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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 05:43 PM
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Bernie Sanders, YES, President Obama, Not So Much
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 05:47 PM
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1. President Obama's policies are going to be the ones that create jobs.
Bernie Sanders filibuster just says no to unemployment extensions and all the other tax proposals. "No" doesn't get us anywhere.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 05:58 PM
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2. Giving tax cuts to the rich does not create jobs.
The Bush years are a testament to that.

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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 05:59 PM
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3. +1
Some are still desperately extolling the values of being urinated on.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 06:02 PM
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5. The most efficient part of the agreement is unemployment extensions then the payroll cut
Then the middle class tax cut.

The tax cuts for the rich are what you suffer through to get all the good stuff.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 06:24 PM
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8. its called emptying the national treasury to make a few rich even richer
increasing our national debt.

It does nothing to create jobs, the corporations have record profit but
aren't adding jobs.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 06:45 PM
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14. So you want to get rid of the middle class tax cuts, the child tax credits, the
Unemployment extensions and the expensing of capital purchases to contain the debt? Hey I think that helps my situation better in the long run but I was feeling really bad for the unemployed. But I guess some think that is an okay thing to do.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 07:48 PM
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15. Including the increased withholding
on those with incomes under $20-40K (single/family)?

Including the "poison pill" FICA tax holiday aimed at killing SS?

Including the lowering of estate taxes (after a holiday of zero ET)?

Helluva bargain for 13 months of UI that doesn't cover the long-term unemployed.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 06:00 PM
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4. Yay, more trickle down propaganda.
It never gets old.

:eyes:
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 06:07 PM
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6. My sister and brother will spend every penny of that cut.
I'll do my part but I'm not as efficient as they are.

And while tax cuts aren't very efficient they still contribute somewhat to growth in a consumption economy.

No, they aren't getting the top cuts, they will be benefiting most from the payroll tax cut as will I.

And yes, the growing of the deficit sucks, but since we need the growth it is what it is.
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katnapped Donating Member (938 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 06:07 PM
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7. Yup
Give the angry masses a couple of stale candy bars and tell them to shaddup.
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AndrewP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 06:40 PM
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11. Yeah, but I'm going to get another $200 next year!!!
I won't have any Social Security when I get old, but I'll be able to go to an NFL game every year! I'm sold!
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 08:05 PM
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17. yes, a few crumbs for alot of debt that we have to pay for
thats what we're paying for.

Its not like these tax cuts are free.
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 11:13 AM
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19. it's worked mighty fine for the thugs
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silver10 Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 06:25 PM
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9. This is what Reagan did, what Bush did...
and what Obama is now doing - decreasing tax cuts for the wealthy - who have not suffered, actually, they probably grew more prosperous - while decreasing social programs. They are not paying their share, and we need their money to decrease the deficit and stimulate the economy. The government, through various NEEDED programs, services, research and development, contracts, etc. DOES create jobs (or should).

I also don't think paying 2% less into Social Security is really helping - in the end, it will also help the repuke cause of undermining that safety net program, which they absolutely despise.

In the end, the extended unemployed do win, but I wonder how many of them voted repuke? Anyway, it's a sweet deal for the repugs.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 07:50 PM
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16. It's not actually paying 2% less. It's 32% less.
The proposed cut is from a rate of 6.2% to 4.2%. It may never be reinstated; it's the poison pill for SS.
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silver10 Donating Member (492 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 11:12 AM
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18. Thank you for clarifying.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 06:38 PM
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10. Poor Dennis Kucinich.
Tossed aside and practically forgotten.:(
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 06:42 PM
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12. Bernie was just on CNN and fired up....even got the panel to agree
with him....
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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 06:44 PM
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13. Poke all the fun you want, but I certainly haven't forgotten about him.
This battle however is going to be conducted in the Senate. Kucinich is a member of the House.
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laughingliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-12-10 11:13 AM
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20. K & R nt
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