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magbana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 12:29 PM
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Why the Venezuelan Amendment Campaign is So Important by Diana Raby
From the CubaNews list - Comments in parentheses are from Walter Lippmann, list editor.

Diana Raby: Why the Venezuelan Amendment Campaign is so important
Posted by: "Walter Lippmann" walterlx@earthlink.net walterlx
Mon Feb 9, 2009 3:18 pm (PST)


(This should be very widely circulated in the media in
general and in the left media in particular. Why? Due
to the broad campaign against Chavez in the capitalist
media as a whole, and also mis- and dis-understanding
of the issues and the stakes by a wing of the ultra-
leftist windbags who sometimes make a lot of noise in
tandem with the prattling in the imperialist media.

(This is a clear, straight-forward and clarifying note
by a scholar based in the UK who explains in brief and
succinct terms what the stake in Venezuala are today.)
======================================================

WHY THE VENEZUELAN AMENDMENT CAMPAIGN IS SO IMPORTANT
Diana Raby
University of Liverpool (UK)

February 9, 2008

Next Sunday, 15 February, Venezuelans vote in a referendum on a proposed Constitutional Amendment that will allow for any candidate to stand for the Presidency, or indeed for any elective office, without restriction on the number of terms they may serve. Only the people's vote will decide whether they are elected and how many terms they serve.

In other words, if President Hugo Chávez, who is already serving his second term under the provisions of the 1999 Constitution, wishes to stand for a third term, he may do so. Equally, the opposition mayor of Greater Caracas, Antonio Ledezma, may stand three or four times if he wants (and if the people vote for him).

This is no different from the practice here in the UK, where Margaret Thatcher won four elections for the Conservatives (although we did not have the privilege of voting for her personally as Prime Minister), and Tony Blair won three times for Labour. It is of course different from the situation in the US, where some sixty years ago a limit of two consecutive terms was introduced for the presidency.

But why is there such a fuss about this proposal in Venezuela? Once again, as so many times before in the last ten years, the media are full of stories about Chávez' dictatorial tendencies or being President for life, and the opposition goes on about "the principle of alternation ". But they know perfectly well that Chávez will only be re-elected in 2012 if the people vote for him in elections which have been certified time and again as impeccably free and honest, and that the possibility of mid-term recall still exists and will be maintained. And alternation, as the experience here in the UK and in so many "advanced democracies" shows, is all too often a neat device to prevent any real change while giving the appearance of choice with a superficial change of personnel.

The real problem is – and everyone knows this, they just don't want to discuss it – that Chávez represents the continuation of the Bolivarian project, a popular revolution which has transformed Venezuela and inspired similar transformations in several other Latin American countries. And that against Chávez, the opposition will again lose, and lose badly as they have done before.

Hugo Chávez is the people's candidate, and for the foreseeable future will continue to be. No, he is not a dictator, and of course he is not infallible. He himself has often recognised his failings. But he has demonstrated time and again his commitment to serving the people – the poor, the workers, the excluded – of Venezuela, and they have reaffirmed their confidence in him. If he were to go – and thank God, this is not the case – it is to be hoped that the people would find, indeed create (as they did with Chávez) another leader or leaders. But why substitute a leader of proven ability, indeed one who has grown in stature and maturity with every new stage of the revolutionary process?

In these circumstances, those who talk about "Chavismo without Chávez" are either naïve or ill-intentioned. What is at stake in Venezuela is a fundamental clash of class interests, although one which is being played out as far as possible in peaceful and democratic fashion. The campaign for the Constitutional Amendment to abolish term limits is simply the latest battleground in this contest, and as such, a victory for the "Yes" camp on Sunday 15 February is crucial – and let's hope the victory is a decisive one!
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 01:31 PM
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1. this opinion piece should be used as toilet paper
the "importance" of the vote you claim is detailed in this article eludes me. The writer is disingenous in that the Venezuelan people rejected Chavez's ambitions in December of 07, yet no mention is made of that.

the writer then claims that Chavez, and only Chavez, is capable of leading Venezuela. Pathetic actually. and neither the writer nor the Chavez butt kissers here have any stake in the outcome of the vote.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 09:14 PM
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3. The vote in Dec '07 was on 69 amendments to the Constitution...
...one of which was lifting term limits, and another of which was equal rights for women and gays. Venezuela is a Catholic country, with a particularly rightwing (and political) clergy. The equal rights amendment may have sunk the whole package. Most of the amendments were on economic issues. Even with an equal rights amendment included, the 69 amendments only lost by 50.7% to 49.3%. Thus, the issue of term limits was hardly settled.

Chavez continues to be very popular, no matter what shit our corpo/fascist media throw at him. So there is really no reason why he shouldn't run again, if the voters pass this referendum--which is on one issue only, term limits for president and other offices. And it is perfectly fair that this and other issues which lost on such a close vote before, should be brought up again. Why not? That's how democracy works. This is especially true since the 69 amendments muddled the issue. I'm glad they're voting on it again. I think it would be good to have a clear answer on this matter from the people of Venezuela.

Some democracies have term limits. Some don't. We didn't, until the 1950s. Our Founders thought term limits were undemocratic. The people should be able to vote for whomever they want for president or other offices. I think the situation in Venezuela is very similar to FDR and the "New Deal." FDR introduced fundamental changes to our economic and political systems, as a result of the consequences of highly irresponsible behavior by previous rightwing (Republican) governments, which resulted in the Stock Market Crash of 1929, the failure of the banking system and the Great Depression. Millions of people were out of work and homeless. Many were starving. The "Dust Bowl" made everything worse by decimating the farming industry. The people voted for FDR because he promised to turn things around. They voted for him again because they wanted him to continue the "New Deal" programs. And they voted for him a third, and then a fourth, time, because they approved of the "New Deal" and also wanted his leadership during WW II. He ran for and won four terms in office, and died in his fourth term (he was 'president for life'). And all the while, the rightwing press called him a "dictator" and a "communist" and on and on.

Chavez faced a very similar situation when he was elected president of Venezuela. The people wanted and needed fundamental economic and political change, due to the incredible mismanagement of their economy by previous rightwing governments, in which an oil rich country benefited only the rich, leaving millions poor--and without proper schools, no medical care, shantytown housing and many other deprivations. This mismanagement was exacerbated by the "shock doctrine" economics imposed by Washington DC and the World Bank/IMF loan sharks, which was hitting many other South American countries as well. The whole region was suffering a Great Depression, yet it was rich in resources.

The Chavez government has not only addressed fundamental poverty problems, with both short term and long term solutions, they have re-negotiated Venezuela's oil contracts, to change a 10/90 profit formula, which favored the multinationals, to 60/40, favoring Venezuela and its social programs. Chavez has also been visionary in creating institutions like the Bank of the South--to kick the World Bank out of the region--and inspiring and supporting the creation of a South American 'common market, UNASUR, formalized last year. While doing all of these things, Chavez has put aside $40 billion in international cash reserves, as a cushion against fluctuating oil prices, and a brace against the U.S.-induced economic Financial 9/11 this last September.

While there is now hope in Venezuela, improved poverty statistics, phenomenal economic growth up until last year (when it went down everywhere)--most of Venezuela's growth in the private sector (not including oil)--greatly improved education statistics, and many forward-looking projects in motion, there is still much to do. Further, Venezuela is still faced with the threat that its fascist elite--who, like our fascist elite, is immensely greedy and irresponsible--will join forces with private armies, out of power Bushwhacks, entities like Exxon Mobil, and rightwing death squads and other bad elements over the border in Colombia, to try, once again, to destabilize Venezuela and topple its democracy.

For all of these reasons, the Venezuelan people might want to vote Chavez a third term, or even a fourth--as we did FDR. There is no reason why they should not have that choice. And we will find out if they want to have that choice, next Sunday, when they vote on lifting term limits.

As to whether or not Venezuelans need Chavez to run again (and he would likely win, if he did), that is entirely up to the Venezuelan voters. They get to vote on their Constitution. We don't. Here, the two-term limit on the president was rammed through Congress, by the Republicans, in the mid-1950s, so that no "New Deal" could ever happen here again. That was the purpose of the term limit--but if the people of the U.S. could have voted on it, they likely would have voted against a term limit, with FDR still fresh in their memories. Although I'm not a Venezuelan, I can certainly have an opinion on this matter--and it does, indeed, affect me. You say that "the Chavez butt kissers here" have no stake in the outcome of the vote. I presume that you consider me a "Chavez butt kisser." If you do, my stake in the outcome is that I am a U.S. citizen, whose government has grievously harmed the people of Latin America, and I want to see that redressed. I want to see Latin America come into its own, as an economic and political powerhouse, use its resources for the benefit of the people, and create vibrant democracies, like Venezuela's, where long excluded and oppressed groups now have a say. Past U.S. policy has not only been disgusting and reprehensible, it has cost me money, as a taxpayer, in aid programs, in military extravagances, in illegal immigration and other ways, and it has caused me embarrassment, for the many innocent people that my own government colluded in torturing, killing and oppressing. I am glad to see Venezuela and other countries fighting back, and insisting on their sovereignty. I think it will be good for us all.

