U.S. Army wargaming "large-scale economic breakdown" inside the USA

[Truth2Tell]

Via MSNBC:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/40277398#40277398

[Edweird]

1. Posse Comitatus.

[tkmorris]

8. Exactly my thought

This would be like me practicing robbing a bank. Why would I practice doing something against the law?

[Spider Jerusalem]

35. Not applicable if Congress declares martial law in the face of widespread civil disorder...

and the breakdown of civil authority.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Hold it... I have been accused of NOT getting it

and that we would never see this...

Is DOD readying my posts?

Oh and they are also talking of Imperial Collapse...

My lord... TRENDS, and apparently the people at DOD live in the same fantasy I live in.

:sarcasm:

[RKP5637]

4. Trends!!! n/t

[nadinbrzezinski]

7. Their plan includes less money in the budget

and retrenchment. They see it.

[Ikonoklast]

53. Science!!

Sorry. This thread is full of silliness, I had to do it.

[RKP5637]

55. Yep, in the big picture I would be concerned if they were not doing contingency planning. n/t

[jwirr]

41. Maybe they are finally reading Chalmers Johnson's books? Or Kunstler?

[nadinbrzezinski]

59. Paul Kennedy for that matter!

[Mojorabbit]

3. That is not encouraging news. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. Nope, no military practices for shit

unless they see it in the horizon.

Ok, let me correct this... no military wargames internal conflict in a serious manner unless they see it coming.

[Name removed]

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[Forkboy]

5. Ominous as it sounds, I bet this isn't a new thing.

They war game everything they can think of.

Having said that....sleep tight.

[OneGrassRoot]

12. I recall discussions about this during the Katrina disaster...

That the DOD was running "wargame" scenarios in the event of societal breakdown. It was the first time I had heard the term Posse Comitatus, so I remember those discussions.

[Bluerthanblue]

13. I bet you're right-

:thumbsup:

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. NORCOM is relatively new

a creature of the Bush Administration.

So is weakening posse

As they say, there are no coincidences out there.

[Forkboy]

21. Well, I won't argue that at all.

But wargaming these types of scenarios is anything but new.

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. Yep but NOT making them public

Where this was made public is also not a coincidence. After all this is NOT GMA, but THE PREMIERE business channel.

[Forkboy]

29. Some were public, just not a lot of interest at the time, and no internet to spread them

I remember reading many such plans/ideas in the 80's under the nuclear exchange scenario (I still can't believe how much of that stuff I read...how to make yourself cynical in one easy step lol).

These days, in the political climate we find ourselves in, these kind of things take on a new meaning. If I come across as trying to downplay this it's not my intention. I'm glad people are taking this in the context of our times. It was scary back in the 80's, let alone in this day and age.

[Sherman A1]

27. Precisely

This is hardly a new thing or new idea. They plan, wargame on all sorts of scenarios. There are plans somewhere to invade Canada, the UK and every other country in the world. Planning & gaming out those scenarios & plans is part of what they do.

[undergroundpanther]

60. They wargamed 9/11 too

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2005/02/sibels-way.html

[ReadTomPaine]

9. This story is intended to intimidate and chill future protest.

The govt. is letting us know they have guns and, unlike the Brits, they aren't afraid to use them on the population if the citizenry starts to push back.

I wonder who will blink first.

[nadinbrzezinski]

10. Except where this ran

CNBC, this is for the benefit of business.

See we are making sure you will be protected in case the rabble revolts.

[thatgemguy]

36. The side that fires

The side that fires the first shot, loses.

[dgibby]

64. Yep! Fort Sumpter comes to mind. n/t

[hlthe2b]

11. Good God... If that is not the most frightening headline I've seen...

I don't mean to be overly dramatic in pointing this out, but at the point all hell breaks loose, much of the public will have little to lose in putting their lives on the line through violent revolt. If there is no economic safety net, no health care access, no future for millions, risking death becomes a much more viable option. This frightens the hell out of me. I'm glad my parents and grandparents never lived to see this.

[FarCenter]

14. They need to plan for the possibility of a sudden cutoff of oil imports, for example

[Sherman A1]

28. They have done so and will continue to do so

It's all part of the process of planning.

[Warren DeMontague]

15. DOOOOOOooOOOOMED!

See! I Told You!

DooooooooOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooOOOOMED!

[Truth2Tell]

22. What? No illistration?

Why doesn't my thread merit a pic with your meme? :shrug:

I have to say, I feel a bit slighted.

[Warren DeMontague]

37. Here you go.

Sorry for the oversight.

[Truth2Tell]

40. Thank you.

Though the lovin' is never as special if you have to beg for it. :P

[Warren DeMontague]

43. ***

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4EptyBtDS4

[cwydro]

17. Gosh

and we all thought the Chimp was the one who would do that...surely that would not happen under a Democratic president????

How things have changed.

That being said...the military wargames just about everything - I was declared "dead" in a nuclear attack at a base in upstate NY back in the 70's. Still have my "dead" sticker.

But there have been no nuclear attacks in upstate NY. That base was trashed by a rock concert in the 90's...but there was no radioactive fallout that I know of.

So just because they train for it does not mean it will happen.

[jody]

18. If there is a nonzero probability of civil unrest would you have state militias augmented by federal

troops be totally unprepared?

How do you interpret the Constitution's direction to Congress in Article I?

Section. 8.

The Congress shall have Power

* * * * * * * *

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;

Given specific definitions in 10 USC 311 you could be part of that militia:

§ 311. Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.

(b) The classes of the militia are—

(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and

(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

[greytdemocrat]

19. ***Sigh***

A small part of the story you linked to.

You do realize the military games for countless things like Aruba invading the US.

Right???

[nadinbrzezinski]

20. Oh and on NORCOM

http://www.northcom.mil/about/history_education/history.html

Notice when it was created, 2002, under the signature of Bush.

[Desertrose]

38. speaking of NORTHCOM...

Came across this one today.....

A new report prepared for Prime Minister Putin by the foreign military intelligence directorate (GRU) on the thousands of secret documents belonging to the United States leaked by the European whistleblower site WikiLeaks says that President Obama and US Secretary of Defense Robert Gates were put into what the Americans call their “2012 ALICE Bunker” last December (2009) after the mysterious appearance of what has become known as the “Norway Spiral”.

Now according to this report, the US Embassy in Oslo, Norway, sent a “Top Secret” cable to “USNORTHCOM” stating the following:

Ҧ1. (S) RNoAF response to HAARP/CERN spiral anomaly was limited to 175 km. with testing parameters met within 3degrees of arc access.

¶2. (S) Post recommends activation of 2012 Project ALICE Bunker for POTUS/SECDEF”

FWIW...interesting.....read the article at the link to find out more abut the 2012 Alice Bunker.

[nadinbrzezinski]

39. I am shocked the GRU does not know this

but...

The US has always had a bunker for the leadership near DC. The one over the cold war had it's cover blown a few years back. It was under a fancy hotel, and they even have had the damn thing on the History Channel.

This new bunker... same shit different day.

But if this was the case, that anomaly was far more serious than we all have been led to believe... and wasn't Clinton there when it happened?

[dgibby]

66. It was a massive underground bomb shelter for members of Congress

and their families and staff, located under the West Va. wing of the Greenbrier Hotel and Resort, a 5 star facility in White Sulphur Springs, WV.

The relationship between the Greenbrier and the Govt go way back to WWII, and has been used to house German prisoners,relocated Japanese-Americans, and as a govt. hospital.

It was a favorite destination of Ike's, and I can remember him traveling by train from DC. They'd attach the Presidential Car to the George Washington, the Chesapeake and Ohio's premier passenger train, and he'd wave as the train passed through my hometown. He even stopped there once-probably the most exciting thing that ever happened! (Did I mention it was a very small town?LOL!).

Here's a long, but interesting article about the history of the bunker for anyone who's interested.

http://www.avhub.net/congressionalhideawaygreenbriar.htm

[Mojorabbit]

52. Now that is some interesting reading

I'd love to see a discussion of this!

[Desertrose]

63. More interesting stuff here...

at this link.

Lots of articles...take your pick.
The latest blogs/articles are on the right on the Homepage.

Norway Spiral was clearly more than what the MSM told us.

For the folks who thought this was all :tinfoilhat: ...hey, maybe not.

[sasha031]

24. this is so depressing and scary

[girl gone mad]

25. To put it simply..

When we bailed out the banks, we took a private debt crisis and turned it into a sovereign debt crisis by transferring toxic junk onto the public balance sheet, thereby ratcheting up the deficit, but meanwhile our productive economy has been gutted. The end game which we are now approaching involves currency debasement and a sudden collapse in the value of all illiquid assets. The bond crash is already here, with equities and commodities possibly to follow.

The Army isn't alone preparing for this outcome. Here's the book friends with money are clamoring for right now:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Penniless-Billionaires-Shapiro-Inflation-History-/190477102335?pt=US_Nonfiction_Book&hash=item2c5951ecff

[sasha031]

30. may be a stupid question, not as versed as you

why would WH want to put more debt on us then:wow:

[girl gone mad]

57. Not a stupid question.

My guess is short-termism. All of the moves they make seem designed to kick the can a little further down the road. Letting the tax cuts expire would pull a lot of money out of the economy in the immediate term, which could create some amount of deflation and that is what the Fed has been firing off its bazooka to prevent.

