Internet 'Kill Switch' Approved By Senate Homeland Security Committee

[ProfessionalLeftist]

The Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs has approved a cybersecurity bill, Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act (PCNAA), that would give the president far-reaching authority over the Internet in the case of emergency.

As The Hill explains, the bill, sponsored by Sens. Joe Lieberman, Susan Collins, and Tom Carper, would give the president "emergency authority to shut down private sector or government networks in the event of a cyber attack capable of causing massive damage or loss of life." The original bill granted the president the authority to "indefinitely" shut down networks, but an amendment to the PCNAA, approved yesterday, mandates that the president "get Congressional approval after controlling a network for 120 days."

MORE...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/25/internet-kill-switch-appr_n_625856.html?ref=fb&src=sp

[tekisui]

1. From bad to worse. This is fucking ridiculous.

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. We've turned into China.

[rpannier]

121. Well Joe LIEberman was praising the Chinese government earlier

He's made good on his threat

[Whoa_Nelly]

2. Another slippery slope...

:::sigh:::

Am left wondering if anyone has the guts to shoot this one down...

[DJ13]

3. This sounds...... ominous

"As we wrote here, the bill would also see the creation of a new agency within the Department of Homeland Security, the National Center for Cybersecurity and Communications (NCCC). Any private company reliant on "the Internet, the telephone system, or any other component of the U.S. 'information infrastructure'" would be "subject to command" by the NCCC, and some would be required to engage in "information sharing" with the agency, says CBS4."

[inna]

106. unbelievably fucked up and creepy. WTF???

is the shop about to shut down, or what??

[tavalon]

112. It used to be called TIA

Total Information Awareness. Same old, same old, just a different name.

[L0oniX]

4. OH NOES ...THE NUCLEAR INTERNET BOMB WILL BLOW UP THE PLANET!

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[Warren DeMontague]

65. DOOOOOOooOOOOMED!

DooooooOOOOOOMED!

[Angry Dragon]

5. Due to National security I find I need to shut the internet down

and no you can not see the reasons why this has to be done
Just take my word for it.....

[pscot]

71. "Shut Up" he explained.

[704wipes]

197. to the 'purists'

nt

[dflprincess]

76. .'...and I don't want to hear any liberal whining about the First Amendment -

not after all I've done for you."

It just gets better everyday, doesn't it?

[Cherchez la Femme]

132. No no no

It's fucking retarded, drug addict liberals don'tcha know!

SOOO glad we have a Democratic President! Why, a Republican pres would be 1000x worse! :eyes:


After all the bizarre, disgusting crap this past week I do not believe I could ever vote for this President again.
And no, in many important respects he is no better than any Republican. Fuck his words, his actions and cabinet, etc. picks drown out any of his gorgeous speechifyin' (see my sig line)

Also note that Bernie Sanders is a SOCIALIST (that Landrieu backed him up is alternate universe stuff in itself), methinks deliberate on the part of the Democratic Party & Democratic Senators so that THEY couldn't be targeted by the Reich wing pundits.
Cowards, all.

Which I'm sure, now that Bernie is so popular throughout the country, they regret not participating but only because they can't hop on that gravy train of adulation and avalanche of donations, not for any other reason 0-- certainly not to help the people! :puke:


And if the Democratic Party doesn't start acting like Democrats again I am DONE with the party -- I wouldn't call myself a Democrat even just to vote in their primaries! If a liberal runs in this district, then I'll switch back but that would be the only reason.

This is just TOO much, I cannot stand it anymore! :cry:

[inna]

198. LOL, exactly.

"not after all I've done for you." - i can almost hear it already.


the writing is on the wall.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. It is coming

and if you think China is the only place where access for the common people is controlled...

[unkachuck]

82. maybe the Chinese could lend us their 'kill switch'....n/t

[NBachers]

124. No need- just route the Internet through China and pay them to operate the switch panels

[Cherchez la Femme]

133. How uniquely American!

Offshore it out to China! :argh:

[gtar100]

181. I'm sure that's where all the equipment is being built. But the programming...

That will be done in India.

[Warpy]

7. Well, guys, it was nice while it lasted

but if they kill it off, we'll have to turn to handbills on lamp posts.

We did it that way before, remember.

[slay]

13. It's getting damn near time to take to the streets

and honestly i think people being able to vent their frustrations on the internet has been part of what has kept us from doing it.

It has become very clear over the last few months - you're either on the side of a corrupt authoritarian government hell bent on keeping secrets and protecting the rich and powerful OR you are on the side of transparency, freedom, and the american people. :grr:

[laundry_queen]

26. I totally agree, I was just going to write the same thing

The only thing KEEPING people from the streets IS the internet. I think TPTB know this. I don't think they would ever do away with the social networking sites. I think the illusion of free speech will still be there. If it isn't, TPTB are in trouble and they know it. They won't touch it, guaranteed. Think about how people freak out when Facebook is down for an hour. Imagine the whole internet going down...nope, I personally don't think they are that stupid. This is one monster they created that is truly out of their control, and they know it. If they do try, it will be in teeny, tiny incremental steps, not in one big shut down.

[undergroundpanther]

100. Don't forget

The crowd is getting ugly. Soldiers roll up in a Hummer. Suddenly, the whole right half of your body is screaming in agony. You feel like you've been dipped in molten lava. You almost faint from shock and pain, but instead you stumble backwards -- and then start running. To your surprise, everyone else is running too. In a few seconds, the street is completely empty.
http://www.viewzone.com/microwave.html
http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=6007823&page=1


More shit to fight if we"take it to the streets"..


http://www.newscientist.com/blogs/shortsharpscience/2008/10/packs-of-robots-will-hunt-down.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=specrt10_head_Pack%20hunting%20robots
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/10/AR2007011001399.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/dotmil/arkin020199.htm

US security forces turned the piercing sound on their own citizens yesterday to widespread outrage. Pittsburgh officials told the New York Times that it was the first time "sound cannon" had been used publicly.
Are they safe? Do they cause long term damage? I doubt anyone knows for sure. After all, they assured everyone that Tasers were safe. But four hundred people in the US and Canada have died from being subjected to these supposedly non-lethal weapons since 2001.

The use of new sonic weapons will mean that from this week forward, Americans can more easily be prevented from gathering. The presence of sonic weapons in police arsenals will deter some citizens from joining future protests, and possibly deter journalists from reporting such events.

The deployment of a new technology in Pittsburgh legitimates a new means of crowd control. Governments everywhere will see that an effective new means of crowd dispersal has the approval of the United States. From Burma to Iran, despotic regimes are watching. This week in Pittsburgh, the state became more powerful, illegitimate dictators harder to overthrow.
http://jotman.blogspot.com/2009/09/first-use-of-sonic-weapons-on-us.html

Were Non-Lethal weapons ultimately developed to dominate America’s poor?


Yeah,I think it was.The bastards bankers knew what they were doing and the net gave them time to perfect these horrible torture devices,they know exactly how pissed we are by observing the web..if they shut down the web we take it to the street and they are prepared...

Question is,is Slavery to the pigs that scammed us all to destitution easier to accept if you fear no access to water or food if you escape,and pain and torture..if you resist or organize resistance?

Me, if this kind of shit was what I was up against, and people were subdued and accepted slavery because of these non lethal torture devices.. I'd just kill myself that way they can't torture or enslave me and I have no need of food or water.They can't own me,my life is not all that precious to me. It's an emotional hell already. This I know I will never submit and give control of myself to anyone.

[Cherchez la Femme]

134. What's a little cerebrospinal fluid leaking out the ears?

Unbelievable

[krabigirl]

32. It is time IMO.

[Luciferous]

80. Agreed.

[SaveAmerica]

178. It is PAST time!

[old mark]

8. The good old "Land of the Free"...remember that?...nt

[Paper Roses]

114. That was my first thought upon reading the headline.

One freedom, one voice, one choice after another gone.

Does our government believe in the famous words of one who's name I do not mention ****.

"It's just a piece of paper."

This old lady is getting really mad and ready to march.

[old mark]

158. I can understand that "only paper" coming from republicans - but "our"

president is a Democrat.....(?):eyes:


mark

[katnapped]

9. Is it my imagination...

Or did the Fascism Train put the accelerator to the floor since the election?

[ProfessionalLeftist]

12. It isn't just you...that was also the first word ...

...that came to my mind when I read this.

[Enthusiast]

131. Which election?

2008 or 2010?

[Auggie]

11. Absurd -- I can't imagine this passing

[Celtic Raven]

40. Can't you?

After WikiLeaks? I certainly can.

And they'll use WL being multiplied with mirror sites, & defended with cyber attacks by Anonymous, to justify to the people why the internet needs to be controlled. TPTB already own the Propaganda Press.

[Mosaic]

139. I'm with you

Doom and gloom is not my thing, you can be a liberal without it.

[RKP5637]

14. This will give the control freaks their ultimate tool. Better keep those shortwave radios

handy. The way this is headed airwaves might be the best bet for communication until they jam them.

Of course the M$M will give us all the news/info the serfs need.

[Ezlivin]

49. Exactly. Now, do you have your radio license?

I've got mine. I'll be able to get onto any one of my radios and communicate across the planet at a moment's notice.

One last thing for me to do: Learn CW (Morse Code). Then even if I have no radio I can string wire and use a spark-gap to communicate.

PS: I'm a one-man web development "firm" and am greatly saddened to see the public forum of the Internet throttled by our fascist government.

[RKP5637]

54. We're on a slippery slope IMO. Totalitarian govs. in the past (present/future) would have loved the

tools today. Reminds me of hiding radios during WWII. I think a lot of Americans are still asleep at the wheel. I can see selective sites/info sources brought down if they differ from TBTB, silently slipping out of sight - unplugged, just looking at what's happened over the past 10 years this seems very feasible to me. No, do not have my radio license at the present time.

[Cherchez la Femme]

136. They'll try to control them

who knows how far modern technology can go?


Even without blocking short wave radio, they do this and 'America, home of the free' will instead be behind an Iron Curtain

[the redcoat]

15. Well, this is one way to start riots.

I'd like to see anyone TRY to shut the internet down for a week, let alone 120 days. They'd have to bring in the national guard to every major city.

[shanti]

29. that's what the camps are for

you do remember them, don't you? they were prepared years ago, and we wondered why back then. now we know.

[the redcoat]

43. then I guess we'll just have to have

more people than the camps can hold.

[glinda]

60. What camps? I know at the local military training facility that they are

building a new "training facility" that looks like an office that will be used by police and fireman on land that trains the military. I find the news of it frightening actually. They say it is for natural disasters and "emergencies" but I think it is to combine the military with the police force to control the public.

[tpsbmam]

91. Here are a couple of places to start reading.

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=eed74d9d44c30493706fe03f4c9b3a77

Homeland Security Contracts for Vast New Detention Camps

............

http://www.alternet.org/rights/32647/

Bush's Mysterious 'New Programs'

Plus, there was that curious development in January when the Army Corps of Engineers awarded Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg Brown & Root a $385 million contract to construct detention centers somewhere in the United States, to deal with "an emergency influx of immigrants into the U.S., or to support the rapid development of new programs," KBR said.

Later, the New York Times reported that "KBR would build the centers for the Homeland Security Department for an unexpected influx of immigrants, to house people in the event of a natural disaster or for new programs that require additional detention space."

Like most news stories on the KBR contract, the Times focused on concerns about Halliburton's reputation for bilking U.S. taxpayers by overcharging for sub-par services. "It's hard to believe that the administration has decided to entrust Halliburton with even more taxpayer dollars," remarked Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif.

Less attention centered on the phrase "rapid development of new programs" and what kind of programs would require a major expansion of detention centers, each capable of holding 5,000 people. Jamie Zuieback, a spokeswoman for Immigration and Customs Enforcement, declined to elaborate on what these "new programs" might be.

..................

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0814-05.htm

Published on Wednesday, August 14, 2002 in the Los Angeles Times
Camps for Citizens: Ashcroft's Hellish Vision
Attorney general shows himself as a menace to liberty.
by Jonathan Turley

Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft's announced desire for camps for U.S. citizens he deems to be "enemy combatants" has moved him from merely being a political embarrassment to being a constitutional menace.

Ashcroft's plan, disclosed last week but little publicized, would allow him to order the indefinite incarceration of U.S. citizens and summarily strip them of their constitutional rights and access to the courts by declaring them enemy combatants.

The proposed camp plan should trigger immediate congressional hearings and reconsideration of Ashcroft's fitness for this important office. Whereas Al Qaeda is a threat to the lives of our citizens, Ashcroft has become a clear and present threat to our liberties.

No less chilling under our "Democratic" leadership.

[madmax]

95. We're here

It's the Twilight Zone. I hadn't read about this shit, I'm going to become even more paranoid if that's possible.

Really :wtf: :scared:

[glinda]

96. Thanks for the links. yes indeedie it is with the National Guard and yes they made mention of

not having to travel to Washington to train and yes they brag about the ability to map out areas in detail. They used the excuse of Katrina and bridges falling and 9-11. Well we have no bridges to fall and do not have major disasters outside of tornadoes. Real bummer......

[shanti]

99. google this

Rex 84

[undergroundpanther]

102. yep

I hate the "ruling class"..and they can't stop me from despising them.I'll hate them forever.
I'll kill myself before I ever submit..

[glinda]

191. You are scaring the crap out of me! The facility is listed. It is near here.

And they are building. They said it has a prison facility (on the link list) but I know of none there unless the new white building is actually not an office. Awfully large for an office. There are railroads leading up to it also. They have an air port too.
Also... a factory by us also built a weird large windowless white building. They say it is for certain productions of things but I always got the creeps driving by it as it reminds me of a large incinerator. It is on the River with railroad tracks also.
I am not a paranoid person but this totally creeps me out.

[glinda]

192. Why would they need so many facilities that house such large numbers of people?????

[Cherchez la Femme]

137. I've got bookmarks

somewhere, of many huge camps built during the Dubya era. And still more are being constructed.

Jesus

[Dreamer Tatum]

135. Obama is going to put us in camps? nt

[tammywammy]

183. Just like Bush put people in camps

Right? I mean many on DU were completely convinced Bush was going to send liberals away...


:eyes:

[ProfessionalLeftist]

35. remember what 'wikileaks' said: "stop us? they'll have to shut down the internet"

Can they? Dunno. It appears that they think they can and that they are giving themselves the power to do so on a whim.

[MedicalAdmin]

73. If im reading the bill right then they can choose what to shut down

Withoit pulling the full plug. They get to choose what to censor and which companies or people to raid.

[NBachers]

127. They won't bomb the whole Internet- it'll be "surgical strikes" and "targeted neutralization"

The "Cyber Drones" will be dispatched to eliminate pockets of resistance. That way, the militants will be eliminated but you can still read about Miley Cyrus.

[Cherchez la Femme]

138. Sure, TMZ is a great zombifier

they wouldn't want to block THAT
& lets not forget Dancing With The Stars! :puke:

[AmandaMae]

16. There's not even any pretense of caring about our rights anymore

[cui bono]

17. At least internet issues might actually mobilize the youth. n/t

[laughingliberal]

18. Welcome to Iran. nt

[EFerrari]

19. This is bullshit.

[Unknown Liberal]

20. With all the hacking going along with the Wikileaks releases

It almost seems to me like someone is begging them to shut down the web using that as the reason.

Not to shut up Wikileaks of course, but to end the "cyber-terrorism". :sarcasm:

[Cherchez la Femme]

140. A new front on the war against Terra-ism

The thing is, nobody seems to remember that there FIRST was a cyber attack against Wikileaks itself!

Guy musta been a "Freedom Fighter" so his attack is A-OK! :argh:

[originalpckelly]

21. I don't think they'll be able to do it now. This story is from earlier this year.

Why post it now?

It's a terrible idea, are you trying to show that it could pass? The Congress only has a month left. Do you think they're going to try this in the new one or something.

[Kaleko]

105. You're right. This story is from June 2010.

But hey, let's all panic 6 months later because "it could happen".

[Cherchez la Femme]

143. I was very alarmed then, but

this Wikileaks/Assange bullshit has wonderfully clarified & pinpointed my focus
and, I'm sure, many others too

It's one thing when it's just on paper (sadly)
it's completely something else when it's displayed in living color in front of your eyes

[amborin]

150. you don't think

it was motivated by fear of China? they've traced to mainland china those who hacked into silicon valley corps' sites and managed to steal proprietary source code; and, China has been able to hack into u.s. military and gov't classified websites.

[Cherchez la Femme]

156. But isn't preventing hacking compared to censoring the Interweb

two different things, really?

[myrna minx]

22. Aw, friendly fascism all in the name of 'security'. n/t

[Cherchez la Femme]

182. How could we possibly survive without Big Brother?

I welcome our new, elected overlords!

Oops, looks like it's again time for a two-minute hate against our thoughtcrime from our compadres!
I haven't seen such spinning this past week since the last time I spun a dreidel (non-stop for an hour) for my little nieces...

[Poll_Blind]

23. "Day 236 of internet shutdown continues, President says threat not abated yet."

Ya, no thanks on that bullshit.

PB

[mwooldri]

118. Who the heck would hear this message?

No Internet == No Phones, No Video links.

Nearly every bit of electronic communication that is handled these days meets an IP network. There are smaller media outlets (TV, radio) that *depend* on the Internet for their data transmission. Internet shut down means they are shut down.

[Cherchez la Femme]

144. China blocks certain websites

we can do the exact same thing

[woo me with science]

123. I'm sure they will keep some websites open.

Walmart.com, etc.

[Donyellathon]

24. Unfortunately in today's world something like this is needed

Our entire system could be destroyed by cyber terrorists in the matter of seconds.

