I wish people would settle down and let the intergalactic chess play out.

[newtothegame]

Just let it play out, it'll be fine.

[PBS Poll-435]

1. I wish more people knew House Rules and Senate Procedures

But sigh...

[dennis4868]

6. There are ignorant people here...

Who seem to think that Obama can over rule a fillubuster if he wants and therefore should not be compromising with the repubs...,hell, even dems in DC are thinking this way!

[PBS Poll-435]

7. Obama needs to march his arse down to a joint session of Congress (impromptu, BTW) and force them!

Oh wait, that really only happens in the movies.

The American President (1995) is one of my favorite movies, but is so completely factually inaccurate regarding our Constitution that it should have come with an addendum VHS tape explaining that the President does not send bills to Congress "for their consideration".


:shrug:

[dennis4868]

9. Good point...

Maybe alot of people here get their congressional knowledge from the movies and that's why do many say to Obama FIGHT....there is nothing to fight because of the special rules in the senate....

[laughingliberal]

22. Obama must have gotten his knowledge from movies, too. Here's where he sent a bill to Congress:

Obama sends consumer-protection bill to Congress

The plan would create a Consumer Financial Protection Agency and make banks and non-banks subject to the same rules. Some Republicans and business groups say it threatens economic freedom.


President Obama says his consumer-protection bill would help thwart unscrupulous practices and simplify documents related to financial products. (Gerald Herbert / Associated Press / June 30, 2009)
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Reporting from Washington — President Obama, pushing a key part of his overhaul of financial regulations, sent to Congress a draft bill that would create the Consumer Financial Protection Agency, which he said would better protect Americans from unscrupulous practices and make financial products easier to understand.

Under the 152-page bill released Tuesday, the new agency would bring together what the administration called the "fragmented" system of responsibility for consumer protection.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-obama-consumers1-...

who knew? :shrug:

[laughingliberal]

18. Really? Here's a story about the President sending a bill to Congress:

Obama sends consumer-protection bill to Congress

The plan would create a Consumer Financial Protection Agency and make banks and non-banks subject to the same rules. Some Republicans and business groups say it threatens economic freedom.


President Obama says his consumer-protection bill would help thwart unscrupulous practices and simplify documents related to financial products. (Gerald Herbert / Associated Press / June 30, 2009)
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Reporting from Washington — President Obama, pushing a key part of his overhaul of financial regulations, sent to Congress a draft bill that would create the Consumer Financial Protection Agency, which he said would better protect Americans from unscrupulous practices and make financial products easier to understand.

Under the 152-page bill released Tuesday, the new agency would bring together what the administration called the "fragmented" system of responsibility for consumer protection.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-obama-consumers1-2009jul01,0,2395109.story

Guess nobody told him. :shrug:

[PBS Poll-435]

27. Outline and suggestions only

Only a member of congress can introduce legislation. This is 4th grade social studies.

[laughingliberal]

12. Like Bernie Sanders? He seems not to be getting the intergalactic chess thingie.

Perhaps no one has taught him the Senate procedures.

[PBS Poll-435]

15. Strange reponse...

I was not talking specifically about today's "filibuster", but a more general nature of how things work in Congress.

And this is all but certain to come up for a cloture vote on Monday. Hell... It could happen tomorrow.

[laughingliberal]

17. I responded to someone who lamented that more people don't know Senate procedures. The poster...

seemed to believe the unwillingness to let the chess game play out was evidence of ignorance of Senate procedures.

My meaning is that I believe Sanders knows Senate procedure and he seems not to want to sit back and let the chess game play out.

[bigtree]

28. well, he did relinquish the floor

He's evidently not in any position or mind to stop the game.

[Skip Intro]

2. (((Everything is under control)))

[Jeffersons Ghost]

5. (((hugs))) for a black cat

[leftstreet]

3. CHECKMATE

[Armstead]

4. Naw.....It's just an intergalactic game of Chicken...and the GOP won

[spooked911]

24. sounds right to me

[freshwest]

8. Okay, then, we'll go there...

I'll wave at the Pleidians if they show up first. Because it'll all be Peace and Love and Stuff. If it's the Reptilians, I'll run for the hills or jump in the ocean. Either of those beats being eaten alive.