I think Venezuela probably needs Chavez because they are at mid-stage in creating a more just society. I really do see it much like the "New Deal." Social justice revolutions take time. New systems have to be worked out. Newly empowered citizens need time to learn the best ways to use their political power. The Chavez government has greatly improved things, economically, and probably only his socialist government can run it all properly, without corruption and looting--which Venezuela's rightwing would surely engage in, if they came to power again. They are much like Bushites, from what I can see. Possibly there is some other socialist politician who could fill Chavez's shoes, but I haven't seen one on the horizon. Chavez is young. If he is willing to serve, why not? I don't believe the rightwing propaganda that he is a "dictator." It is no more meaningful or true than when FDR was called a "dictator." It is simply not the case.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-09 10:09 PM
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4. which items of the 69 did Venezuelans reject then???
essentially you are saying the 07 vote is meaningless. you can't answer that can you. good reasons to keep term limits include that is what their constitution says, and two, the people affirmed that.

Venezuela is rife with corruption. I don't know where you get off claiming otherwise.

and then you go on to say "probably only his socialist government can run it all properly". and why does the leader have to be socialist? what if Venezuelans vote for someone else who is not???

Lets dispense with the farce once and for all, and simply coronate Chavez. the people's opinion only matters when it is favorable to Chavez. is that what you are really advocating??
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 11:28 AM
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5. No, the vote was not meaningless, but it was extremely close, and the ballot was
Edited on Fri Feb-13-09 11:33 AM by Peace Patriot
confusing, with too many amendments, including the hot button issue of equal rights for women and gays. What I'm saying is that it was not a clear referendum on term limits.

Chavez remains very popular, and it is possible that Venezuelan voters distinguish between their high level of approval of Chavez and his policies, and the general principle of term limits--that is, they like Chavez, but don't want him or anyone as president beyond two terms--but it is not clear from the previous referendum that that is the case. When an issue--or candidate, for that matter--loses by only 1% of the vote, does that mean they should give up, go away and lick their wounds--and never try again? That is just not how democracy and politics work. You might even lose on something by 20% or 30%, but there are still voters who liked your idea (or candidate). Why should an issue advocate or candidate give up, if there is some support? And why should they give up if they almost won (lost by only 1%) in the previous round--especially if the loss was mixed up with other issues, and unclear?

You seem to be objecting to democracy itself. Venezuelan voters have far more power over their Constitution and their president than we do. They can change their Constitution by a vote of the people, and they can recall their president, midway in his or her term, via a referendum. In fact, the rightwing opposition--with U.S./Bushwhack financial support--used the recall provision in 2004, and the voters overwhelmingly supported Chavez staying in office. So, why shouldn't Chavez, his government and supporters, have equal right to use whatever democratic means are available to accomplish their purposes (in this case, Chavez running for a third term)?

If that's what Chavez wants to do, then it seems reasonable to me that he has asked the voters to give a CLEAR answer as to whether or not they want him to run again. I don't understand your objection to this. It's A VOTE. OF THE PEOPLE. IN A FAIR AND TRANSPARENT ELECTION SYSTEM.

If the voters say no, fine. Then the socialists had better find themselves another leader to put forward in 2012. That might be a good thing. I don't know. I'm not crazy about "cults of personality"--of the right or the left. But I do see the importance of FDR's personality in the crises that the U.S. faced during that era. And we have rather a similar situation today, with Obama's intelligence, self-confidence, compassion and ability to inspire hope--his personality--being rather important to steadying everyone's nerves during this Bushwhack Financial 9/11. However, in all three cases--Chavez, FDR and Obama--I see extensive grass roots political activity, empowerment of previously excluded groups and great improvements in the workings of democracy. So, if, due to the way things are structured in nation states, the poor majority needs a strong advocate--a champion--in the halls of power, that's just the way it is. It is an unavoidable hazard of most open, democratic political systems--and certainly needs to be watched, but it is only when the political system becomes closed and undemocratic that personality cults become truly dangerous. And I see no sign of that whatever in Venezuela--just the opposite. Venezuela's system is far more democratic--and the elections are far, FAR more transparent--than our own.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 01:25 PM
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6. its meaningless if the government doesn't respect the vote
and why was it confusing? you didn't vote.

do you want the constitution just to be a policy platform for the current administration? new administration, new constitution.

but if Chavez loses, don't worry. I'm sure he'll give the people another "opportunity".
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-13-09 04:09 PM
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7. The government DID respect the vote in Dec '07. Chavez immediately conceded
defeat. He could have challenged such a close vote. He didn't.

