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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 08:03 PM
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Obama's letter to Uribe (was a coup averted?)




Obama's National Security Adviser, Gen. James Jones attended the presidential inauguration in Santiago this week. Colombia's Uribe was also there.

You may have seen (or maybe not if the English-language media did not report it) that while in Santiago, Jones delivered a letter from Obama CONGRATULATING Uribe for accepting the Constitutional Court ruling that banned Uribe from trying for a third term.

Semana magazine, in its edition that comes out tomorrow, has a behind-the-scenes version of what really happened.

Detrás de la carta de Barack Obama felicitando a Uribe por acatar el fallo sobre el referendo, hay una pequeña novela. Un memorando preparado por la oficina del subsecretario de Estado para el hemisferio occidental, Arturo Valenzuela, había alertado a Obama semanas atrás sobre el riesgo de que, si la Corte tumbaba el referendo, Uribe optara por un camino extraconstitucional. Ante esta eventualidad el gobierno de Estados Unidos estaba listo a hacer un pronunciamiento crítico. Pero como Uribe se apresuró a acatar el fallo, optaron por una carta de felicitación que paradójicamente no fue bien recibida en Colombia por considerarla de corte imperialista.

(Translation mine)

Behind Obama's letter congratulating Uribe for obeying the referendum ruling, there is a small soap opera. A memo prepared by the office of Arturo Valenzuela, the under secretary for Western Hemisphere affairs, had alerted Obama weeks earlier about the risk, if the Court denied the referendum, that Uribe would opt for an extra-constitutional path (to stay in power).

Before this eventuality, the government of the United States was prepared to issue a critical pronouncement. But because Uribe quickly accepted the ruling, (the U.S.) opted for a letter of congratulation, which paradoxically was not well-received in Colombia because of its imperialistic overtone.

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This would explain the surprise, one-hour visit of CIA director Panetta to Uribe in Bogota on the day before the court issued the ruling.

Suspect that the U.S. Embassy/CIA had gotten wind that Uribe was about to pull off a palace coup to hang on to power and Uribe was told in no uncertain terms to can it.






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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 10:18 PM
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1. Muy interesante, rabs.
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 10:42 PM
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2. The meaning behind this



was that Obama was CONGRATULATING Uribe for OBEYING the law, instead of trampling it like Uribe has been doing for the past eight years. I am waiting for more leaks to see what Uribe was really up to.

There are Senate and Chamber of Deputies elections tomorrow in Colombia, so the post-Uribe panorama should start to clear up somewhat.

Thanks for the LinkTV tip. Watching the video "The Tribes vs. Chevron-Texaco" and it's very good. Lots of good stuff on LinkTV, will have to explore it more.

hi:



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 10:58 PM
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4. That's right. It was code. Obama gets credit for doing this.
It's good to hear good news about the president. :hi:
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 10:53 PM
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3. You called this one perfectly. We are your witnesses. Thank you for this official info. n/t
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-13-10 11:46 PM
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5. You're welcome Judi: it's just that instead of watching mindless TV here in the States

I go surfing the "tubes" to see what is happening south of the border. Just about everyday there is something worth posting on this forum that may not make it in the English-language media.


For instance, a few minutes ago was chuckling at an article in El Tiempo of Bogota. Now that Obama has thrown Uribe under the bus, looks like alvarito is still highly pissed.

There was a meeting between Uribe and his Vice President Francisco Santos this morning in which Santos said the U.S. State Department report on human rights violation and corruption in Colombia under the Uribe government was full of "disinformation" and "manipulation" and was was "hypocrisy."

A reader commented that the only difference between the two countries is that human rights in Colombia are violated because there is an internal war and the United States violates human rights abroad in the two external wars that Washington is conducting.

Plan to be looking to see what the Constitutional Court rules about the legality of the U.S. bases accord. Read that U.S. personal were due to arrive in some of the bases next month, but that may be put off for a while.


El Tiempo article

http://www.eltiempo.com/colombia/politica/francisco-santos-aseguro-que-informe-de-ddhh-de-eu-es-hipocrita_7404507-1



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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:49 AM
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7. Santos doesn't know much about us internally, apparently!
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:43 AM
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11. Xinhua's article (first one in English I've found) echoes what you posted earlier:
Colombia rejects U.S. human rights report
15:47, March 14, 2010

Colombia rejected an annual human rights report of the U.S. State Department, saying criticisms against the South American country were based on false information.

The U.S. human rights report, which said there remain significant human rights abuses in Colombia, is based on false information and is manipulated, said Vice President Francisco Santos on Saturday.

The report is hypocritical and exposes the U.S. double standards on the human rights, said Santos in a meeting with President Alvaro Uribe.

The U.S. report issued on Thursday listed official corruption among other cases of human rights abuses.

It also mentioned multiple violations of human rights in the country's 45-year-long internal conflict involving government forces, terrorist groups other illegal armed groups.

http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90852/6919188.html
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 12:05 AM
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6. Well, since we're leasing the country...n/t
:yoiks:
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 02:54 AM
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9. The Colombian Reservation. n/t
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 01:50 AM
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8. k*r Impressive
Nice behind the scenes material. Thanks.
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troubledamerican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:02 AM
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10. Paradoxically, this will make Uribe more dangerous,
Watch and see the mischief and subterfuge on behalf of the Internationale Fasciste Neocon Right-wing.

Against Chavez, against Correa, and attempting to lure Obama into a trap.

Don't forget how McCain's campaign was fortuitously visiting Uribe in Colombia when the "Magic Hostage Rescue" was staged. Magic laptops, Death Squads, Mass Graves -- Don't forget what Uribe is capable of.

NOW Uribe has nothing left to lose.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 05:49 AM
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12. Absolutely remember McCain's pilgrimage to Colombia, dragging his minions,
Lindsey Graham and Joe Lieberman behind him. Here's a photo taken less than 5 months before the election.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com.nyud.net:8090/images/2008/07/02/us/politics/02mccain.600.jpg

The "home grown" fascists will leap at the opportunity to turn this situation into a real right-wing circle fest.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-24-10 04:06 AM
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27. Just saw this funny photo again. How many loathesome people can you cram into one photo, anyway?
That bastard behind McCain on his right is ambassador William A-hole Brownfield, and on the other side, goddawful slimy Lindsey Graham, and as crap icing on the cake there's little creepy Joe Lieberman, not to mention Death Squad Alvaro Uribe.

Fantastic.
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protocol rv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 06:23 AM
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13. Powder Puff
There's no substance to this report. Pure innuendo.
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 11:20 AM
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14. You've mistaken it for one of your posts.
Just sayin'.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:00 PM
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20. LOL! And "pr" still hasn't taken back that racist comment about 'Indians.' nt
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:51 AM
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22. Actually, PR is still making them.
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:15 PM
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15. Innuendo



Obama sent Jones to the inauguration in Chile = not innuendo

Obama sent a letter to Uribe = not innuendo

Obama's letter congratulated Uribe for having his ass handed to him by the court = not innuendo

Obama's CIA director was in Bogota to meet Uribe one day before the court ruling = not innuendo

Semana reports Uribe was contemplating an "unconstitutional act" to stay in power = not innuendo

Obama got wind of this and put the brakes to Uribe = not innuendo

Uribe not only obeyed the court ruling, but also his master Obama = not innuendo

Protocol rv provides no proof to any of the above = INNUENDO








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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:38 PM
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16. and the Semana article is where now??? n/t
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:41 PM
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17. where is the report??? It would be nice to have a link to this article
even if this is true, I'd say it was a positive diplomatic move on the part of the US. Uribe should go and, if he needed nudging, I see it as a positve for the US effort. lets see the report though.

I am not sure what our "Democratic" friends here are concerned about. they wanted the US to exert more pressure on Honduras to restore Zelaya.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:44 PM
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18. link to that report?? how about we see that n/t
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 09:56 PM
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19. Go to Semana. n/t
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-14-10 10:02 PM
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21. been there, where is the story??? n/t
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-22-10 02:12 PM
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24. When stuck without a link, you will almost ALWAYS be able to find the story
by posting the opening sentence of the article in google, and, as in this case, it will take you directly to the source:

http://www.semana.com/noticias-confidenciales/carta-obama/136337.aspx
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 08:50 PM
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26. she speaks!! I saw that 2 months ago. where is the behind the scenes story promised????
the small blurb was already posted in the OP. Still waiting for the exclusive story.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-15-10 12:02 PM
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23. When you consider how filthily corrupt and bloody-handed both Uribe and Bush Jr. are,
this story--about a possible Uribe coup, and Leon Panetta showing up and all--strikes me as the lid on a bubbling stinking cauldron. There is the "inside story" and then there is the "inside inside story" of what is being covered up, by both the CIA and Uribe. Please note that Obama has protected all of the Bush Junta criminals--fiends who slaughtered a hundred thousand innocent people in Iraq, in the first weeks of bombing alone, to steal their oil, and who tortured thousands, and who stole billions of dollars and who rigged our voting system for a second round of murder, torture and theft. And Obama's A.G. was personally involved in whitewashing Chiquita's payments to Colombian death squads, who killed thousands of union leaders and members on Chiquita farms. Now figure what the Bush Junta might have been using Colombia for--what the $7 billion to the Colombian military was all about, and what this secretly negotiated U.S./Colombia military agreement, signed by Uribe and Bushwhack appointee to Bogota, ambassador William Brownfield, is all about.

I keep thinking of the massacre of some 2,000 people in La Macarena, Colombia, an area of special interest and activity by the U.S. military (and apparently also the U.K, military). The mass grave has dates (but no names) from 2005 through 2009. Local people say that the bodies are of 'disappeared' local community, union and peasant activists.

Were these people killed by Colombia's military or its closely tied rightwing paramilitary death squads--in a political "cleansing" of La Macarena, with the Bushwhacks' 'blessing'? Or, did the U.S. and U.K. militaries participate in this horror? Some sixty of Uribe's political cohorts are under investigation, indicted or in jail, for their close ties to the death squads and to drug trafficking. So it is plausible that it was strictly a Colombian "turkey shoot." But when you read the horrifyingly bland documents that lay out the plan for La Macarena, written in Washington, you can't help but notice the similarities to U.S. military operations in Afghanistan.

I figured that Uribe would get dumped, because the U.S. war establishment so obviously wants former Defense Minister Manuel Santos--South America's 'Donald Rumsfeld'--as 'president' of Colombia. Many of the horrors that have occurred under Uribe's regime have made it to our corpo-fascist press--the New York Slimes, the Washington Psst, the Associated Pukes, Rotters, etc.--which indicated to me that Uribe was on the outs. Articles about the death squads in Colombia, and Uribe's corruption, simply wouldn't get any press if he was still Washington's favorite criminal in South America. These corpo-fascist 'news' monopoly lapdogs publish what the CIA wants them to publish.

But, interestingly, La Macarena has not been mentioned. A British parliamentary commission went to Colombia and verified the mass grave, because of possible U.K. military involvement. One of the commissioners described it as a horrifying "sea of bodies." Not one word in the corpo-fascist press. Is this because it was NOT just a typical Colombian massacre--but perhaps a "training" of U.S./U.K. soldiers for Afghanistan?

I wonder, too, about the "total diplomatic immunity" for U.S. soldiers and U.S. 'contractors' that Wm. Brownfield got Uribe to sign.

Leon Panetta was a member of Daddy Bush's "Iraq Study Group" and is, in my opinion, "old CIA," i.e., Daddy Bush CIA. (His appointment to head the CIA was initially criticized because--it was said--he is an "inexperienced civilian." But that talk was hushed up really fast and his appointment sailed through the Senate.) I think one of his missions as CIA Director is to cover up Junior's bloody trails. And that may be what he was doing in Bogota as the court ruling was coming down denying Uribe a national vote on lifting his term limit--securing Uribe's silence on a number of matters. I think this is A MESS on a par with the rendition/torture scandal and the Cheney/Rumsfeld plan to nuke Iran. I think Daddy Bush formed the ISG to head off the nuking of Iran--his intervention dating to about 2005, and resulting in Rumsfeld's resignation in 2006. With the outing of Plame and the CIA's entire WMD counter-proliferation unit, I suspect that Junior was becoming a CIA target. The plan to nuke Iran upped the stakes quite a bit more (potential Armageddon in the Middle East). The old Bush crowd--who are more into the cosmetics of running the Empire (f.i., getting UN backing for the first war on Iraq)--were shouldered out by Cheney and Rumsfeld. But Cheney and Rumsfeld got Junior into very serious trouble with the CIA, and with their plan to nuke Iran (and declare martial law here?), and in God knows what other ways. Is one of those other ways the bodies buried in Colombia?

Then there is the CIA itself, which has long been suspected of getting its "black budget" funds from drug trafficking.

I'm not sure how to put all these pieces together--to try to understand the "inside inside" story--but I do sense this very strongly: Uribe is NOT being ousted by the U.S. for his corruption or his ties to the death squads, or because of U.S. 'discomfort' with a Uribe coup. If they wanted Uribe in power, he would continue in power and they would create the corpo-fascist 'news' narrative to cover it over--just as they have done in Honduras. (And that is what occurred here in 2004: The corpo-fascist press wrote the narrative for a stolen election. Then, in my opinion, Daddy Bush had to intervene, because Cheney and Rumsfeld--heady with illegitimate power--were going too far--trying to finish their PNAC agenda to totally dominate the Middle East, at the risk of incinerating the Middle East.)

Something else is going on in Colombia. I have thought that it was preparation for their next oil war--and that may be true, but the entrails are hard to read. I think Uribe maybe signed the U.S./Colombia military agreement under duress (threats from the CIA or Brownfield on more disclosures of Uribe corruption? And maybe Uribe threatened them back, as to disclosures?). I also think Uribe may have some concerns about Colombia's sovereignty--such a hugely important issue in Latin America--or at least has concerns about how Colombia is seen by others, and maybe how he himself is seen, on the sovereignty issue. He appeared to have qualms about it. He took a special trip to visit other Latin American leaders, to explain that military agreement. Santos wouldn't have done that. He would have given them all the finger. He is totally the Pentagon's boy. So, if they are planning an oil war (main target, Venezuela), they wouldn't want anybody with qualms about Latin American sovereignty heading Colombia. They would want someone who doesn't give a crap. And that is Santos.

But ousting Uribe is a tricky business, given what I suspect is the case--that some of the bodies buried in Colombia are the Pentagon's and the CIA's and, most especially, the Bush Junta's. I don't think that the P.R. "talking point" of Chavez getting term limits lifted (by an honest national vote) and then Uribe getting a third term (by dishonest or coup means) is that important to the psyops/disinformation campaign (pre-war campaign?) against Chavez. (Hell, Uribe got his second term by bribery and that raised hardly a blip in the corpo-fascist press.) They have worked up so many other "talking points" against Chavez that it is immaterial, or I suspect that it is. The 'news' just doesn't matter, in that respect. They can manipulate the 'news.'

I think what matters is the Pentagon's war plan, and truly nefarious Bush Junta activity in Colombia--that could make Junior and others vulnerable to prosecution, if Latin America proceeds along its unity lines and creates a Latin American "common market" (which would include economic, political and legal integration). "Dirty war" criminals from the Reagan era are being prosecuted in Argentina and other countries. Countries such as Paraguay have rescinded their non-extradition and U.S. military immunity laws, as conditions for membership in trade groups like Mercosur. So the involvement of Bush Junta leaders--and ancillary people, such as U.S. military commanders and private 'contractors'-- in death squad murders, drug trafficking and other crimes in Colombia--could become subject to prosecution. It is not the 'news' that our corporate rulers and war profiteers fear; it is independent courts.

Also, I'm not sure there is unity among our corporate rulers and war profiteers. Honduras, for instance, certainly provided a picture of confusion for many months, as to U.S. policy. So there could be a lot of things going on re Colombia--for instance, Brownfield and Panetta disagreeing on strategies of cover up, and/or on war strategies. Brownfield is probably the most evil Bushwhack operative in Latin America (of the visible operatives). Panetta may be in the position of arbiter between the Bushwhacks and the Obama/Clinton people. One of his missions is probably to heal the wounds of the Bushwhack/White House/Pentagon war on the CIA--and to get more coherence and unity on U.S. policy.

Anyway, I think the picture of Uribe planning a coup and Panetta arriving and saying, "No-no! We don't support coups," is too simple. The U.S. does support coups whenever it wants to--and the corpo-fascist press goes right along with it. That isn't the issue. The war plan (pretty obvious) and the cover-ups (La Macarena the tip of the iceberg?) are more likely the matter of the "inside inside story" and that story is hard to get at.

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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-23-10 08:49 PM
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25. deleted wrong place
Edited on Sun May-23-10 08:49 PM by Bacchus39
n/t
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