Holy F*CK-ALL. Part 2: "The Obama/Republican tax deal in picture form"

[Hissyspit]

Here is my post from last August: "Holy F*CK-ALL. Republicans Have NO Shame. Look At This Graphic:" http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=8937370

Now we get this post from DKos:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2010/12/9/927496/-The-Obama-Republican-tax-deal-in-picture-form

The Obama/Republican tax deal in picture form
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by Joan McCarter

Thu Dec 09, 2010 at 09:30:05 PM EST

Remember this graph from last summer, when we all started talking about the tax cut expiration?

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Here's an update from Ezra, with the Obama/Republican deal added in.

Obama's got 156 million people splitting $214 billion in tax cuts and benefits. The GOP's got 4 million people splitting $133 billion in tax cuts. On a per-person level, the GOP's tax cuts are much larger. An individual billionaire is getting a far better deal than an individual unemployed American. And that's galling. The problem is that to take the money from the billionaire means to also take the money from the unemployed individual. Actually, taking the money from the billionaire means taking the money from a lot of unemployed Americans.

And this is what it looks like:



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All for making that big black ball at the bottom of Ezra's chart a few degrees bigger.

[onehandle]

1. Prepare for a lot of bridge collapses over the next decade and beyond. nt

[katnapped]

23. Rich people use private jets and helicopters

"We don't need no steenkin roads!"

[somone]

2. Picture worth a thousand words

That graph deserves much more publicity than it's getting

[Hissyspit]

7. Forgot to give Ezra Klein credit for the graphic:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2010/12/why_liberals_dont_like_the_tax.html

[sakabatou]

3. *headdesk*

[JDPriestly]

4. And Social Security is out the window as are student and small business

loans -- not right away of course, but within the next ten years.

The Obama "compromise" is the real death panel for seniors. The Republicans knew they could get it one way or another.

[chill_wind]

5. K & R n/t

[Hannah Bell]

6. wow. every ball is bigger, but the biggest three are particularly striking.

especially when you consider that the rest are basically cuts in social security taxes, which will harm the program.

[Lorien]

8. Good Lord. They'll bankrupt the Nation and plung us into a recession/ depression that

will go on for decades. :wow: :grr:

Evil, evil EVIL fuckers!!

[xchrom]

9. recommend - i really didn't need to see that -- but there it is. oy. nt

[AzDar]

10. K & R

:kick:

[Hissyspit]

11. Lunchtime kick.

Don't lose your lunch.

[bigwillq]

12. K and R (nt)

[bigwillq]

13. K and R (nt)

[gratuitous]

14. But, but, but

Po' folks will get almost $20 a month more in lower taxes!

Of course, for the price of that $20, they will have to save more toward their own retirement, make their beater car run on shoddy roads for another couple of years, send their kids to crumbling schools, and take their chances that the food they buy at the supermarket won't poison them.

But . . . Twenty bucks! A month!

[ProudDad]

18. And the POOREST of us get a tax increase!

And they get more ammunition to use to destroy Social Security and Medicare in the name of "deficit reduction"...

And the wars go on and on and on...

[femrap]

26. Will that $20 be what should

be going into one's Social Security account?

[femrap]

27. Will that $20 be what should

be going into one's Social Security account?

[Poboy]

15. Thanks Obama!

:nuke:

[donco6]

16. Here's the view they'd rather you see:

This is the one the White House is sending round. You'll see it a lot. Instead of showing benefits to people, it shows the impact to the overall budget. Golly, look at what those poor rich people got! We should give them more.

[ProudDad]

19. And the "payroll tax holiday"

is another weapon to use against Social Security!

And "Equipment Expensing" belongs on the RIGHT HAND COLUMN -- it's a give-away to giant corporations...

And most of the "Renewable Energy Grants" will probably be loan guarantees for nuclear...

And nearly all of the "blue stuff" is only for 1 year while the rest kicks the can into a republican House AND Senate in 2012...

And the wars will cost $3 Trillion in the next 2 years...there's where the REAL deficit lives...

[nashville_brook]

17. b/c $103,000 isn't enough. rich folks need $140,000 to feel like they're appreciated.

[BzaDem]

20. That is awful. However, it's not quite as bad as that, since there are many more middle class people

than rich people.

So while the amount going to rich people is orders of magnitude more than the amount going to an individual poor or middle class person, the TOTAL amount going to non-rich people in this bill is several times the amount of money going to rich people.

So person by person, it is disgusting (which is Obama doesn't want it as a purely policy matter). But overall, given that many times the amount of money is going for poor/middle class stimulus (and unemployment benefits for 13 months, etc), Obama accepted the money for the rich in exchange.

[ProudDad]

21. The "rich"

you mean the fuckers who have gotten the benefit of ALL OF THE PRODUCTIVITY GAINS over the last 35 years...

While the now-mythical "middle class" got ZIP!??!!

And the poor got poorer???

And now more cash shoveled into their pockets...?!?!?!

Amazing capitulation! :puke:


IT'S TIME TO GET OURS BACK! The rich fucks have stolen our Commons for their own short-term gain...

Fuck 'em! AND THEIR ENABLERS AND FELLOW TRAVELERS...

[BzaDem]

22. Yes, the rich.

You are indeed correct that they have gotten the benefit of the productivity gains over the past decades, while the middle class did not. (Much of this also has to do with healthcare costs rising faster than wages, which means wages were kept down, but an equally blameworthy factor was the ridiculous Bush tax cuts.)

I have no desire to see the rich get one more penny. I want a much more progressive tax system.

I'm just saying that in terms of actual help, this bill will affect the lives of the poor/middle class FAR more than the rich would be hurt if the bill failed. The rich would EASILY handle a 4.6% tax increase -- they probably wouldn't even know about it until they talked with their accountant in March, and even then it probably wouldn't affect them at all.

On the other hand, the middle class losing thousands per family (mainly in tax credits), the unemployed losing benefits, etc would be FAR more affected if the bill failed.

[ProudDad]

24. Which is why the democrats

have just totally fucked up over the last 2 years when they had the largest "mandate" and advantage since 1964...

They should have listened to George Lakoff...

But instead they listened to Summers(-Bankster) and Emanuel(-DLC) and the corporate capitalist masters who paid to get them elected...

"If voting could change anything, they'd make it illegal."

[gristy]

25. Don't be too sure

If ever there was a need for numbers, this is it. One needs to have or see them to confirm what you say is true, and to what extent it is true.