[Vickers]

41. Bwahahahahahaha!!!!!11!!!!!!!

oh...you were SERIOUS....sorry!

:blush:

[Cherchez la Femme]

146. Heh

didn't take long for him to get a pizza delivered

[Ezlivin]

51. Excuse me. Did you miss your latest dose of medication?

The internet was designed by the DoD to be extremely resilient. With multiple nodes and ability to instantly re-route traffic, it was seen as a "bulletproof" way to keep our military's lines of communication open during an attack.

A "cyber terrorist" is unable to bring down the internet. At best, he/she may be able to negatively affect one node.

[WinkyDink]

69. So....the President should shut it down FIRST? Great logic!

[malaise]

72. Go tell that to your nearest Chamber of Commerce

then get back to me

[MrMickeysMom]

75. Go back to sleep....

Ten years ago today was the beginning of the end, and here we are, getting posts like yours... Looks like it worked.

[Incitatus]

85. Explain how

[MilesColtrane]

25. Dead in committee.

Besides the Chamber of Commerce and Lieberman there is no support for this.

[walldude]

27. Hey it's for our own safety...

Kinda like TSA.... will probably work like TSA too. Well be right on top of it, after it happens. :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Lucian]

28. This is from June 25.

Why post it now? And what were the results?

[originalpckelly]

31. I think it might be that it means more now.

I asked the same question, but I guess I can see how it would be pertinent now. I too want to know what the results were, that's what google news is for.

[Cerridwen]

162. It's ongoing. It's not dead yet. It's traveling through channels as per

procedures. link to post with supporting info.

[tpsbmam]

92. It appears to have gone nowhere so far. I'd be willing to bet it'll be revived after 1/5. nt

[Cerridwen]

161. It's ongoing.

link to OP with relevant details.

[jotsy]

30. In all its horrific splendor.

Straight from the dark horse's two tine tongue.

<http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-3480>

[ProfessionalLeftist]

34. "protecting cyberspace"

Uh-huh. Cyberspace doesn't need protection. But criminal a$$es do.

[jotsy]

47. Notice the t of c list of interactive agencies, and most particularly

their order.

SEC. 102. APPOINTMENT AND RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE DIRECTOR.

(a) Appointment-

(1) IN GENERAL- The Director shall be appointed by the President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate.

(2) QUALIFICATIONS- The President shall appoint the Director from among individuals who have demonstrated ability and knowledge in information technology, cybersecurity, and the operations, security, and resiliency of communications networks.

(3) PROHIBITION- No person shall serve as Director while serving in any other position in the Federal Government.

(b) Responsibilities- The Director shall--

(1) advise the President regarding the establishment of policies, goals, objectives, and priorities for securing the information infrastructure of the Nation;

(2) advise the President and other entities within the Executive Office of the President regarding mechanisms to build, and improve the resiliency and efficiency of, the information and communication industry of the Nation, in collaboration with the private sector, while promoting national economic interests;

(3) work with Federal agencies to--

(A) oversee, coordinate, and integrate the implementation of the National Strategy, including coordination with--

(i) the Department of Homeland Security;

(ii) the Department of Defense;

(iii) the Department of Commerce;

(iv) the Department of State;

(v) the Department of Justice;

(vi) the Department of Energy;

(vii) through the Director of National Intelligence, the intelligence community; and

(viii) and any other Federal agency with responsibilities relating to the National Strategy;

I'm not looking all that hard, but I'd sure like to know what the budget for this bad batch of bogus is. Not crazy about the timing either, what with the FCC planning to promote net neutrality policy as per Verizon and is it Google or Comcast? If Joe Lieberman doesn't understand that Julian Assange can't be tried for treason b/c he's not a citizen, what qualifies him to speak to laws that govern anything more complex than a little league game, tyvm.

[ProfessionalLeftist]

59. I agree re: timing

and re: Lieberman. Too, as scary as the dufuses who are making policy about this is this 'trifecta' of events in 2010:

1. Homeland Security wanting the power to 'shut off' the internet
2. FCC (ie: Comcast et al) now even more heavily promoting THEIR version of "net neutrality"
3. Wikileaks debacle


:think:

[ProfessionalLeftist]

33. Particularly relevant now as our owners decide what to do re:wikileaks n/t

[DemReadingDU]

38. Exactly what I was thinking

Kill the Internets to protect us from the 'terrorists'

[ladjf]

36. When are we going to get some encouraging news? nt

[ladjf]

37. Time for the "geeks" to start building an "Underground INTERNET". nt

[glinda]

61. There does need to be another way for everyone to communicate and

to get information. I think this is rather pressing actually.

[ladjf]

63. In could be done. nt

[glinda]

67. How? And not make it so Gov. can shut it down or interfere.

[ladjf]

70. Trust me. It could be done. nt

[old mark]

39. This Democratic Administration really seems to LOVE the Homeland Security

and Patriot Act powers that they have - they are extending them and using them whenever possible, and our "rights" keep evaporating...


mark

[Blecht]

42. Just call it the Ministry of Information

[FlyByNight]

44. It's a republic, if you can keep it

Truly puke-inducing. I wonder what industries are giving/have given to these unfunny Three Stooges for this? I'd love to see the money trail there.

I just love bipartisanship.

:puke:

[panzerfaust]

46. Ah ... now we can end the Wiked WikiLeaks

[trud]

48. phone connections?

In the days of yore, if I remember correctly, computers used to phone each other up. Sure, it was slow, but could they shut that down?

[Liberal_in_LA]

50. omg

[GentryDixon]

52. The "Land of the Free"?

[Alamuti Lotus]

101. "...whoever told you that is your enemy"

[Catherina]

53. :Like mentor , like son

[Incitatus]

55. with no Internet access more people might actually go outside and protest like they do in Europe.

Of course, with the corporations controlling the news we get we won't know what anyone is doing

[Better Believe It]

57. They have the internet in Europe. Most use it and protest organizers find it very helpful.

[Incitatus]

86. I didn't mean to impy that the don't have the Internet in Europe.

I'm just wondering what it would take to get people to do that here.

[Cherchez la Femme]

147. THAT would be awesome!

We get outraged and assuage it by posting online. If we weren't able to, this country would see a surge in protests to make the Vietnam protests look tiny.

Thing is, the gov't knows this -- they'll leave up, heck promote, the brain numbing bullshit sites to attempt to hypnotize the masses

[sarcasmo]

56. Kick.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

58. I sure don't want control of the internet in some politicians hands...

Power corrupts, total power corrupts totally. The internet is fine the way it is.

[City Lights]

62. %^(#!

:argh:

[nadinbrzezinski]

64. Oh and now DOD is wargaming collapse

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9755137

We call that TRENDS... and not the nice ones either.

[Truth2Pwer]

66. We can all be sure that this "kill switch" will be used in our lifetimes

[WinkyDink]

68. Okay, THAT? Would really start the Revolution. The U.S. can't shut down the WORLD.

[MrMickeysMom]

74. Just looking at the sponsors of this bill speaks to the reason...

They're in full fear mode.

I wonder who gets to declare the "emergency"?

[Cherchez la Femme]

152. Why, the President of course!

Doesn't matter which one -- this one or the next.

He'll be "protecting" us!

Thing is, I don't quite recall where in the Constitution or Bill of Rights the duties of the President or any governmental individual (Congress, SCOTUS etc.) is to "protect us" from terrorists. Sure, being careful is one thing -- but this new "protecting us" has always struck me as way too Big-Brotherish

[Curmudgeoness]

77. Oh well, I have enjoyed DU for a while. I'll miss it...

when they decide that this place is a danger to national security. I mean, really, a group of free-thinking, informed individuals could pose a problem.

[Habitual Candor]

78. Follow the Money

Have you seen a graphical representation of the Internet? There is no such thing as a physical kill switch, but an attempt at a logical one via decree. See http://www.nd.edu/~networks/Image%20Gallery/gallery.htm for some examples.

According the CBO, that will be one expensive "switch".

CBO Scores Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act
Submitted: November 18, 2010 - 8:26am
Last updated: November 18, 2010 - 8:28am

Based on information from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), the Office of Management and Budget (OMB), and other major agencies involved in cybersecurity, CBO estimates that implementing S. 3480 would cost $1.5 billion over the 2011-2015 period, assuming appropriation of the necessary amounts. Most of those funds would be spent on salaries, expenses, and computer hardware and software.

I am quite sure the defense contractors are all lined up around D.C. and Virgina trying to get a piece of the pie. You realize none of these government initiatives are handled organically but outsourced instead at top dollar consulting rates.

[boppers]

84. It's a global switch, too.

The internet doesn't live in one place, so a US law is essentially unenforceable.

[Agony]

79. Oh FFS! there may be very little point in caring any more. It hurts too much.

[fascisthunter]

81. hey gov... fuck you too

[upi402]

83. The next president will be a batshit crazy Republican too

...the way it's going.

k/r

[Habitual Candor]

89. Not to mention the crazy cabinet members

If that becomes reality then you know who will head the Office of Cyberspace Policy:

[tomm2thumbs]

104. hehe - that pic is hilarious

holy farmville, batman!

[ruggerson]

87. There is no way this is constitutional

even with the wacked out court we have.

[Duppers]

88. Take away the ONLY source biased info? Hell no!

We must use our phones & emails to tell them 'hell no'!

They'll have to pry my keyboard from my cold, dead hands, (stretching the metaphor there ;))!!

[John Q. Citizen]

90. the Empire Strikes Back

[JCMach1]

93. Time to bring back FIDOnet?

[nadinbrzezinski]

97. We may have to

and I swear I will have to go search for a 1200 baud... that well works with modern machines

[Selatius]

113. It will come to that if most of the internet becomes blacked out inside the US.

People will use it and then figure out why the whole grid was taken down.

[jmowreader]

94. It'll never happen

They can't even keep State Department cables and CIA working papers out of the hands of an Army guy; what makes you think they'd be able to shut down the whole Internet?

[nadinbrzezinski]

98. two works, ROOT SERVERS

[Recursion]

120. US only controls 4 of the original 12, and there are like 20 new ones (nt)

[nadinbrzezinski]

184. Mind you it is not as easy as one time

but it still can be done... the US can still be closed off from the rest of the world.

And look at china for a model... or for that matter our lame stream media.

[inna]

107. cuz they never had that much control before, duh.

what's happening now is unprecedented, on too many levels (internet is just a new playing field, so to speak).

[Matilda]

103. Back in March, the Obama Administration opposed Australia's planned Internet Filter,

saying that it ran contrary to their policy of encouraging an open internet to promote economic growth and security.

Most Australians, then and now, would have agreed with that statement. There is little support here for an Internet Filter, and Obama got it right.


http://www.dynamicbusiness.com.au/articles/articles-news/obama-administration-rudd-internet-filter-1263.html

This is a total reversal of policy, and far more wide-reaching than anything Bush ever thought of.

Obama is sounding paranoid. You could be forgiven for thinking that Julian Assange is perceived as more dangerous than Osama bin Laden.

[Enthusiast]

142. That was then. nt

[Cherchez la Femme]

153. Thanks for the link

Gee, Obama flip-flopping
who woulda thunk?

[earth mom]

108. Wikileaks is being used as an excuse to police the internet.

Saw the following on this thread in the 911 basement:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x303697

The story on the surface makes for a script for a new Oliver Stone Hollywood thriller. However, a closer look at the details of what has so far been carefully leaked by the most ultra-establishment of international media such as the New York Times reveals a clear agenda. That agenda coincidentally serves to buttress the agenda of US geopolitics around the world from Iran to North Korea. The Wikileaks is a big and dangerous US intelligence Con Job which will likely be used to police the Internet.

http://www.voltairenet.org/article167733.html

edited to add that I had a hard time posting this info here. Tried to post it on another thread and it wouldn't work at all and now I can't find that thread. :tinfoilhat:

[ProfessionalLeftist]

109. this is a theory I've read/heard in the last couple days

...that wikileaks is some well-coordinated psyops designed to convince the public of the 'need' to police/control the internet.

