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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 07:43 PM
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We NEVER hear/read about teacher's salaries/benefits and general status in other countries...
Why?

More importantly, who here hjas any info on that? Many other countries' students perform better than ours -- so how are their teachers treated, money and respect-wise? Anybody know? Tell all.








Hannah, you must know something about this. Let's have it.
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HillbillyBob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 07:47 PM
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1. Madfloridian might as well.
How well are they compensated, what is different about discipline, and what about curricula?
Not being smart alec. What is different? Why do they appear to have better outcomes?
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 07:50 PM
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2. Excellent question
I have no idea

:shrug:
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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 07:57 PM
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3. The media is a huge part of the problem
They've worked to condition our kids to believe that rap, fame, celebrity, gadgetry, money, facebook, and other worthless ideas that make them lots of money are most important. Meanwhile things like character, perseverance, honesty, and academic excellence are rarely touted. The US media has played a big part in the decline of the USA.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 07:59 PM
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4. We spend the most per pupil.
But how much is salary vs buildings I don't know.

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Smarmie Doofus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 07:59 PM
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5. There was a flurry of media comparisons w. Finland....
Edited on Sat Dec-11-10 08:00 PM by Smarmie Doofus
... about a month ago. Achievement, ( Finland's #1, apparently) demographics, teachers' salaries, union status ( 100% if I recall; thus establishing the disconnect between unionization and low achievement).

I didn't have enough time/energy to follow it in depth.

Go for it... before the trail goes cold.
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 08:03 PM
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6. better pay, however
at the risk of pissing off a lot of people - especially as we already have an - uncomfortable - relationship -

they also recruit the TOP STUDENTS to be teachers. It's an unfortunate truth that teachers in the US do not come from top tier students - probably because of the pay and lack of respect.

"The McKinsey report, “Closing the talent gap: Attracting and retaining top-third graduates to careers in teaching,” compares how we recruit, develop and retain teachers with how that is done in Singapore, Finland and South Korea. Those countries were selected as benchmarks because 100 percent of their teachers come from the top third of their academic cohorts, while only 23 percent of new teachers in the United States, and just 14 percent of those in high-poverty schools, are in that category.

The McKinsey researchers admit that research on whether a teacher’s high grades and test scores predict classroom effectiveness is “very mixed.” But school systems in the three comparison countries usually score far ahead of American students on international tests. The report provides a good starting point for seeing what else we can do to make better teachers.

The report looks not only at how the countries that hire only top-third people as teachers recruit them, but the way they train them and compensate them. It culminates with an series of scenarios -- what the McKinsey computers predict would happen if we adopted several practices that seem to work in the three comparison countries."

. . . Singapore, Finland and South Korea do other things we don’t do. They make admissions to rigorous teacher-training programs very selective. They tie the number of teachers they train to the number of available teaching positions so jobs are guaranteed. They offer opportunities for advancement and growth. They offer great social prestige.

As many comments on the previous blog post note, teachers tend not to be motivated by money as strongly as many of the rest of us. So perhaps it would be worth trying some of these non-salary incentives. At the center of any new recruiting scheme would have to be better methods of teacher training. Anyone who has spent any time in an urban school knows that getting on the dean’s list at Enormous State University does not guarantee you know how to survive in a classroom.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/class-struggle/2010/09/post_7.html



Here's a link to the information -

http://www.oecd.org/document/52/0,3343,en_2649_39263238_45897844_1_1_1_1,00.html

scroll down to: Chapter 3/ Indicator D
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 08:03 PM
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7. Finland's teachers are high status, and well paid
They all have to have a master's. Other countries are wanting to take features of the Finnish system, which has performed consistently well in international comparisons.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wherewestand/reports/globalization/finland-whats-the-secret-to-its-success/206/

http://www.teachers.tv/series/finland

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3478376,00.html


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howaboutme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-11-10 08:20 PM
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8. Media sabotages values and kids
There is no doubt that the USA media has sabotaged US education for decades and in every step of the way so that they can get rich while our impressionable students are dumbed down with everything from video games to Facebook.

If more money is the answer it should come directly from the pockets of Hollywwod and big media as an educational "make it right" huge surtax that goes directly to fund education and more teachers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acLW1vFO-2Q 1,050,900 views going to 2 million.
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