Why.....?

[bliss_eternal]

Can't anyone set aside their personal feelings when it comes to abortion and issues of choice? I was just reading a thread in the main forums (will link later after it's archived), and once again surprised by how many (alleged progressives) are reluctant to see themselves as "anti-choice", yet they clearly are (based on their comments).

I just don't get it.

A few really skilled posters, are great about posing probing questions. In the process they were able to get to a few posters "bottom line issues." You would think I wouldn't be surprised anymore by those that get all "holier than thou" and talk about the "moral implications." How and why is that anyone's business? Why do people need to be so judgemental of women and their choices? Seriously, I just find it mind boggling.

Is it primarily religion and other such societal structures? Or is it just accepted by and large that it's fair game to dictate to women what they should and should not do?

:shrug:

[ThomCat]

1. Seriously, why can't those anti-choicers just mind their own lives

and leave other people alone? :wtf:

[smokey nj]

9. Amen ThomCat! It's none of their damned business!

[uppityperson]

2. Is that the thread with that one long post with moral judgments in it?

A post filled with moral judgments and ends "I support choice, legal and rare"? I don't see how it is anyone's business and that post made me spit.

[bliss_eternal]

3. Probably.

I didn't see that post specifically--but a few others like it. So many other comments exactly like you described. Honestly I got so angry I forced myself to stop reading it and leave the board for a while. I didn't want to get sucked in.

I'm going to look now. :scared:

Edited--

I'm back. A lot of what I saw earlier was deleted (thankfully). But sadly a lot of the same has taken it's place. The hypocrisy is deafening.

They speak of the op's friend's difficult choice, saying how horrible it would be to be faced with such a decision (carrying a critically ill fetus). But they are clearly showing preference for women carrying to term--no matter what.

And somehow, I guess we are supposed to read all of that as "progressive and pro-choice." :eyes:
Btw, I'm especially entertained by the one's that have bought into the "pro-life" rhetoric.

Excuse me, I feel ill. :puke:

[uppityperson]

4. I got sucked in, but haven't had a reply back yet.

I like the OP in that topic though. Very straight forward.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3693011&mesg_id=3693298

[bliss_eternal]

5. I missed that one...

omg---. I'm guessing that thread was started based on the one I was reading (where so many arguments on abortion started, and were deleted for going off topic).


I'll be surprised if the one you linked to stays open--seems heated. :scared:
I doubt you'll have any takers. People don't seem to deal with the direct approach. ;)

[uppityperson]

6. I checked out yours also.

I see what you mean. Shame on some of them. The judgments they pass, shame on them. What sort of off topic, general insults or other topics?

[bliss_eternal]

7. Oh you know...

The usual meanspirited anti-woman, anti-choice bullshit.

Paraphrased of course:
--women should have to look at those signs, to see exactly what they are doing to the precious bit of life within.

the whole,"abortion is a moral issue, and I'm obviously superiour to some super slutty chick that would find herself pregnant because I see it as a moral issue and you pro-choicers don't" song and dance.

--anyone that gets pregnant is irresponsible, punish her...(blah, blah).

--I'm not anti-choice, I just think a woman shouldn't be allowed to murder her fetus so easily. :eyes:

I'm convinced a poster was doing hallucinogenic substances while posting. Because they really didn't get Planned Parenthood at all. They made a bunch of assertions about PP not offering any choices other than abortion--which is beyond ridiculous (as a former pp client, that used them for reproductive health care during college). I've seen (and heard from friends that went there) of all the choices they offer if women choose not to terminate a pregnancy. They offer other resources and support if women want that.

There were other shameful right wing, anti-choice assertions about women and abortion. :scared:

[uppityperson]

8. Oh my word, what crap, glad I missed it.

I amazes me sometimes, the stuff people come up with. I know there are certain infiltrators, but sometimes people who I usually think have sense suddenly just don't get it.

Maybe having been around pre-legalized abortion, maybe having worked as a health care provider with people getting abortions, maybe being raised when you didn't have sex with someone unless you were (supposedly) willing to marry them because contraception was difficult to come by (so to speak), maybe all that just gives me a different view.

[smokey nj]

10. I saw that piece of shit post.

I loved the part when HE (it's always a he, isn't it?) discussed the physical harm that abortions can cause women. I actually laughed at that line.

[uppityperson]

11. Just for fun, I copy/pasted my reply. His in italics

Where to start? that post is so full of accusations and offensiveness.

On the other side are women, who made a mistake (all women who seek an abortion "made a mistake"? It is their mistake?)

wants to mitigate the repercussions of that risk (so all women who seek an abortion had risky sex?)

Remember that, likely, an unwed mother will raise her child in poverty ...even if the parents are wed, there might be violence in the relationship (so the only women seeking abortions are poverty stricken or beaten on?)

Let me just say, that in an ideal world, abortion would be immoral. (Not in my world. In my ideal world they would be accessible and morally accepted by all)

biology, and peer pressure. Hormones go wild, and people want to learn what their bodies are telling them. Even if we can master the willpower, the urge is strong. Combine that with peer (or other) pressures, and ignorance, and sex (with its complications) will happen. (the only women who seek abortions are hormonal ridden females who may also be ignorant and succumb to peer pressure?)

Rape does result in pregnancy sometimes, and men should not rape.

Children are subject to their parents wills. If there were a fire, a parent would have to make a decision as to which child to get to safety first, not knowing if all can be gotten safely. (what does that have to do with abortion access?

abortions can have a physical impact on a woman (So can pregnancy. Matter of fact, a woman is in more danger being pregnant or giving birth than a legal medical abortion)

Ultimately, it should be a woman's choice. Agreed.

[bliss_eternal]

13. In an ideal world--abortion would be immoral.

:puke:

What a friggin' load.

[uppityperson]

14. and all the immoralities of women at all. bah.

[bliss_eternal]

12. Dude had issues.

I wanted to ask him what it was like--way back there in the 1920's.

:eyes:

[smokey nj]

15. 1920's? I'd say more like 17th century.

He's like Cotton Mather with a computer.