Pelosi has the power to deny a floor vote

[jorae28]

Mrs. Pelosi has the power to deny a floor vote and hand the
let the Bush Tax Breaks die a natural death...

EMAIL...http://www.speaker.gov/contact/

TELL HER TO KILL THE BILL

Contact Us
Office of the Speaker
[phone]

Let's give republicans a reason to hate her...

[BzaDem]

1. Why? So Boehner can approve the tax deal in January, except without all of Obama's provisions? n/t

[polmaven]

15. Apparently!

What makes people think that Democrats will get what we want with a republican led House is beyond me!

[True_Blue]

20. The GOP may control the House

but they can't get anything passed without the Dems in the Senate.

[Historic NY]

2. Its not passing muster in the Senate.

[slackmaster]

3. On whom will working middle-class people blame the reduction in their take-home pay in January...

...if all of the tax cuts are allowed to expire?

How about unemployed people? Who will they blame when extended benefits cease?

[harun]

4. If who people blame determines what we do, then nothing constructive would ever get done.

[True_Blue]

22. Exactly! n/t

[jorae28]

6. It's a big game...

We let ALL THE tax cuts go....

The breaks for the people under $250,000 amounted to about $400 a year according to a friend of mine whose husband made $82,000 a year...

But the advantages to have more money in the till from all sides is a playing card for the Unemployment to become a more reliable safety net.

We have been kicked around toooo long....We need a lot of reform and unless we stop and demand one item at a time and stick to our guns, it will be the same old abuse of the blue collar workers.

STICK TOGETHER....AND MOVE THE ENTIRE SYSTEM!!!

[slackmaster]

11. My taxes would go up by about $2,400 per year

I'm single and make only a little more than your friend's husband.

But the advantages to have more money in the till from all sides is a playing card for the Unemployment to become a more reliable safety net.

If my taxes get raised, I'll start sheltering enough in my 401k to offset the increase so the federal "till" won't see any more income from me. I'll leave it that way until the wars are ended in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[Marr]

7. Who the hell will they blame in the near future when this crap is used as the

basis for cutting things like Social Security, since we just "can't afford it"?

[laughingliberal]

17. +1000 nt

[slackmaster]

25. Nobody is going to cut Social Security benefits

You can bet on it.

[Marr]

27. There was a time when it was said we could "bank on" a public option, too.

I've noticed lately that things progress very rapidly from "paranoid speculation" to "pragmatic decision".

[Hannah Bell]

35. Of course they are; one way or another.

[slackmaster]

37. The only way I can see it happening is by not making increases keep up with inflation

That's a very real possibility.

[dgibby]

19. That will very much depend on how the Dems manage the message.

They have the opportunity to educate the public. The question is, do they have the ability? Their track record in message control is abysmal.

[slackmaster]

24. The Republicans will obviously spin it as "Democrats allowed one of the largest tax increases...

...in US history."

It's not factually accurate, of course, but I really don't know how one could present a convincing counter-argument.

[jorae28]

5. We can play the NO game come January

Dear Mrs. Pelosi:

As you well know, most Democrats are against
the Tax Cuts being extended. I think the
entire bill should not come to the floor. I am more
than willing to pay more taxes during this time of need.

You have the power to deny the bill.

Republicans already have a sincere dislike
for your politics, give them a solid reason by
doing this.

We can play the NO game come January if they
dare try to put it back in place. I doubt
they want their name directly attached
to a budget increase. This is a game, and
play it smart...and you will be more than
a foot note in history.

Best of luck to you,

[BzaDem]

8. See, the minority in the House has absolutely no power come January.

And the Senate is on track to pass the tax cut deal on Monday. In January there will be even more Republicans in the Senate. And of course the President would sign, since this is his proposal.

So the only thing Pelosi ACTUALLY has the power to do is make sure unemployment is not extended for 13 months, make sure none of Obama's tax credits for the poor and middle class get through, etc.

[aquart]

10. What is the sunset date?

[BzaDem]

14. Why does the sunset date matter? The point is that Congress will pass a bill MOVING the sunset date.

The Republican House will easily pass it in January. The Senate will easily pass it next week, and again in January if necessary. Obama will obviously sign it, since this is his proposal.

Why do people keep thinking Pelosi has any power whatsoever to end the tax cuts? She can delay it now and get steamrolled over in January, but that's about it.

[Recursion]

18. The minority in the House doesn't have a "No" game

All they can do is vote against a bill; the minority can't keep a bill from coming to the floor.

Why do you think HCR with a public option, DADT repeal, etc. all passed the House? Because the House's rules give much more power to the Speaker over the House than the Senate's rules give to the majority leader over the Senate.

[SidDithers]

31. Good post...nt

Sid

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

9. Done. K&R

[kentuck]

12. She would go down in history..

either as one of the most courageous or as one of the most insane leaders of all time.

[jorae28]

28. Pelosi...down in History

I thought I would appeal to her ego with my email...

it would persuade me to do it...just for the excitement of it all...and doing the right thing!

Dear Mrs. Pelosi:

As you well know, most Democrats are against
the Tax Cuts being extended. I think the
entire bill should not come to the floor. I am more
than willing to pay more taxes during this time of need.

You have the power to deny the bill.

Republicans already have a sincere dislike
for your politics, give them a solid reason by
doing this.

We can play the NO game come January if they
dare try to put it back in place. I doubt
they want their name directly attached
to a budget increase. This is a game, and
play it smart...and you will be more than
a foot note in history.

Best of luck to you,

[letterwriter]

13. Not to be to pessimistic but

Pelosi tends to cave in. Let's hope she doesn't.

[ddeclue]

16. Agree - welcome aboard!

[Waiting For Everyman]

21. Done. Here's what I wrote...

Dear Mme Speaker,
This tax cut bill is an atrocity. Nearly $1 trillion dollars just to get SOME of the unemployed covered for a year? Can't the UE benefits be covered under TARP instead? Please don't let this bill come to the floor for a vote. Continuing the tax cut for the millionaires and billionaires is unacceptable! So is the estate tax cut. And the fica cut will harm SS. Please prevent this, we cannot afford it and it does not do nearly enough good for the cost. Most of it is more pointless rewards for those who caused the problem. Lots of people stand with you on opposing this. I think many Independents would too. Also, the UE extension should be tied to the UE rate, not an arbitrary time limit. That way, it would not come up for another vote until unemployment actually decreases.
Sincere thanks, (My Name)

[freshwest]

33. Good letter

And great sentiments. Best wishes to you too.

[True_Blue]

23. Done. K&R

:kick:

[Gin]

26. called her office....LM saying let them expire....if this rethuglican

deal goes through....it is a trap...and a democratic president has either set the trap or fell into one.

[jorae28]

29. I will call tomorrow...I emailed everyone buy God...

Contact Us
Office of the Speaker

[phone]


Sanders brought up the fact that he is getting 99% approve on his view of killing this bill...

Republicans and Democrats should both be against this debt increaser....Or are they really that shallow?

If you Google "my state reps" you should get a page to put in your zip...and from there you get them all and a link to their emails.


please please please do it

[howaboutme]

30. The Party of Fiscal Responsibility - Democratic Party

It is a gamble but the Democrats could kick the GOP in the bxlls and take the air out of their claims, by standing up tall and saying we are the Party of fiscal responsibility and let the tax cuts expire. It is especially egregious that the Wall Street Goldman financiers are the primary beneficiaries of the tax cut for the rich because they are the wealthiest sector in the USA. They've been pillaging the USA with ill gotten gains for years now, and they were the instrumental in hurting the economy and on the receiving side of trillions in Federal Reserve aid and bailout dollars. Now they want more.

Obama failed to go after their crimes when he needed to. Instead he gave only lip service criticism to their mega bonuses and then they got more. Citi Group has said that they will use their tax losses to eliminate all their taxes in the foreseeable future. These tax losses should have been cleared from their books because they were essentially bankrupt except for help from us.

The Democrats and Obama could have made huge political hay on the backs of a deserving Wall Street but they didn't - why????? Because Wall Street owns them with their money and their donations. It's time they started paying more in taxes to remove the temptation to buy politicians.

[freshwest]

32. Good Idea

But Pelosi has been very quiet lately. This is her last chance, because a lot can be done in a lame duck Congress. Michael Moore urged them to get a lot done, Pelosi has held up many good bills.

I'm not sure why Obama panicked. He described this process as being held hostage by the GOP, doing this compromise in order to save a few temporary programs, especially unemployment benefits. The failure of renewing would have a negative impact on the economy.

Sanders described the sham being pulled off well in the filibuster.

I'm honestly starting to see NWO all over this thing, and you know we don't wanna go there.

[jorae28]

34. Good points...

Hi...

NWO....never thought I'd see the day, but we are right smack in the precession.

[Waiting For Everyman]

36. Welcome, freshwest.

(Thanks for above.) :hi:

You mean like "3502"?

http://daviddegraw.org/2010/09/the-road-to-world-war-iii-the-global-banking-cartel-has-one-card-left-to-play/

[freshwest]

38. I'm Afraid So

And in a way, it makes us understand why those who we might malign and call evil who are not in the elite, but are close enough to see what's in the wind, are acting as they do.

It's not just a failure of their own humanity but what they consider to be the wise thing to do to survive in the face of a catastrophe. They see that things are going into pieces and think there may be an alternative path.

It may all be disinformation; both the fear and the rapture of thinking there is an escape plan may be delusions. We may all be in this to the end, it may really be a war of the worlds or history as we've seen before.

Dr. Michio Kaku, theoretical physicist and co-founder of string field theory, a branch of super-string theory, who has spoken about the three types of extra-terrestrial civilizations and how humanity is being used for this purpose which may ultimately be a good one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmXJyZoaz20

This man is no kook. He knows what's going on in this world, and what we can do to go forward technologically. Where he calls the transformation from type zero to type one. In other words, a one world planetary government is inevitable. But in the meanwhile, how do we survive this transition when we have so many negative things being pushed, so many degradations of the human being and destruction of all that we loved and dreamed of having.

There is an often humiliating journey into one's self to causes on to see one's own responsibility in misery. It leads one to conclusions that are not manufactured by those who have been propagandizing us from cradle to grave and beyond. It means one must may have to forgo the emotional comfort of unity with other human beings for a space of time until one can reunite in common cause again.

Some say these great horrors are necessary to evolve the human race and that the results will be good; others say we will be transformed into something that is not human at all, and will continue to be used for some purpose. That we do not know of.

All I know is that I was brought up to help without expecting it back for my own conscience. Perhaps I've had magical thinking, but I believe attitude is important up a point and we do in some ways if not all, create our own reality, drawing to us those things we focus upon.

That link had some awesome stuff on it and focuses on the monetary aspects of this great change. Interesting 99% video made by DeGraw and musical breaks there. It's still going to have to be a peaceful movement, not with NRA thinking, because these forces don't fear that. Hey, they own the military, check it out.

Independence of every kind of thinking, from the food you eat, the associations you make, how you spend your time are going to be essential to the commons survival. Some may call me a fool, but I believe I am here in this time and space for a reason. Whether I am a connecting point as we all can be, even though my impact is very tiny, that is what I am here for, the love and peace thing-ie. Not the same as it's been sold to us, but that's it with me.

Thanks for the message and I see you're still spreading the holiday cheer with the candle and wreath. Both symbols of hope in the darkness, but we need to recognize the dark in ourselves in what is surrounding us. Sometimes it's not pleasant to point out the monster under the bed or the bogeyman but it gives one a perspective of where we are.

[SoCalDem]

39. But she won't. n/t

[bigtree]

40. She can obviously deny it

. . . but, why would she want to pass this issue off to a republican-led House? The expiration deadlines come and go, and the republican-led House crafts a tax legislation bill that will likely breeze through the Senate using the conservative wing of Democratic senators to make up the margin on cloture. That's not going to be a better bill.