A sad indication of how far right Obama has gone,

[MadHound]

I decided to tune in a few minutes ago to see how badly Limbaugh was gloating.

He came out and stated that he too stands behind Obama's scolding lecture yesterday.

Oh boy, Limbaugh and Obama are now in agreement.

What a sad statement of where this administration has gone, and where it is headed.

[polichick]

1. That should make the president's day - an immoral bully likes him. nt

[molly77]

85. And Rupert Murdoch threw a fund raiser for hillary

Instead of jumping on the "I hate Obama bandwagon"...let's look at the infrastructure. States and municipalities are beginning to show the rot in empty retirement accounts. It is the corporations and banks who are running the world. Why not draw all money out of banks and stop shopping . They have stolen from US, why support them? Obama is a distraction.

[Peregrine Took]

2. How ironic. Makes me sick, frankly. How I once admired this guy. ugh!! n/t

[ChairmanAgnostic]

75. When did you admire Rush? And for what?

[FedUp_Queer]

78. I have a feeling he meant Obama. (Maybe I just don't get satire.)

[ChairmanAgnostic]

81. mine was a wry, deliberate, nay, willful misreading.

I happened upon Rush recently, when I had to switch Ed from FM to AM to keep listening. Yikes. People actually listen to him? That is scary.

[Can of Whoop-ass]

103. My oh my

how shallow Dems have gotten!

[Warpy]

3. Anyone who expected him to be any sort of a leftist

simply didn't do his homework.

I knew what he was during the primary, which is why I couldn't support him. I didn't support Clinton, either, for the same reason.

I was hoping events would shove him to the left, but that hasn't happened.

We can hope he doesn't run in 2012 or that we can knock him out in the primary with some other corporate hack who has a little more backbone, but as things stand, that's the best we can do.

[uppityperson]

7. Add to that that a broken clock is right twice a day.

[MadHound]

12. You think that Rush was right, and by extension Obama,

If you do, you're sadly mistaken and willing to settle for anything. Don't going playing poker with anybody, you'll lose.

[uppityperson]

14. That was rather a leap to make. Beware jumping to such conclusions and

beware telling me what I think as you are wrong.

[MadHound]

15. Then perhaps you can be a little less cryptic than simply saying

A broken clock is right twice a day. Perhaps you can flesh this out a bit further so we can all get in on what your conclusion is.

[uppityperson]

16. No thanks.

If you are willing to make those nasty accusations based on an assumption rather than simply asking me to clarify, I doubt you want to take time to consider what I have to say. Lots of other places/people to fight with and insult here today. Bye.

[Divernan]

60. I very kindly ask you to explain what you meant,

because I didn't understand it either.

[uppityperson]

95. Here...and thank you for being civil, asking for clarification

As Wednesdays put it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9724297&mesg_id=9732692
"a rare coinciding of agreement," not that Limbaugh and/or Obama were right. Sort of like saying, "The planets must be in alignment today" or "Hell has just froze over."

I have jumped on people before, finally learning to ask for clarification especially when it could be taken in a negative way that was unusual for that poster. Thank you.

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[uppityperson]

19. another person who would rather jump to a conclusion and insult than ask for clarification

Congratulations.

[liberation]

63. You have been asked for a clarification multiple times...

... and yet provided none.

premature congratulation, perhaps?

[uppityperson]

94. Maybe because I was out having a life rather than hanging out on DU?

As Wednesdays put it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=9724297&mesg_id=9732692
"a rare coinciding of agreement," not that Limbaugh and/or Obama were right. Sort of like saying, "The planets must be in alignment today" or "Hell has just froze over."

[Occulus]

52. Clarify, please.

Your statement could be taken a number of ways.

[Wednesdays]

87. I thought Uppity was clear, and I don't understand the bashing going on

From the get-go, I understood the "broken clock" analogy to mean "a rare coinciding of agreement," not that Limbaugh and/or Obama were right.

Sort of like saying, "The planets must be in alignment today" or "Hell has just froze over."

[sabrina 1]

88. I can see Julian Assange from my computer desk. 16th row

but I think he's the 28th from the left!