[Enthusiast]

145. Wouldn't be at all surprised.

The PTB are many steps ahead of us.

[earth mom]

188. I'd bet my last dollar they've had the game plan mapped out for DECADES.

:argh:

[glinda]

193. Well that is an interesting thought. Or propaganda. Dunno.

[indimuse]

110. RIP America... nt

[Bodhi BloodWave]

111. Why exactly would you post a 5-6 month old story to try driving up fear and worry currently? n/t

[PeaceNikki]

115. Cuz stirring up anti-government hate is all the rage.

Everyone's doing it - right and left alike.

[Cherchez la Femme]

155. Baloney

it's more timely now than ever!

[PeaceNikki]

157. lol, more than when POTUS started the war in Iraq? Or the USA PATRIOT Act was passed? Or FISA?

Or the Bush Tax Cuts were enacted.

<sigh>

[Cherchez la Femme]

165. We're talking about the INTERNET

and the censoring thereof,
and your agreement that bringing up a 5-6 month old warning about censoring the internet was in effect, ridiculous and only to 'stir up' the people.

Try to keep abreast of the conversation.

[PeaceNikki]

166. You said "timely", which indicates "punctual". I say it's rather late, no? Read the bill, also.

It's ridiculous how the perception of the bill has become so separated from the reality. The bill is here:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-3480

First: there is no "kill switch". It's a complete fabrication. Of course the idea is a ridiculous one, but it's nowhere in the bill, whatever Joe Lieberman might think.

What the bill basically does is allow the President to declare a "national cyber emergency" (S. 249), which requires affected infrastructure-related networks implement a set of security procedures. This a step in the right direction, and it's not a kill switch.

The problem is, under present law it is unclear who is responsible for monitoring or maintaining the security of our infrastructure--NSA? FBI? DHS? The military?--and this bill takes some good first steps. It also repeatedly refers to privacy laws, and sets up the position of Privacy Officer who is a watchdog to make sure the Director stays on the right side of that line. Also a good thing.
Even though a coordinated cyberattack would be difficult to defend, the consequences would be serious, and I think it's the responsibility of the federal government to at least *try* to plan for such an attack. That's what this bill does.

Section 249 of the bill contains the material regarding powers during a "cyber emergency." Here's what the bill actually contains, according to the official summary:

Section 249: If the President determines there is a credible threat to exploit cyber vulnerabilities of the covered critical infrastructure, the President may declare a national cyber emergency, with notification to Congress and owners and operators of affected covered critical infrastructure. The notification must include the nature of the threat, the reason existing security measures are deficient, and the proposed emergency measures needed to address the threat. If the President exercises this authority, the Director of the NCCC will issue emergency measures necessary to preserve the reliable operation of covered critical infrastructure. Any emergency measures issued under this section will expire after 30 days unless the Director of the NCCC or the President affirms in writing that the threat still exists or the measures are still needed. Emergency measures imposed by the Director must be the least disruptive means feasible, and such emergency measures cannot be used to set aside the requirements of the Wiretap Act, the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, or the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. This section does not authorize any new surveillance authorities or permit the government to "take over" private networks. While complying with the mandatory emergency measures, owners and operators of covered critical infrastructure will have the flexibility to propose alternative security measures that address the national cyber emergency and, once approved by the Director, implement those security measures in lieu of the original mandatory emergency measures. Owners and operators of covered critical infrastructure who comply with the requirements can in certain circumstances receive liability protections that range from limitations on some damages to immunity from suit.
The Director will also work with owner and operators of covered critical infrastructure outside the United States to inform them of cyber threats and vulnerabilities and appropriate security measures.

The language in the summary is consistent with the language in the bill itself (section 249 starts on page 76). It doesn't sound like a "kill switch." The bill would require the President to submit a report describing, among other things, "The actions necessary to preserve the reliable operation and mitigate the consequences of the potential disruption of covered critical infrastructure" (pg. 84 lines 1-4). That sounds like the opposite of a kill switch: this legislation describes a process by which the president is expected to take action to ensure access to "critical infrastructure" -including the Internet.

http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2010/06/no-kill-switch-in-lieberman-co.php

[Cherchez la Femme]

168. So?

What's that got to do with, and I quote YOUR words:

"POTUS started the war in Iraq? Or the USA PATRIOT Act was passed? Or FISA?"

[Cherchez la Femme]

180. And 'timely' does not mean 'punctual'

Timely

–adjective
1.
occurring at a suitable time; seasonable; opportune; well-timed: a timely warning.
2.
Archaic. early.
–adverb
3.
seasonably; opportunely.

[Cerridwen]

167. Tracking legislation is not "stirring up anti-government hate."

It's basic civics.

This legislation has not gone away and is currently going through the legislative process.

The recent WikiLeaks stories make it more pertinent now than even it was back in June. There is now an increased "need" to police communications, not just the internet, in the name of "National Security™".

[PeaceNikki]

169. It's also a total misrepresentation of the bill. I will post this for you again:

It's ridiculous how the perception of the bill has become so separated from the reality. The bill is here:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-3480

First: there is no "kill switch". It's a complete fabrication. Of course the idea is a ridiculous one, but it's nowhere in the bill, whatever Joe Lieberman might think.

What the bill basically does is allow the President to declare a "national cyber emergency" (S. 249), which requires affected infrastructure-related networks implement a set of security procedures. This a step in the right direction, and it's not a kill switch.

The problem is, under present law it is unclear who is responsible for monitoring or maintaining the security of our infrastructure--NSA? FBI? DHS? The military?--and this bill takes some good first steps. It also repeatedly refers to privacy laws, and sets up the position of Privacy Officer who is a watchdog to make sure the Director stays on the right side of that line. Also a good thing.
Even though a coordinated cyberattack would be difficult to defend, the consequences would be serious, and I think it's the responsibility of the federal government to at least *try* to plan for such an attack. That's what this bill does.