You really don't seem to understand democracy. How many times was civil rights legislation considered in the U.S. before a really good civil rights act was passed? How many civil rights protests were there over the previous 100 years, before a good civil rights act was passed in 1964? You think the advocates of civil rights in the U.S. should have given up back in the 1870s?

Issues come back. Advocates continue to advocate. Good ideas usually succeed in the end, no matter what their reception in the beginning. You keep trying. That's democracy. That's what free speech is for. That's public debate is for. That's what voting is for.

What is wrong with putting something to a vote of the people TWICE, if the first vote was quite close, and there were 68 other issues in the package of amendments?

That is not "disrespect." Putting things to a vote of the people demonstrates the opposite--a profound respect for the people, who are free to vote this up or down.

You also don't seem to understand the different attitude toward constitutions in South America, compared to the U.S. Two other countries just completely re-wrote and passed new constitutions--Bolivia and Ecuador. Constitutions are frequently re-written in South America. We treat our Constitution like a sacred Bible. It is difficult to amend, and the power of the people to amend it is greatly restricted. South Americans view their fundamental law and compact with each other differently. Their constitutions also tend to be much more complex than ours, covering many more issues. It's more like the people as a whole acting as a legislature. I respect that. It's not what I'm used to, as to the fundamental law of the land--not what I was talk in constitutional law classes. But, with a transparent election process, it seems to be working fine in South America. It's just different.

"...if Chavez loses, don't worry. I'm sure he'll give the people another 'opportunity'."

Yeah, so? Why do you put "opportunity" in quotes? What evidence do you have that, if that occurs (a third vote), it won't be a real opportunity to vote on the matter, in a transparent election system? Your quotation marks imply that it won't be real, that it will be cheating somehow. What are you basing that opinion on?

It's clear that Chavez really wants to run again. And he is proceeding lawfully, and with scrupulous respect for Venezuela democracy, to seek the permission of Venezuelan voters. This proposed amendment also lifts term limits on other offices--so the various governors, even the rightwing ones, would be able to run again as well. But you focus only on the presidency. Are term limits anti-democratic? Our own Founders thought so. That's why they did NOT include term limits in our Constitution. So this is a good question for Venezuelan voters to consider. It was NOT well-considered in the Dec '07 referendum, because of the 68 other issues.

As to its immediate political impact, obviously the rightwing opposition doesn't want Chavez to run again, because they are a minority and they want a weak or relatively unknown socialist candidate to run against in 2012. Also, like the Republicans here in the mid-1950s, who rammed a term limit on the president through Congress, to prevent more "New Deals," the rightwing in Venezuela, wants to dismantle as much of Chavez's socialist revolution as they can, and regain power over Venezuela's oil and other resources, to enrich themselves and to please their mentors (and funders) in Washington DC. This will be easier to do--if they are able to put forward some centrist-appearing candidate--if Chavez is not running.

A Chavez third term (if he wins that election, which he probably would) also has regional implications. Chavez has been the inspiration and instigator for many new regional projects, both as to economic/political integration--such as the new South American 'common market'--and specific infrastructure projects--such as Venezuela's and Brazil's funding of a new highway across South America, through Brazil and Bolivia (which will make Bolivia into a trade route from the Atlantic to the Pacific). The OP above is correct that the leaders and peoples of other countries in the region have an interest and stake in this referendum.

The political and regional stakes are fairly clear. The political principle is also fairly clear. Should the people be able to vote for whomever they want to hold an office, regardless of number of terms, or should they be denied that right? I'm with Jefferson and Madison. I think the people should have that right. As long as the elections are honest and aboveboard--and they are in Venezuela--the people should be able to choose anyone they want for public office.

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-11-09 02:57 PM
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2. Thanks, magbana, for the commentary. Good one! n/t
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