That is a great picture :rofl:

[SocialistLez]

58. +1

If someone is backed by the Big Machine (DLCC and the like), don't expect them to be a leftist.

[bowens43]

69. as soon as you say 'leftist'

you lose all credibility.

[tomp]

73. Are you ruling out a third party challenge on a practical or theoretical basis? nt

[glitch]

98. We expected a Centrist. We got a Rightist.

Disabling Social Security, expanding aggressive wars, continuing rendition and not restoring Habeas Corpus is NOT Centrist.

[keepCAblue]

102. Ditto, Warpy. Obama was / is a DLC'er from the get go. ...

...And we all know that the DLC is the Republican wing of the Democratic Party. Naming Rahm as his very first appointment should have given people a clue. Obama is only doing what his DLC puppet masters are telling him to do.

[lark]

104. A lot of us pointed this out at the time

but the Obamtrons onboard here just flamed us out with their stary eyed refusal to face reality. Still happening some, but most people have seen past the stars and what they are seeing isn't pretty and there's progressive about it.

[LWolf]

143. True for me as well.

I have to say, though, that he's exceeded my unhappy expectations. :(

[progressoid]

4. See? It was worth it.

Now he'll get more support from the right in the future. Heck, maybe even their votes in his re-election bid. :eyes:

[BuelahWitch]

11. "You like me! You really like me!"

[Javaman]

84. Dang, I have been trying to remember where that quote was from forever. thanks! lol nt

[BuelahWitch]

5. Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll put him on the Republican ticket

Then we can run someone else...

[MissDeeds]

35. Good one

He may as well declare he's switched parties since he's more concerned with pleasing their base than ours.

[dreamnightwind]

40. Good thinking

Actually we should run a stealth liberal on the Republican ticket! What's Colbert up to?

[True_Blue]

49. LOL!

:rofl:

[bowens43]

70. maybe a Palin Obama ticket? nt

[bullwinkle428]

6. Counting the days until we see these two on a golf course together...

K&R.

[liberation]

64. I heard Poppy Bush's golf entourage has an opening...

... and their outings are legendary, or so Clinton claims.

Maybe papa Bush can share with him some first hand stories from his hero, Reagan.

[FedUp_Queer]

79. And how his daddy collaborated with the NAZIs

or how his son tortured, lied us into war or put the second to last nail in the coffin of the middle class.

[AndrewP]

8. wow

:puke:

[somone]

9. I'm sure Rush will fill stadiums for him in 2012

[harun]

10. Maybe send him some of his 2 million dollar a year tax cut.

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[Mimosa]

54. It is all about the money, I guess.

The rich do love their money.

[harun]

89. I like money too but I wouldn't mind if they let my cut expire to

pressure a better deal.

[delightfulstar]

17. Watch Beck jump on the bandwagon now, too...

If that happens, I'll eat my hat. No joke.

[ProudDad]

30. It might -- Beck gets over $1,200,000 per year out of Obama's deal (n/t)

[thanks_imjustlurking]

20. Says it all. nt

[donco6]

21. kick n/t

[Catherina]

22. Where he went, I will not follow. n/t

[senseandsensibility]

23. I thought the screamers like rushy pretended to hate

Obama and call everything he did socialist even thought they know he's anything but. I thought they did it on purpose to scew media coverage to the right. Guess it was just too hard to hide the glee this time.

[nxylas]

77. It's in their strategic interests to make nice at this point

See, if they started screaming about how he's a Kenyan Muslin Socialist after he's just given them everything they want, there's always a possibility, however faint, that he might finally wake up and actually start fighting, figuring that he may as well get hung for a sheep as for a lamb. This way, he can convince himself that he has finally achieved the Holy Grail of Bipartisanship.

[Occam Bandage]

24. Limbaugh, of course, wishes to exacerbate the gap between liberals and the President.

Bizarrely, it seems the President wishes to do so as well.

[Jed28]

44. Divide and conquer?

Find where the divisions are in the group that you are opposing and drive the wedge. Rush knows that the base feels betrayed by Obama.

The bottom line for me at this point is that it is up to Congress and the Senate to accept or reject the compromise Obama has put before them. The Senate had the chance to pass the proposal that ended tax cuts for those making over $250,000, and extending the tax cuts for the middle class. It failed because not enough Democratic Senators supported it. If the Democrats find enough votes to kill the current proposal in the Senate, the fight begins. When the fighting starts, will the base show up?

[lark]

105. You actually stated the problem

"Dems in the Senate" - where are the real Dems in the Senate? I see a lot of corporatist wearing Dem clothing but almost always voting with the Repugs, their true soul mates. Dems includes Lieberman, Ben Nelson & Max Bacchus who are 100% Repug shills and rarely vote with true Dems these days.

[BrklynLiberal]

25. +1000

[Metta]

26. "If we don't change direction, we'll end up where we're heading."

Chinese saying.

[McCamy Taylor]

34. Scary!

[burrowowl]

59. Yup!

[Clear Blue Sky]

27. Triangulation. His reelection prospects over principle...

[liberation]

65. Principles are a bad thing now...

... that was the talking point for the past couple of days from the DLC contingent.

It is surreal...

[MindandSoul]

28. If that is not a wake up call for the President. . .he is gone for ever!

[ProudDad]

29. Rush should like it -- he's getting over $1,500,000 bucks a year from Obama's cave-in (n/t)

[ProSense]

31. How do you know that Rush is being genuine?

Trust him?

[Enthusiast]

74. We know which side Rush is on.

We are clear on that.

[tomm2thumbs]

32. When Obama scolds the Democrats, he scolds his former Senator-self, who I faintly remember

you know - the guy who had principles and seemed to be willing to stand up for them

[McCamy Taylor]

33. OMG! Obama is getting bipartisan with Rush! Will he dump Biden and draft Palin in 2012?

Stranger things have already happened.

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[defendandprotect]

37. You're suggesting that our criticism of Obama is the same as Limbaugh's criticism of Obama?

Limbaugh pushes Obama to the right -- and today praises him for it --

Critics here criticize Obama for his mores to the right -- and do not praise him for it!!

:eyes:

[JTFrog]

42. Nope, I'm suggesting that each goes to such extremes that it's hard to tell the difference. n/t

[liberation]

66. So technically it is a "yes"

you're implying that both, criticism from the left and Rush's vitriol are the same.

Is intellectual honesty so hard for some of you to handle?

[MadHound]

86. So wanting Obama to fight for issues that the vast majority of the public wants

Is now going to extremes? Wow, OK.

[JTFrog]

91. I've seen both sides calling for his impeachment. Even here.

So yea... fucking extreme.

[defendandprotect]

117. I haven't seen anyone on the left calling for Obama's impeachment ....

I may have missed it --

I've certainly said that Obama should be pressed to announce he will

not stand for election in 2012 --

and I see nothing extreme in that --

unless you seriously think that there's some law against an incumbent

being challenged by members of his own party?

[JTFrog]

119. As I said, again very clearly, it has even been called for here on DU.

Those types of posts get deleted. Rightfully so.

Yes, asking him to announce he won't stand for election in 2012 is fucking extreme. You not admitting such doesn't make it any less so.

And again, you make zero sense with the last part of your post.

[defendandprotect]

126. Well, we'll of course take your word for that ....

though some might think that's extreme -- :eyes:

As I've said, I haven't seen it --

Now, I note you've found another extreme -- the idea that an incumbent

might have a challenger.

And again, you make zero sense with the last part of your post.

And, again, I'll ask you ... do you think there is some kind of law against

an incumbent being challenged by a member of his own party?

What do you base your reaction on?

[JTFrog]

127. What fucking reaction are you talking about?

Why are you making stuff up?

You are still making zero sense.

[defendandprotect]

133. As they say ... "You can't wake up a man pretending to be asleep" ...

:rofl:

Yes -- you will now be on IGNORE --

[JTFrog]

135. Good.

No more trying to decipher your made up incoherent bullshit.

[defendandprotect]

110. And given the "news" about all of Obama's back room deals with GOP ...

and corporates -- Big Pharma -- private H/C industry --

attacks on Social Security, you seriously think that liberals have been

dealing in extremes?

Rather I think Obama is dealing in extremes --

Or did you really expect a Democrat to attack Social Securit -- and NOT

delivery MEDICARE FOR ALL?

:eyes:

[JTFrog]

113. Seriously? Yes I think I've made myself clear.

The vocal minority have definitely been dealing in extremes.

The rest of us liberals will be working to get Obama re-elected in 2012.

[defendandprotect]

114. Obama attacking Social Security isn't an "extreme" for a Democrat? ....

Just want to be clear on that --

[JTFrog]

115. You are definitely making my point.

Obama is not "attacking" Social Security.

Just want to be clear on that.

[defendandprotect]

116. Many of us, I think, would disagree with you on Obama and his agenda --

But, we do come to the "shoe being on the other foot" dilemma because

I feel you are also making my point --

in that you are projecting extremes onto others while presenting

them yourself.

Glad you made yourself clear --

Thanks --

[JTFrog]

118. That didn't make a bit of sense.

No surprises there.

[defendandprotect]

128. I don't expect what I'm saying to you to make any sense to you ....

which is why you're close to ignore --

the only reason that hasn't happened yet is because your attempts at

attacking well-known liberal commentators seems to be something that

I've seen you doing here at DU before -- seems quite familiar.

[JTFrog]

129. Put me on ignore if you must.

You are pretty much incoherent anyway.

:shrug:

[defendandprotect]

111. dupe

[defendandprotect]

112. dupe

[LWolf]

144. Only for those who are selectively blind and deaf. nt

[JTFrog]

147. LOL.

How clever.

Did you write that all by yourself or did you answer the rally call?

:rofl:

[laughingliberal]

45. Really? Limbaugh thinks the President is a socialist who hates white people. I've seen no one here

who has said that. Criticism from the left is as far from Limbaugh's beliefs as one could get.

[JTFrog]

47. Nope with both sides going to such extremes, they tend to meet up at some point.

And the Limbaughs and Becks are basking in the "criticism from the left". And the "professional left", strangely enough made up of mostly self proclaimed current or past conservatives or republicans, are making bank in finding this common "angry" ground.

[laughingliberal]

50. Pretzel logic.

What concern is it to me what lunatics like Beck and Limbaugh say?

[liberation]

67. It should be of upmost concern to you...

... otherwise the false analogy does not quite work ;-)

[Selatius]

53. Sorry, but I don't agree. One side is driven by racism. nt

[lark]

106. Where

the fuck did you get that "professional left" is made up of past conservatives? The most conservative remarks I see here are those from people blindly supporting Obama because of the "D" in front of his name. I think "professional left" in Gibbs & Obama speak is anyone who has asked him to live up to his campaign promises and stop the slide of the working class in this country. Most of the people on this board are probably in his definition of professional left since we post on a left wing board.

Yes, I was conservative up until I was 12 years of age - raised in a very red area with Republican parents. I had a US Government teacher who was a big lefty, started sharing ideas that were totally new to me, made me think for myself and I have been a progressive ever since. Somehow I don't think that's what you are talking about, although the so called fact of your statement is still very qustionable to me.

[JTFrog]

108. Let's start with a couple of DU heroes Cenk and Ed...

Throw in your bloggers like Ariana and you start to get the jist of what I'm talking about.

If you actually think anyone who posts on DU is part of the "professional left" you are sorely mistaken. I know many here tried to throw themselves into that category for the convenience of drumming up one more thing to express poutrage over, but they have absolutely zero to do with the "professional left" media and bloggers that the Obama administration addressed.

[defendandprotect]

122. Actually, Cenk and Ed Schultz are consistently liberal in their views ....

and I can only guess that it is really because of those liberal views which

result in their criticism of Obama that you are trying to lash out at them.

Granted none of these people are favorites of the DLC-corporate wing of the

Democratic Party -- but that's because they call attention to the DLC acting

in its own corporate self-interests.

[JTFrog]

124. I was only pointing out the fact that they all have conservative/republican backgrounds.

I can only imagine you are lashing out at me because you don't like facts.

[defendandprotect]

130. No you're not ... you're trying to use it to devalue their criticism of Obama ....

We all know these people are liberals and making liberal observations --

And, intersting how sensitive you are to criticism of your methods --

though it is you who have "lashed" out at these liberals in your earlier posts.

When you find some "facts" that aren't attempted smears, be sure to post them.

[JTFrog]

131. Yea, you have to be pretty liberal to vote for Bush.

I'll post what and whenever I damn well please.

Thanks-

[defendandprotect]

136. 300,000 "Democrats" in Florida voted for Bush ...

and 28 million expected voters did not come out to vote in 2010 --

due to Obama's "failures" re the economy and health care --

I'm all for you posting whatever you damn well please --

glad to see it in the open.

[JTFrog]

137. You know it's against the rules to tell someone you put them on ignore and then not do it.

Now I have to try to decipher more incoherent bullshit.

*sigh*

[defendandprotect]

120. The only extremes I see are in your projecting your own

extreme attitudes onto others --

If the right wing were standing up to Limbaugh and Beck, I'm sure we'll all be

"basking" in that good news!

If Obama were standing up to the radical right rather than making deals with them

we'd certainly be "basking" over that, as well!

The White House's "professional left" that they are repeatedly striking out against

are simply those liberals calling them out for their pro-corporate agenda -- something

they evidently think they're hiding.

And wasn't it you who was just recently trying to smear Huffington for her Republican

background? May be mistaken but remember that little go-around and sounds quite familiar!


:eyes:

[JTFrog]

121. I'm beginning to think you have no idea what the word extreme means.

And the closing of each of your posts to me just get more and more bizarre.

[defendandprotect]

123. Obviously, only you know what an "extreme" is ... the rest of us unqualified to judge ...

:rofl:

[JTFrog]

125. Well we can finally agree on something. n/t

[defendandprotect]

132. Obviously, only you know what an "extreme" is ... the rest of us are unqualified to judge ...

Oops! guess you need one of these --


:sarcasm:

[JTFrog]

134. No thanks. n/t

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[DeSwiss]

38. K&R

Does it hurt yet?

To anyone who is paying attention, things look doomed. Fortunately for American capitalism, nobody is paying attention. They never have. Even given the unemployment numbers, foreclosures and bankruptcies, most Americans are still not feeling enough pain yet to demand change. Not that they will. Demand change, I mean. We haven't the slightest idea of any other options, outside those provided by the corporate managed state. So in a chorus well-schooled by the media the public demands "reform," of the present system, the systemic pathogenic system based on exploitation of the many by the few, the one presently eating our society from the inside out. How do you reform that?

We are clueless, and the state sees to it that we stay that way. Take the price of gas, about which Americans are obsessive. In one way or another, petroleum is the subject of much news coverage, nearly as much as pissing matches between egomaniacs in Hollywood or on Capitol Hill. So one might think that by now Americans would have a realistic grasp of the petroleum business and things like oil and gasoline prices.

Hah, think again! This is America, this is Strawberry Fields, where nothing is real and the skies are not cloudy all day. We're stewed in a consumer hallucination called the American Dream and riding a digital virtual money economy nobody can even prove exists.

http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2010/07/waltzing.html">Joe Bageant, "Waltzing at the Doomsday Ball"

[Oilwellian]

39. Excellent point

K&R

[amborin]

41. K&R

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[laughingliberal]

46. K & R nt

[Lord Magus]

48. Gee, Rush Bimbo is trying to divide the left with false statements.

Never seen that before.

[w4rma]

57. Sorry. Obama already beat him on the false statements and false promises. (nt)

[liberation]

68. Dividing the left?

I though the problem was that the left was rather united in their lack of willingness to lockstep with the center-right wing of the Dem party (i.e. the DLC, Obama, et al)

[mzmolly]

97. Nope. And Jane Hamsire and other third party supporters are helping. Never seen that before

either. :crazy:

[StarsInHerHair]

51. recc'd up to 153

sad but true

[BetsysGhost]

93. Love your name!

Never heard of Big Tomato Ca though. :hi:

[StarsInHerHair]

109. Capitol

nt & thanks

[farmboxer]

55. Obama wants to please Republicans

and does not care about Dems. Looks like Social Security will be cut as well.

