turn out was 55% and massive fraud alleged

[Bacchus39]

in 2005 when Zelaya was "elected"


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honduran_general_election,_2009

Turnout was 55 percent in the 2005 election that brought Zelaya to office, 10 percentage points lower than in the previous election.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/daniel-altschuler/honduran-election-winner_b_375854.html
Porfirio Lobo will be Honduras's next President. Consistent with recent polls, Lobo, the National Party candidate, won a resounding victory over Liberal Party candidate Elvin Santos. The results were unambiguous, and Santos quickly conceded victory while Lobo and the National Party celebrated their victory. This sharply contrasts with the 2005 elections, when doubts remained about the results for over a week and speculation about vote-rigging abounded. In 2009, conversely, the question is not who won, but how many people voted. The turnout question will now become the centerpiece of the debate on the election.

[Peace Patriot]

1. 49.2% or lower turnout is the conclusion on-site NarcoNews reporter Jesse Freeston

http://narcosphere.narconews.com/thefield/3660/electoral-fraud-proved-honduras-more-50-percent-did-not-vote

This report has text and video from vote counting sites in Honduras. Among other things, the reporter interviewed Leonardo Ramírez Pareda, the official responsible for counting the votes, who said that participation was at 49 percent. NN also adds an update at the end of the report in which Freeston questions chain of custody of the ballots and says that further padding can easily occur. The main thrust of the text concerns the initial lie by the junta that there was a 62% turnout--repeated without investigation and without questioning throughout the corpo-fascist media. Freeston did on the ground checking and interviews and found this to be false.

[Bacchus39]

2. and so?????

so the initial estimates were not accurate and have been corrected on official count it appears.

at worst, the turnout was just 6% lower than Zelaya's fraud filled election. and the Zelaya supporters were the ones calling for the boicott. not sure what the issue is then here.

the Congress rejected Zelaya's return which is the exact process he demanded.

Zelaya wasn't on the ballot. he's done. you are left with arguing about turn out which you wanted to be low anyway. it means nothing.

[Peace Patriot]

5. 13% is a lot of mere inaccuracy. And the problem, of course, is not just that "inaccuracy."

The problem is six months of martial law, a hundred murdered leftist activists, thousands tear-gassed, beaten up, arbitrarily arrested, imprisoned, raped, tortured, or fired from their jobs, or their homes invaded by police and the military, or being put on government "lists" for current or future punishment, the absence of civil and human rights, the shutdown of the opposition media, and "little things" like that, ADDED TO lying about the turnout. Then the rightwing candidate 'wins.' Jeez, Bacchus39, do you even believe in democracy? And if you do, name me some bottom line conditions for a free and fair election. Because every bottom line condition I can think of was absent in Honduras during this so-called election--AND they lied about the turnout.

It looks to me like Lobo bided his time, after losing to Zelaya in 2005, until the "ten families" and Jim DeMint & brethren could arrange to get rid of Zelaya and create the "perfect storm" of conditions in which to squish any real leftist candidates like bugs (one of them even had a broken arm from the police!), and paralyze the Liberal Party for decades to come, like the Pukes did here to the Democrats for forty some years.

Democracy it was not.

As for the Honduran legislature voting not to restore Zelaya to the presidency, this was the same legislature that endorsed his ILLEGAL exile (in violation of a specific provision of the Honduran Constitution that forbids the exile of any Honduran citizen) on the basis of a forged letter! The bastards. Zelaya did not demand to be restored to his rightful office as a trophy for the Junta, to legitimize their putrid "election," after the fact. They stole six months of his presidency! And he's still imprisoned in the Brazilian embassy surrounded by troops! This is disgraceful behavior by Honduras' elite!

But, hey, if you can prove that Zelaya was never elected in the first place, that would really take the cake. So go for it! I don't like fraud by anybody--and the Mitcheletti gang--once Zelaya's political compadres--have proven they are quite capable of the dirtiest treachery. So I'm open to being convinced. Watcha got?

[Peace Patriot]

3. Neither of your links provides any credible information on "massive fraud" in Zelaya's election

in 2005. In looking around myself, I see that none other than Pepe Lobo--the recent rightwing 'winner' of the Junta's martial law 'election'--complained of election fraud when he ran against Zelaya and lost, back in 2005, but did not demand a recount and conceded when all the votes had been counted. This is little more than a footnote in the wiki site for 2005 election. I saw one totally insane far rightwing site that alleged fraud, but it was totally non-credible. So, if you have something else, please enlighten us.

The rightwing in Venezuela makes a regular practice of screaming "fraud! fraud!" after every Chavez win, yet Venezuela's election system is one of the most transparent and aboveboard in the world. It became absurd and a joke. I presume this rightwing complaint in 2005 was similar. It would be amusing, indeed, if the Liberal Party went to all the trouble to steal the election for their candidate, Mel Zelaya, and then had to shoot up his house and fly him into exile via the US air base when he decided to take being president seriously. Evidently, the presidency of Honduras is just a trophy passed around among the "ten families" and nobody expects a president to...oh...raise the minimum wage, provide hot lunches to poor school children, make deals for cheap oil with Venezuela to lower the price of bus tickets for poor workers, or listen to labor unions and other grass roots groups about the need for fundamental reform of Honduras' putrid political/economic system! That is not what the Tweedle-dees and dums in Honduras want in a president. Really, did they steal it for him, only to have him turn on them like Jesus against the moneychangers in the Temple? That would be rich. Do tell. Got any evidence?

[Bacchus39]

4. the Ven opposition also advocated non-participation in an election

look where that got them.

Lobo could turn out to be horribly corrupt and incompetent. who knows? he can't be worse than Zelaya though.

Zelaya is done.

[Peace Patriot]

6. I see that you don't have any evidence. nt