[dennis4868]

10. There certaily is not alot of trust and support here...,

For the first African American president who is the president that had to step into the WH under terrible circumstances - 2 wars, hated around the world, rogue nations building the bomb, an economy headed for a depression, a media that hates him and an opposition party that will fight to death and fillubuster anything that might be good for the American people because it might make him look good. And this is shat he gets from his own party? Disgusting.

[tblue]

11. Yes, he's the first black president and deserves all the kudos in the world for that.

But he is president and a politician and a public figure, so he is going to get flack from people. I know plenty of people who give him a pass and make excuses for him on almost everything. They want so badly for the fist black president to succeed. I do, too. I just don't think he's doing it.

I have written and begged him to do so many things over these two years, and he's only done one of them (hiring Eliz. Warren). So, yes, I am disappointed and how could I say I am not?

Fyi, I am black, too. But I don't have preferences when it comes to color. I never fell in love with Obama although I admire him and I sincerely hope he succeeds, too. But I don't get that invested in ANY politician. When you do that, you start supporting things you otherwise never would. And I believe a lot of people are doing that right now.

[laughingliberal]

13. +1000 nt

[highprincipleswork]

14. If he can't handle it

If he can't handle those kind of things, he shouldn't be President. But, in general, handling those kind of things are not where I have my problems with him.

It's in his messaging, his philosophy, and particularly his disregarding of the Democratic base.

Now, apparently he thinks his base is something else than what we have always thought of Democrats to be. Somewhere over in Independent or Center-Right or wherever. But how he can justify that conclusion, I don't know. I certainly know that that is not he won over Hillary. And I doubt that's how he won the election either.

Going contrary to the more progressive side of his base on each and every issue is tearing the Democratic Party apart, and it's not the fault of progressives that they just don't see eye to eye with what he is doing. I know I don't see eye to eye with it, and it makes me angry each and every day. There is almost nothing he has done since taking office that sits just right with me.

This country has fallen under the spell of Reaganesque propaganda for long enough, and it's a damn tragedy that we've got to absorb this same b.s. from someone who was elected from our party. That propaganda does not represent reality. For instance, it seems clear to so many that trickle-down economics simply do not work - however the policies and programs that depend on them just keep on being rolled out, and now by a Democratic president.

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. Thing is, he doesn't seem to get what the election was about.

Sure, he's a moderate. I think we all knew that. Of course, he has to be president of the entire country, not just of the party. But the fact is, he was elected by a majority of the voting population on the strength of the positions he took while campaigning. He was not voted in for the purpose of compromising with the republicans and abandoning the key issues of those who elected him.

Why is he getting this from his own party?

He ran on the Public Option - then gave it away.
He ran on ending the wars - reduced Iraq troops to 50,000 (3x the initial invasion force for Afghanistan) and called it ended. He not only upgraded the war in Afghanistan, but spread it into Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia.
He ran on closing Gitmo within 12 months - January will be 24 months, and no sign of it closing.
He ran on overturning DADT and DOMA - ignored DADT until after 18 months in office, and has not mentioned DOMA since the day he was elected.
He ran on ending the Bush financial policies - then appointed a Goldman/Sachs economic team, extended the Bush tax cuts, and began the defunding and soon to be privitization of Social Security.

Does THAT give you a clue? Or shall I continue?

[dennis4868]

23. Yes, please....

Continue....I have counterarguments to everything you said but it will be easier if you flesh out all your arguments and then I will respond. By the way, your first response tells me that you think obama, as president, can on his own pass legislation after it has been successfully fillubustered in the senate. Okay, so fire away more arguments and then I will give you my complete response.

[RaleighNCDUer]

26. IOW, no, you don't have a clue. nt

[Scurrilous]

19. DUzy!!1!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[lunatica]

20. Intergalactic?

Did you forget the sarcasm gif?

[NorthCarolina]

21. Relax

The DLC is your friend.
You Do not need Social Security,
in fact you HATE all Social programs.
You hate anything Liberal or Progressive.
You trust Obama to do the right thing.
You believe the Payroll Tax Holiday is good,
and that War is always necessary.
When you awake, you will be relaxed and
have a strong desire to post your thoughts
on Democratic Underground. 1, 2, 3....

[City Lights]

25. I'm wit ya, man.

:smoke: