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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:24 PM
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Sorry, Keith, But I Agree With Gene Robinson On This One
KO had GR on tonight to discuss his column today, wherein GR said to take the deal.

KO said on the air that he disagreed with GR, even though he still loves him.

Gotta agree with GR, and for all the reasons he cited.
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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:25 PM
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1. You are wrong, but that is your right! -1
Edited on Fri Dec-10-10 09:26 PM by KansasVoter
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:25 PM
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2. I almost always agree with Gene, but not this time. nt
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redirish28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:25 PM
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3. I gotta agree with KO. Sorry.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:28 PM
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4. I like Gene Robinson,
I don't like the deal.
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Lord Magus Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:49 PM
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15. It's not about liking the deal.
It's about whether we can actually get anything better. Between unanimous Rethug indifference to what the American people actually want and the presence of entirely too many Blue Dog DINOs who also want the tax cuts for the rich extended, we probably can't get anything better right now. And the alternative is to let the Rethugs and Blue Dogs go it alone a month from now and extend the tax cuts for the rich (perhaps permanently), and without us getting anything at all in return.
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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:52 PM
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16. I like Gene Robinson,
I don't like the deal.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 11:35 PM
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21. What I don't like is the precedent it will set.
If it works, they'll run the same game on Obama again and again. The deal has a built-in detonator for blowing up Social Security--"Boo hoo, we've lost funding, we'll have to cut benefits and raise the retirement age!" And if the Rethugs didn't use their tax cut revenues to create jobs with a Rethug president, why would they use their extended revenues to create jobs for a Democratic one?

:headbang:
rocktivity
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:29 PM
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5. What reasons did he cite? It's going to take a lot to convince me (like I get a vote
or something :eyes:) that this won't harm us ALL a couple of years down the road. I think everybody will be in worse shape by then (except those fucking billionaires).

Thanks.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 11:40 PM
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22. You can read it at the WaPo:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 03:38 AM
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27. Thanks!! nt
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golddigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:29 PM
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6. I stand by KO.
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:43 PM
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11. I stand by GR
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:33 PM
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7. Olberman rarely has guests on when the disagree
Anyway, this deal is like the prosecutor offering you a year or probation. Take the deal or if not the prosecutor is going to take the case to trial and try put you in jail for five years.
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prodigals0n Donating Member (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:37 PM
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8. If this is really the best deal that can be had
Then it's worse than no deal.

It's time to say enough is enough and take a stand. George Bush used the Clinton surplus as an excuse for his disastrous tax cuts for the rich. He said they would create jobs. It's been ten years. Where are the jobs? And where is the surplus to pay for this tax cut for the rich.

BTW, every couple earning under $40K per year and every single person earning under $20K per year will see a tax INCREASE. And that's not even mentioning the republicans getting more than they ever dared dream of in the estate tax deal.

THIS IS RIDICULOUS. NO DEAL. LET IT ALL EXPIRE BEFORE GIVING AWAY EVEN MORE TO THESE CRAZY BASTARDS AT OUR NATION'S EXPENSE.
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Little Star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:40 PM
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9. Sorry Gene, But I Agree With Keith On This One.
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WHEN CRABS ROAR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:40 PM
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10. There is a time to fight for what you want, this is the time !
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:44 PM
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12. sorry I agree with KO, Bernie, Thom
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zalinda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:45 PM
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13. This is one time when the slippery slope
does indeed apply. Everything that the repubs are proposing, they want permanent.

This is a bad deal.

zalinda
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:46 PM
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14. Good luck with that, and welcome to 'Dissent Unwanted'....
or 'Dissent Unheard'. That's what DU presently seems to stand for.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 09:53 PM
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17. Careful, now.
It gets you banned nowadays.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 11:50 PM
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23. Try Dissent Unending and you'll be closer to the truth.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:05 PM
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18. Gene has been on a spiral downward and is wrong
He could barely sputter out the words. Shitty performance for the money he gets.
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qazplm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:30 PM
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20. lol
now gene robinson is somehow a sellout to folks. hilarious.
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Zen Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 10:25 PM
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19. Let the tax cuts expire. Let the Republicans lose support over not extending unemployment.
Obama still has the veto. The Democrats still have the Senate. The Republicans can do whatever they want in the House, but if it's tax cuts for the uber-rich, they can suck on it.

I say, Just Say No to the Republicans' extortion attempt.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:02 AM
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26. So in the meantime, when the UI checks stop after Dec. 31, HOW long
do those who were receiving them have to wait for all these heroics to play out, assuming the job market is not going to suddenly right itself, which is the reason they were drawing the extended benefits to begin with?

At this very moment, the MSM can actually say that the DEMOCRATS are holding up UI benefits and they are technically correct.

And by the way, exactly when do you expect the corporate-controlled media to start exposing the obstructionism of the Republicans? Clock's ticking...

...and in the meantime, I don't need to watch Fox News to tell you who they're saying is responsible. See above.
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MrMickeysMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 11:52 PM
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24. Gene had that disheartened look...
The, "I give up" look. A look that doesn't tell the entire story.

There is more to this than these guys indicate on air. I've been with Olberman on this one.

To do otherwise is to "give up" what I thought we all believe in when we're asked to communicate to "representatives". They've forgotten what their role is, and it's up to us to insist they do it in our name.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-10-10 11:55 PM
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25. Gene is a reasonable man. Reasonable folks get rolled by soulless zealots.
I don't think a large segment truly appreciates the real nature of the opposition.

There is no good on this path, we'll be appeasing sociopaths for every morsel going forward and in the end there will be nothing.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 04:01 AM
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28. I'm with Bernie.
That's the only guy left standing in DC that I can see myself agreeing with.
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stopbush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 12:57 PM
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29. From the responses, I'm going to assume most people didn't even bother reading Gene's column.
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