[amborin]

33. in that vein, here's a scary article:

Deflationists Take Note: Bernanke Succeeds In Offsetting Shadow Banking Collapse
Submitted by Tyler Durden on 12/11/2010 16:29 -0500

Ben BernankeCitadelConvexityFederal ReserveM2M3Monetary AggregatesMonetary PolicyNegative ConvexityShadow Banking


The biggest piece of news in Thursday's Z1 statement was not that consumers continue to deleverage, that corporate cash levels are at $1.9 trillion (of which $1 trillion is financial and half of the rest is held offshore: maybe instead of copying Zero Hedge charts, the WSJ could have actually focused on the story behind the headlines) or that the stock market continues to be the only manipulated delta in household net worth (even as wealth in real terms is dropping). A far more relevant and important data highlight has to do with the only thing that actually matters for the reflation of the monetary bubble: namely the fact that the contraction in the shadow banking system is continuing. Or so was the conventional wisdom. As of September 30, Bernanke has successfully stopped the net decline of monetary aggregates even when including the massive shadow banking system.

As we have long claimed, every action by the Fed, every attempt at reflation, every bond purchase directly, and ES purchase indirectly courtesy of Citadel, have had the sole goal of counteracting the impact of the the collapsing shadow banking liabilities. Compared to shadow liabilities, which topped out at $21 trillion in March of 2008, all other monetary aggregates are irrelevant: this includes both their representation in bank balance sheets, such as traditional banking liabilities and the broadest representation of money stock tracked by the Fed, M2 (since as of 2006 M3 is no longer tracked due to the egregious costs of keeping track of this data). And the biggest, and so far most credible, argument that deflationists have had, is that the shadow banking system, and its reconstructed M3 proxy is plunging far faster than Bernanke is reflating other parallel aggregates. Well, that is now over. As of Q3 2009, the sequential change in shadow and traditional bank liabilities was net positive by $3.8 billion: this is the first time this number has posted an increase since December 2008! This fact should send a wedge of terror into the hearts of all those, both deflationists and inflationsts, who realize the significance of this inflection point: it appears that Bernanke has finally succeeded at offsetting the drop in the shadow banking system.

Up until now the one and only defense that those who anticipate continued asset price declines was that on a net basis, the monetary system was still contracting. That is now no longer the case. And now, ironically, all that remains is for a very much cornered Ben Bernanke to convince people that the economy is getting better, resulting in a surge in net borrowings, and a spike in monetary velocity, and... hello Weimar.


http://www.zerohedge.com/article/deflationists-take-note-bernanke-succeeds-offsetting-shadow-banking-collapse?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+zerohedge%2Ffeed+%28zero+hedge+-+on+a+long+enough+timeline%2C+the+survival+rate+for+everyone+drops+to+zero%29

[malaise]

26. How do you have a new cold war with a country

that you owe gazillions?

[nadinbrzezinski]

31. My friend read between the lines

no you don't.

They are preparing for Imperial Collapse... and every one of them comes with a lot of internal pain.

Good news, they know it's coming, bad news, they know it's coming.

But telling the business world we are 'bout to retrench the Empire is not good. So tehy are dressing this in what they will have to do anyway.

[tavalon]

61. We know it's coming too

[sasha031]

32. I know...

[glitch]

34. Perhaps they'll realize this is a game with no winners.

And report to their civilian commanders accordingly.

[tblue37]

42. If the government, acting as house guard for the super-rich,

would quit ripping off the middle class, they wouldn't have to plan for a full scale economic breakdown leading to violent civil unrest!

[sarcasmo]

44. For when the unemploymen benefits of millions run out, kick.

[upi402]

45. inside defense DOT com - US Army "unified quest 20100"

I wonder if this is another scare tactic, "new cold war with China" - or is this for real?

[bear425]

46. Unified Quest 2011?!!!!

Sounds as if it's named with the goal being military control by the PTB.

[jmowreader]

47. They better be wargaming one more scenario

And that's the "Second Amendment Remedy" scenario: the one where the teabaggers find out the people they worked so hard to elect don't fix the country at all--much less in the way they want it fixed--and start shooting people.

[Truth2Tell]

49. Or who knows...

maybe the TeaBaggers were invented to be a trigger. :tinfoilhat:

[Stinky The Clown]

48. The Army would derelict of duty if it didn't do such gaming.

They should game an invasion from Mars, too. And Yosemite exploding. And an asteroid collision.

No, I'm not being sarcastic. If we can dream it, they need to game it.

[tavalon]

62. True enough

We in the "healthcare" realm need to be doing more of those sorts of drills. We have had far too few of them in my 20 years in the game.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

50. except, in a total economic breakdown the military will be the first institution to fail

$$$!

[EFerrari]

56. Contractors and robots are expensive!

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[Taitertots]

58. The Military is planning a war against us

"Large-Scale economic breakdown" = Revolution made inevitable by systemic injustice

[L0oniX]

65. Do ya still support the troops?

[shanti]

67. to all the naysayers:

when some of us have posted about Rex 84...toldja :( it's not a conspiracy theory.