Section 249 of the bill contains the material regarding powers during a "cyber emergency." Here's what the bill actually contains, according to the official summary:

Section 249: If the President determines there is a credible threat to exploit cyber vulnerabilities of the covered critical infrastructure, the President may declare a national cyber emergency, with notification to Congress and owners and operators of affected covered critical infrastructure. The notification must include the nature of the threat, the reason existing security measures are deficient, and the proposed emergency measures needed to address the threat. If the President exercises this authority, the Director of the NCCC will issue emergency measures necessary to preserve the reliable operation of covered critical infrastructure. Any emergency measures issued under this section will expire after 30 days unless the Director of the NCCC or the President affirms in writing that the threat still exists or the measures are still needed. Emergency measures imposed by the Director must be the least disruptive means feasible, and such emergency measures cannot be used to set aside the requirements of the Wiretap Act, the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, or the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. This section does not authorize any new surveillance authorities or permit the government to "take over" private networks. While complying with the mandatory emergency measures, owners and operators of covered critical infrastructure will have the flexibility to propose alternative security measures that address the national cyber emergency and, once approved by the Director, implement those security measures in lieu of the original mandatory emergency measures. Owners and operators of covered critical infrastructure who comply with the requirements can in certain circumstances receive liability protections that range from limitations on some damages to immunity from suit.
The Director will also work with owner and operators of covered critical infrastructure outside the United States to inform them of cyber threats and vulnerabilities and appropriate security measures.

The language in the summary is consistent with the language in the bill itself (section 249 starts on page 76). It doesn't sound like a "kill switch." The bill would require the President to submit a report describing, among other things, "The actions necessary to preserve the reliable operation and mitigate the consequences of the potential disruption of covered critical infrastructure" (pg. 84 lines 1-4). That sounds like the opposite of a kill switch: this legislation describes a process by which the president is expected to take action to ensure access to "critical infrastructure" -including the Internet.

http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2010/06/no-kill-switch-in-lieberman-co.php

[Cerridwen]

173. And I will say again...I have read the bill and I have found the

mechanisms that can be used to block portions of the internet, phone, communications, utilities, etc. and there are mechanisms within the bill to require private cooperation with gov't requests/demands for information.

It looks very much like trying to codify and make legal the warrentless wiretapping we so hated on DU.

[Bodhi BloodWave]

186. if it was ment to 'track legislation' then that should have been in the topic, the way its written

makes it seem like it just happened. And as a number of posts in this thread shows, there is a fair amount of posters who seem to believe so as well(and a fair amount of those again seems to have only read the title and not the post itself before posting their outrage.)

[Cerridwen]

164. Because it's traveling through the back channels as I type this. n/t

[Tribalceltic]

116. Hope is nearly gone

If they shut down, or control the DNS servers. Only the companies that TPTB will be able to do commerce. The small internet Mom and Pop stores will be gone along with any subversive forums like this.
I'm going to return any Christmas gifts I get to get parts for my Shortwave radio, and yes I have a license for it.

I here the train a comin and I can't get off the track.

[dgibby]

179. Nice the govt gave you a license.

So much easier for them to track you. We are so screwed.

[BadgerKid]

117. Government embarrassment turns into clamping down on citizens.

Lovely. :eyes:

[Enthusiast]

141. Well, we can't have the Fed and the

banksters embarrassed now can we.

[Honeycombe8]

119. Send a thank-you e-mail to Julian Assange and Wikileaks.

Don't forget to thank the person responsible for creating the need for this bill. A person who is not an American, doesn't care about America, and printed things harmful to America, having no overriding "freedom" interests in the information. Say thanks to the REAL person responsible for creating the need to shut a site down for 120 days.

Assange printed certain bits of information for one reason: His own benefit. Notice what got his supporters REALLY mad was the interference with....no, not printing information...it was interference with SENDING MONEY ELECTRONICALLY.

Follow the money.

[Individualist]

177. You didn't read the date on the article or the article itself, did you?

[Gore1FL]

122. How does one shut down the internet? n/t

[Cherchez la Femme]

125. Transparency! Transparency! For U & Me! Rah! Rah! Rah!

Fucking lying Oligarchical, Totalitarian fuckers. :mad: :argh: :puke: :wtf:

[jp11]

126. Yay fear and government overreach under my democratic president with majorites in both houses!

[Desertrose]

128. Isn't this an OLD ARTICLE??

Huh??

No way they're gonna "kill the internet". So much for the economy if they do. Duh!

Can you say "crash the economy"?

[Mosaic]

129. Lieberman is an authoritarian

He's even worse than a republican, he's just a petty tyrant. Let's remove his citizenship and deport him to Israel.

[Enthusiast]

130. They're about to test it out

if we don't stop talking about malfeasance by the fed and banksters. Mums the word. Just sayin'.

[FailureToCommunicate]

148. I can't believe it was possible to hate Lieberman more! Truth is

always the first casualty in a takeover.

George Carlin was so on target: We're being robbed(not his word) of our "democracy"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q

[BumRushDaShow]

149. Why has an article from JUNE 25, 2010

garnered some 114 recs and is sitting on the front page of DU? :eyes:

More bashfest.

[Cerridwen]

159. Because it is ONGOING.

Pardon me for shouting but it was the only way to possibly be heard above the ruckus in here.

Here is a link to a my thread which shows where this legislation has continued through to current.

This has not gone away.

[PeaceNikki]

163. I encourage people to actually read the bill.

It's ridiculous how the perception of the bill has become so separated from the reality. The bill is here:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-3480

First: there is no "kill switch". It's a complete fabrication. Of course the idea is a ridiculous one, but it's nowhere in the bill, whatever Joe Lieberman might think.

What the bill basically does is allow the President to declare a "national cyber emergency" (S. 249), which requires affected infrastructure-related networks implement a set of security procedures. This a step in the right direction, and it's not a kill switch.

The problem is, under present law it is unclear who is responsible for monitoring or maintaining the security of our infrastructure--NSA? FBI? DHS? The military?--and this bill takes some good first steps. It also repeatedly refers to privacy laws, and sets up the position of Privacy Officer who is a watchdog to make sure the Director stays on the right side of that line. Also a good thing.
Even though a coordinated cyberattack would be difficult to defend, the consequences would be serious, and I think it's the responsibility of the federal government to at least *try* to plan for such an attack. That's what this bill does.

Section 249 of the bill contains the material regarding powers during a "cyber emergency." Here's what the bill actually contains, according to the official summary:

Section 249: If the President determines there is a credible threat to exploit cyber vulnerabilities of the covered critical infrastructure, the President may declare a national cyber emergency, with notification to Congress and owners and operators of affected covered critical infrastructure. The notification must include the nature of the threat, the reason existing security measures are deficient, and the proposed emergency measures needed to address the threat. If the President exercises this authority, the Director of the NCCC will issue emergency measures necessary to preserve the reliable operation of covered critical infrastructure. Any emergency measures issued under this section will expire after 30 days unless the Director of the NCCC or the President affirms in writing that the threat still exists or the measures are still needed. Emergency measures imposed by the Director must be the least disruptive means feasible, and such emergency measures cannot be used to set aside the requirements of the Wiretap Act, the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, or the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978. This section does not authorize any new surveillance authorities or permit the government to "take over" private networks. While complying with the mandatory emergency measures, owners and operators of covered critical infrastructure will have the flexibility to propose alternative security measures that address the national cyber emergency and, once approved by the Director, implement those security measures in lieu of the original mandatory emergency measures. Owners and operators of covered critical infrastructure who comply with the requirements can in certain circumstances receive liability protections that range from limitations on some damages to immunity from suit.
The Director will also work with owner and operators of covered critical infrastructure outside the United States to inform them of cyber threats and vulnerabilities and appropriate security measures.

The language in the summary is consistent with the language in the bill itself (section 249 starts on page 76). It doesn't sound like a "kill switch." The bill would require the President to submit a report describing, among other things, "The actions necessary to preserve the reliable operation and mitigate the consequences of the potential disruption of covered critical infrastructure" (pg. 84 lines 1-4). That sounds like the opposite of a kill switch: this legislation describes a process by which the president is expected to take action to ensure access to "critical infrastructure" -including the Internet.

http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2010/06/no-kill-switch-in-lieberman-co.php

[Cerridwen]

171. I have read the Senate version.

It most definitely sets up a scenario in which portions of the "Federal Information Infrastructure" (gov't) and the "National Information Infrastructure" (private, internet, phone, utilities) can be ordered to be shut down, other countries can be blocked from sending or receiving traffic from the US infrastructures as well as require private communications, internet, phone, utilities, etc. agencies to participate in "information sharing" with government.

link

[BumRushDaShow]

185. Do you know how many bills come out of committee

that never make it to the floor? Let alone Congress having hearings and hearings and hearings that either produce no bills or bills that never get voted on out of Committee? Extremely few.

Anything on the table right now goes away with the next Congress that starts January 5, 2011. Still waiting after a number of years for a friggin' Food Saftey bill with recall authority to ever get anywhere (and whatever they did manage to produce of late is in limbo due an idiotic Senate snafu).

I have no problem with folks bringing issues to the attention of the masses here on DU and the issue of internet control is extremely valid (considering that the SCOTUS told the gov't just this past year that they (FCC) have no authority over it at all), but like Accuweather and it's nonsensical "snowicanes" and "MONSTER STORM COMING!!!!!" headlines, the hysteria level has gotten to be ridiculous on DU.

[kestrel91316]

151. Somebody should have asked the BUSINESS COMMUNITY what they thought

of this brilliant plan.

It will NEVER happen. Wall Street won't allow it. Business is completely dependent on the internet now.

[Desertrose]

172. EXACTLY....They don't want to crash the economy.

Shutting down the internet would do just that.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

154. I'm at the point I'll believe anything

because of what the TSA are allowed to do to us.

[Frisbee]

160. I'm sure it will continue humming right along for...

Wall Street, the banks, Mastercard and Visa, etc, etc. Shit, Faux news may even get some kind of pass of they can "help" get the word out for the government. But you can bet your sweet ass that DU, Daily Kos and other sites that actually give a damn about individual freedoms will be shut down, and that the congress will be more than happy to let the pres continue on after 120 days. Can't mess with the profit centers that continually line the pockets of the ultra-wealthy, but dissenting voices will be considered traitorous, if not labeled as terrorist organizations. How long until all new PC's come with a chip that lets the government selectively block websites?

It was fun while it lasted.

[lonestarnot]

170. No fucking surprise there. They own us.

[DirkGently]

174. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat? The. F*ck?

[hughee99]

175. George Bush is always taking away our freedoms...

oh wait, he's not in office anymore? Those god damn repukes running the house are to blame. They didn't take control yet, you say? Well... FUCK GLENN BECK, then!!!

[SaveAmerica]

176. Oh My God, this is getting beyond ridiculous

[sarcasmo]

187. Kick!

[w4rma]

189. They see China's totalitarianism as a blueprint. Notice the DLCers and "moderate" Repuke. (nt)

[Slit Skirt]

190. HR 645 Detainment for the "security and safety" of Americans

aahh yes..it's all coming together now...

General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.

(b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure--

(1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;

(2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;

(3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and

(4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-645

did this ever pass?

[glinda]

194. The one breaking ground this week near us just got funds and states

everything that you listed in the newspaper article. Every single one of them.

[glinda]

195. They portrayed the large building as an "office" to the public.

[AC_Mem]

196. You can't control clouds

The internet is becoming "cloudy" with no chance of reign.

Trying to control the internet of the future will be like trying to herd clouds into a corral. www may be nothing more than an internet "area code" in the future.

Progress will not be stopped, no matter how man may try to control it.

Peace,
Annette

[glinda]

199. Except the Gov. & Nasa have a symbiotic relationship with the founding

companies that develop cloud technology. Would that matter at all?