[truedelphi]

56. hell yeah. By cutting back what the employers pay in by two percent,

And combining that drop in paid in funds with the fact that many Americans are no longer working, people in Congress will be standing up with charts showing how Social Security is even more insolvent. (It isn't, but that's not how they will spin it.)

[Divernan]

61. Obama's paving the way to push for privitization.

Which will rake in billions for his private investment/big banker sponsors.

[liberation]

62. Bipartisanship achieved....

... Hooray! Finally Obama got the validation from his abusers he so desperately craved. It's gonna be the best Christmas ever!

[Hoyt]

71. I think it is more that Limbaugh, Beck, etc., enjoy former supporters turning on Obama.

So we are going to hear of lot of this kind of thing. It's not unlike when some right wingers turned on the sorry SOB bush.

This "turning on Obama" is going to "cost" us in many ways.

[MadHound]

80. Well, Obama needs no help from Limbaugh,

Obama is doing a great job of getting his former supporters to turn on him all by his lonesome.

[Hoyt]

99. People seem a bit quick to turn on him in my opinion.

And it has -- and will -- cost all of us.

[lark]

107. Disagree, he turned his back on us from the get go

He not only turned his back, he trashes us constantly because we aren't happy with his no spine, Repug pandering ways. And yes, he will pay dearly because most everyone who was passionate about him now has no motivation to work or donate to him anymore. If he thinks the Repugs will vote for him, that just shows how delusional he really is. Unless the country's economy comes roaring back, which isn't going to happen, or Palin is the Repug nominee, he has extremely little chance of winning. He did this to himself by his own actions. People don't want to vote for someone with no backbone and he has yet to exhibit ANY evidence of owning one. Makes Clinton look totally resolute in comparison, and that's sad.

[Enthusiast]

72. K&R. The word is inexcusable.

This time it is.

[Vinca]

76. Given the kind of loot Rush hauls in as a hate merchant,

he'll probably be sending Obama roses and champagne.

[xchrom]

82. i'm finding some humor in this and i hope it's because the white house

is feeling a little nauseous when news of this got to the oval office.

[muffin1]

83. K&R n/t

[The Backlash Cometh]

90. Let's take these bitches down!

Oh, sorry. I'm watching the New guy.

[harun]

92. They have surrendered to the GOP world view.

[mzmolly]

96. Or .. .a sad indication of how far off the deep end DU has gone. When "we" agree

with Limbaugh, it's apparent to many that "we're" being played. Rush also told "us" that we should be outraged at the President over the fact that he didn't have the 60 votes in the Senate to pass the middle class tax cut.

I see some here are falling in line. Divide and conquer! Go Rush!

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[Goldstein1984]

101. Limbaugh and Obama

Is it End Times?

[TheKentuckian]

138. Just a day in the neighborhood.

[mstinamotorcity]

139. Rush Limpdick

is NOT in agreement with our President!!! Rush gets to keep his healthy tax cut. Rush benefits Rush.He more than got a hefty bonus to say he agrees with the President because you know that the Conservatives know that will ANGER the DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!!So they will continue to bash the President. By doing little shit like that. So that people will continue to dis-respect him and the office. I wonder why no one got mad when the Democratic Party had nothing to say and let the repugs fill every air wave they could about taxes going up. From Fred Thompson to Chuck Norris.Now everyone is ANGRY. What will WE be in January????

[WinkyDink]

140. It's the drugs.

[seabeyond]

142. teabaggers dont agree with obama and limbaugh, so what does that say? nt

[myrna minx]

145. That we are living in some very strange times.

[seabeyond]

146. yes. i hate when someone ignores part of the equation to get the answer they want.

but yes, you are right.

we have dems fighting with pres which will be interesting to see what happens dems punching it out.

we have a group of repugs woking with pres, i feel, because they drew a line and they know they have to wiggle out of denying UI.

then you have teabaggers that hate every piece. the wealthy increase. the middle increase. and UI

[bigwillq]

148. Kick

:thumbsup:

[blindpig]

149. He didn't go anywhere..

except in the minds of his disposable supporters.

...Turn out the lights, the Party's over.You say they are protesting, methinks they doth protest too much. You'll see, it'll be just like health care.