CNN breaking news House Democrats defy Obama.

[Swede]

Won't take up tax cut deal in current form.

[Skink]

1. democrats should make this Obamas waterloo.

[TwilightGardener]

6. Actually, they all could have just come up with a great tax deal a long time ago.

[Sherman A1]

27. Agreed

unfortunately pretty much everyone sat on their hands.

[TwilightGardener]

32. Yep--all this wasted time and bad press for Democrats and the Prez...for nothing.

And watch how the media will seize on "DEMS IN DISARRAY!! COMPLETELY DIVIDED!!11!"

[Sherman A1]

34. Maybe

they will screw around enough that they will just expire.

[FarCenter]

36. It's possible, but then the next congress will pass the compromise in January retroactively

The House Democrats are irrelevant.

Obama did the compromise with the next Congress, not this one.

[bvar22]

45. Won't the Republicans need 60 votes too?

...or is THAT just for "Democrats"?

[FarCenter]

51. The compromise was reached with the Senate -- which is why the House Dems are miffed

It will have 60 votes in either this Senate or the next.

[Bandit]

56. Believe me the Republicans will have their sixty votes

It isn't just Obama that agrees with the Republicans.. There are plenty of Democrats that will stand shoulder to shoulder with the Republicans..

[XanaDUer]

47. Yes

nt.

[donheld]

65. Wouldn't it have just died in the Senate like everything else?

[ooglymoogly]

67. Yeah, with 0 holding the Dem party purse strings on their campaign financing

and working against them in back rooms; A good Democratic agreement was just not in the cards and the Public Option is just the most obvious proof. It has now come to a head where congress is ready to say fuck you mr. 0 you have shafted us for too long; you have lost us too many elections, so fuck off.

[JuniperLea]

15. Oh yeah... eating our own is so helpful... eom

[Proud Liberal Dem]

39. Sure, why not?

Let's tear ourselves apart over this and bring the President down with us. Great plan!

:sarcasm:

[dionysus]

57. when you're gleefully quoting repukes in your obsession to defeat obama, something's just wrong...

[TwilightGardener]

2. Meh, they'll work it out.

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[okieinpain]

10. hey, this would make a great t-shirt. I said it first. n/t.

[Dawgs]

4. Woohoo!!

Although, I'll have to see it to believe it.

[Marr]

5. Maybe this will convince Obama to reach accross the aisle, and talk to Democrats.

[lame54]

8. nice one

[jillan]

13. +1

[elocs]

14. If you need to reach across the aisle it indicates you are on the wrong side of the aisle. n/t

[Supersedeas]

18. James Clyborn seemed genuinely shocked that the Estate Tax bene was crammed into the compromise

[Individualist]

21. Hear, hear!

:thumbsup:

[City Lights]

23. !

:thumbsup:

[mmonk]

28. Yep. Better than closed door deals with Republicans.

[L0oniX]

29. K & R

[Catherina]

38. +1 n/t

[Jester Messiah]

40. *chuckle* [nt]

[myrna minx]

44. Uff Da. Too sad that it's true. n/t

[Edweird]

46. +1

[Jamastiene]

49. One can hope.

Good observation.

[Liberalynn]

50. He's too busy with his new pals too talk to Democrats

He dosen't like us anymore.

[Raksha]

54. Good one!

[Spike from MN]

58. LOL!

:thumbsup:

[Spike from MN]

61. LOL!

:rofl:

[Smashcut]

62. Spot on!

:rofl:

[Canuckistanian]

64. +1

Glad you said it.

[Cant trust em]

7. Good for them. nt

[Autumn]

9. Allright, now this is getting good

:popcorn:

[kentuck]

11. No news here.

It's all show. They still have enough "moderates" to go along with the Repubs to keep the taxcuts alive.

[wtmusic]

17. I'd like to think this was engineered to give Obama an exit strategy

from The Compromise.

That would have shown a lot of leadership and foresight, however.

[Cant trust em]

20. I think that more likely we've stumbled into an opportunity. nt

[wtmusic]

30. Let's hope Obama is bold enough to seize it. nt

[Cant trust em]

35. I'm not sure how he can seize it without having it seem like he was in on it from the beginning.

I'm not really sure what the next steps are in this strategy.

[Dawgs]

22. It's no news that Obama tax cuts for the rich will only get support from Republicans and Blue Dogs?

:shrug:

[quinnox]

12. Wow, surprise to me

AWESOME !!!!!!!!!!

HOUSE DEMS SHOW THEY HAVE PRINCIPLES??????!!!!!!!!

[arcane1]

16. Good, it's about time!

We wouldn't even have a "deal" to discuss if congress had taken care of this nonsense before the election!

[rucky]

19. Props to Pelosi for this one!

[jtown1123]

24. We need to Pressure the Senate NOW

[somone]

25. Go, Nancy!

[bigtree]

26. his proposal is called a 'framework'

They need to stop the grandstanding and get on with it.

[frazzled]

31. They wouldn't take it up in the fall, before elections, either

When they could have gone into more than 200 congressional districts nationwide and made their case. Obama did it, in September, in Ohio, using his bully pulpit they said he didn't use (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2010/09/08/remarks-president-economy-parma-ohio). But members of the House didn't want to deal with the issue then: perhaps because they didn't want to offend their wealthy contributors or have Republicans running ads calling them "tax raisers."

So they punted. And at the very 11th hour, knowing full well the Senate would not pass their "clean" version of the bill, made a symbolic last-minute stand, wanting to keep their own asses wiped.

Do they really care about what happens to middle-class families and the unemployed? Or do they just want to put on a facade before they lose total control in a few weeks?

I'm more pissed right now at Congress than I am at Obama. What is their alternative plan? They won't say.

[JoePhilly]

52. +1000

[Fruittree]

55. Exactly - why everyone but Obama

gets a pass on this site I don't understand..Why is it a positive to risk people losing their unemployment or make taxes even more complicated than they are?

[FarCenter]

33. Non-binding voice vote with not all of the caucus present won't mean a thing

Drama only.

House Democrats Reject Obama Tax Cut Deal In Non-Binding Vote, Demand Changes
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/09/house-democrats-tax-cuts_n_794404.html

[onenote]

59. Delete wrong place.

[Tatiana]

37. Barney Frank thought it was coming to the floor, but I guess Pelosi and Hoyer ixnayed it.

WOW! I'm pleasantly surprised.

Let's see if the estate tax and tax cuts for the wealthy can be cut out. At this point, I'd even be in favor of Chuck Shumer's proposal which would raise the tax breaks up to those making $1,000,000 or less with the UI extension.

[FarCenter]

43. NBC's Chuck Todd reports that House leaders still intend to bring the tax bill up for a vote

NBC's Chuck Todd reports that House leaders still intend to bring the tax bill up for a vote as long as the Senate passes the legislation.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/12/09/5617540-house-dem-caucus-votes-to-reject-tax-compromise

[Robyn66]

41. Where were the democrats

when it came to passing the version without the tax cuts for the rich the weekend before. Obama didnt have the votes to pass it. Congress need to look in the mirror before it puts it all on the president!

[young but wise]

42. Bam. Agreed

[goforit]

48. So long Obama!! Ya not going to be re-elected.

[shireen]

53. THANK YOU, DEMS!!!

I don't know where this will lead, but you're trying to do the right thing. I really appreciate that.

[onenote]

60. Profiles in Courage. Not.

A voice vote. No one on the record. No one committed on anything.

But some here still think this was some grand gesture of defiance.

Hardly.

[Swamp Rat]

63. GOOD!!

[Lorien]

66. Bravo!!

:applause: