Did yoy hear Bernie Sanders a few minutes ago? He knows

[NNN0LHI]

He said the union autoworkers used to set the gold standard in this country. And now they are making $14 dollars an hour. He said what do you think you are going to be making pretty soon say out in Colorado? $10 an hour? $12 an hour? He said that is what is about to happen. He knows.

Don

[L. Coyote]

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[bobbolink]

2. And he KNOWS that people unable to work will die, and probably die quickly,

but he doesn't bother to mention that, does he?

No, he, along with all the rest of the "progressives", is ONLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE "MIDDLECLASS".

Those of us too old, too sick, or too injured to work can hurl ourselves off a cliff and spare the rest of you.

[Horse with no Name]

3. That's simply not true. n/t

[bobbolink]

6. Saying "Its not true" doesn't make it not true. Have you talked to Bernie about this?

I have called his office, and my assertion was affirmed by his staff.

So, go argue with them.

[Warren Stupidity]

5. yes they will die in about 24 hours if we don't capitulate!

not even Jack Bauer can rescue them!

[bobbolink]

7. Thank you for your concern. It is very touching.

[rbixby]

10. Its not progressives punishing the poor though

You have to remember that. We get thrown a bone and we should accept it as good enough, even though its really a continuation of the policies that got us into this mess in the first place?

[bobbolink]

14. "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing."

I'm sick to death of "progressive" doing NOTHING and continuing the mantra "We're the good guys! Don't blame us!"

[rbixby]

16. So exactly what is the 'nothing' in the democratic tax plan?

Please, enlighten me.

And is the solution you're looking for making social security insolvent, increasing the tax burden on those who can least afford it, and adding 900 billion to the national debt in 2 years?

[bobbolink]

21. Nice bait and switch.

then you wonder why you are losing votes........

[rbixby]

22. The bait and switch?

So what in my previous post is a 'bait and switch'? These are all things that will happen if the Obama/Republican tax plan goes through. There is no switch here.

[JDPriestly]

15. Bobbolink, the tax money for Social Security disability

and other programs for the poor come out of the paychecks of the middle class. That is why we all have to protect the incomes of the middle class.

If your middle class neighbor earns $10 per hour rather than $24 per hour, then the amount of tax money that can be collected and can go into programs like food stamps and welfare and Medicaid is significantly decreased.

So, that is why we are so concerned about what is happening to the middle class. The incomes and well being of the middle class are the anchors for everyone who is not rich.

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[bobbolink]

27. Don't talk down to me I am homeless, not stupid.

Telling me that it is "for my own good" to IGNORE poor and homeless people is so disengenuous....

There is no point in saying more.. this is abominable.

Just be honest and say you don't give a damn.

[JDPriestly]

32. Bobbolink, this is about tax policy.

The homeless do not pay taxes. They receive income from taxes. You are not forgotten. It's just that this tax issue affects you indirectly. It affects the middle class, working people and only after it affects them does it affect you.

[bobbolink]

33. It "doesn't affect me" because I and others are IGNORED.

YOU could have gotten out there and pressed for us to get that $250... for US not to have our COLA frozen.

But, no... we poor folks are supposed to kiss middleclass asses.

Which figures, since Obama kisses rich asses.

[JDPriestly]

34. Look, I'm on Social Security.

I didn't get a COLA either. I'm with you as are all DUers. I appreciate your raising the issue. But the government has to have income in order to give COLAs. The issue now is whether the government should increase taxes on the rich in order to raise the revenue to give people like you and me COLAs and provide jobs as well as benefits for working and poor Americans.

[bobbolink]

35. I will try one more time.... NONE. OF. YOU. SPEAK. UP. FOR. US.

Can you understand that?????????????????

[JDPriestly]

38. We do, but not when we are discussing tax issues.

[bobbolink]

39. No, you don't. Period. It is RARELY on any of the priority lists here!!

Plus, this directly affects tax cuts issues... example... for every Federal dollar spent on food stamps, $1.74 comes back to the local economy. That is much more productive than mythical jobs created by tax cuts for the rich.

But none of you ever mention that, do you?

[Ken Burch]

24. Bernie hasn't abandoned the poor.

I agree with you on a lot of things, but I have no idea where you're coming from on this.

Bernie is unambiguously one of the good guys.

[bobbolink]

28. "Good guys" also do what is harmful.

Please show me his speeches on poverty and homelessness.

Please show me what he has fought for.

I called his office after hearing one too many times his total concentration on "the middle class", and was clearly told that is his focus.

You don't know where I'm coming from? From UNDER THE FRIGGIN' BUS!

[Ken Burch]

29. I meant in regard to Sanders

I KNOW where you are coming from in regard to your own life.

And I respect you for continuing to speak out.

[bobbolink]

31. So did I.

[xocet]

36. Broad-brushed blather with a dollop of self-pity. Have a nice day. n/t

[bobbolink]

40. Ah, yes... caring about suffering and dying people is "self-pity" because empathy is a BAD WORD.

Back away from the BecKKKers, please.

[Warren Stupidity]

4. yeah! race to the bottom! yeah!

capitulationism is so much fun!

[Gold Metal Flake]

8. Bernie cares about the people.

He is a treasure.

[bobbolink]

9. Yes, he does... as long as they are middleclass.

[Gold Metal Flake]

11. I think you are just a parody.

Performance art.

[bobbolink]

12. Thank you so much for your concern for those beneath you. It is touching.

[Gold Metal Flake]

17. Perfect. I would expect no less.

[bobbolink]

23. And I expect NOTHING. There is no willingness to spend any energy to eliminate poverty and

homelessness.

Energy is soooo much better spent denigrating those who ARE homeless and want "progressives" to take action.

Have the last word... it is sooo "progressive", given that denigrating is more important that doing something useful.

Bye now... have a nice life. NOT being poor, or being homeless, and being able to look down your nose at those who are.

[Gold Metal Flake]

25. Amazing!

Hell of a performance!

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. This is a tipping pont

[Roland99]

19. Now he's calling out the Repukes for setting up the country to cut gov't to the core

[the redcoat]

20. It was $17/hr 40 years ago.

I don't even want to know what it would be without unions.

[B Calm]

26. In 1973 I hired on with GM and I made $5.25 per hr as an iron pourer

at their Tilton, Illinois foundry.

[NNN0LHI]

30. That is the same pay I hired in at Ford in 1973 as a production worker

Chicago Stamping Plant. UAW Local 588.

Don

[Raschel]

37. The auto industry was like the economic skeleton of our country. He's right.

Again, I hope all of you union-hating conservatives are happy. You cut off your nose to spite your face.