Marco Rubio acceptance speech

[Billy Burnett]

For all herein, but I posted this for my long time friend Judi Lynn.
Judi and I have been "dialoging" with exiles online over Cuba since the Elian days.
We have seen and discussed the RWers long term planning for over 10 years.
Much of it coming to fruition.
Example ...

Marco Rubio acceptance speech
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1XGXFufq14

[Mika]

1. It was because of you two that I started engaging here.

I was reading yours and Judi's (as well as many others) postings over on the CNN forums back then, although I didn't post there.
When CNN announced that it was shutting down their forums Billy recommended this new reality based discussion forum called DU. That's how I got here.

To Judi and Billy - thanks for fighting the good fight for all of these years. :toast:

And to all of the other peace loving wonderful people here doing the same thing. :toast:

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Listening to Rubio's acceptance speech gives me a sick churning in my gut. Everyone here should listen to the whole thing as a warning of what we'll be facing.

The collective punishment of Cubans in Cuba will be ratcheted up a few notches now. :(

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Much love to all of my friends. :loveya: :grouphug:

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[dipsydoodle]

2. ditto

:grouphug:

[social_critic]

3. It's a very good speech

I noticed he pushed all the buttons in this speech. Smart guy, he's positioning to move on up. I wonder, will he be smart enough to drop the embargo against Cuba? I'm a Cuban exile, and I think ending the embargo will help dethrone the Castro dinasty, and also allow evolution of the communist regime without a reversal to a military dictatorship or a quasi-colony status for Cuba.

[Billy Burnett]

4. He has no plans to push the end of US sanctions. He uses Cuba as a footstool.

The best thing to happen to the miscreant faction of the exilio community is the Castro family.
It is the Castros they have made their political careers running against. Believe me, they don't want that to end. That's why the elected Cuban exiles have consistently pushed for ever increased sanctions on the island's people.

I agree with you on the useless and harmful nature of the US sanctions.
It has put Cuba in a defensive posture since, and, as you know, people rally around their successful leadership when under duress (shit, even the vast majority of Americans rallied behind an election stealing tyrant like W when feeling threatened, post 911).
No Castro = no US anti Castro lobby. Hence, we get ever increasing sanctions that rally the Cuban people in solidarity behind their leadership. Mission accomplished.


Many of my Miami friends are 1st or 2nd gen Cubans/Cuban-Americans. I have no beef with Cuban exiles per say. Just the ones who support the collective punishment of their brethren in Cuba, and those using unfounded propaganda to support it.


Cheers

[social_critic]

5. I don't think they support embargo to punish Cubans

They support the embargo because they are stubborn, and they hate Fidel Castro. When Castro dies, the whole thing will go away, to them it's very personal. I know because my mother and her friends used to discuss it. And my mother used to be a Castro supporter, she just felt he became a megalomaniac and betrayed the revolution by making the country a lackey of the Soviet empire, so she left and decided she wanted to have nothing to do with politics...other than she lived in Florida and voted for whomever said they would put a squeeze on Fidel.

Because we left quite a few years after Fidel took over, we were able to see the way he ran things, and I do believe he betrayed a lot of people to make himself a dictator. He was a smart man, but also very proud and arrogant, and would accept no criticism. This seems to be a common outcome, when communism is implemented it lacks the checks and balances to power, and a single individual annoints himself as cesar. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Kim Il Sung, Castro, are all examples of this failure.

Venezuela's Chavez is evolving in this direction, but he seems to be less intelligent than Castro, making his current path clearly unsustainable. He's ruining the economy while at the same time allowing crime and corruption to increase in ways the common people find unacceptable. I mention this because Cuba and Venezuela are linked, if Venezuela implodes, then Cuba's last chance to get an outside boost will vanish, and the Castro dinasty will have to accelerate change towards a market economy, hopefully it would become a socialist country which remains independent of US imperialism.

On the other hand, as Cuba changes away from communism, it is less and less able to help Chavez implement a Castroite dictatorship. I don't see the Venezuelans around Chavez able to get much accomplished on their own, they are focused on stealing, rather than governance. Maybe we'll see a miracle, and the two can evolve towards a pragmatic form of socialism, something like the Swedes and Norwegians have. I doubt it, though. Latinamericans lack the sense of nationality and focus on the common good necessary for such a state to evolve. They are not real nations, more like a collection of tribes which have failed to coalesce.

[flamingdem]

6. Are you Cuban-American? nt

[dipsydoodle]

8. see post #5 here

for the answer. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=405x43881#43903

[flamingdem]

9. That is too vague to say where our new poster is coming from

and so far most of the posts sound eerily familiar

[Billy Burnett]

10. Yep. Very Muddled.

:hi:

[social_critic]

14. Yes. I am a leftist Cuban American.

I was young at the time, but my family was into the Revolution up to their necks. We were so close to Fidel and Raul, I can't dare say who I am, because many of my relatives are still there, and they are in the government ranks. My parents had a difference of opinion, let us say, and eventually we left. Our side thought it was a really bad idea to fight US imperialism by making Cuba a lackey of Soviet Imperialism. As they say, from Guatemala a Guatepeor. Fidel sucks, he betrayed the revolution, and the rest of history. he'll die, and then we'll get to start all over, let's hope.

[Billy Burnett]

20. I admire the bravery of the ex-Cuban "exiles" as you describe.

Run for the comfort of American largess, and then wait for the evil Dr Castro to die.

Great plan.

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That is a brave strategy to be admired by Americans far and wide. :sarcasm:

[social_critic]

22. We are exiles.

Had little choice, either go to jail, get murdered, or flee. Those who did stay and tried to make the communists change went to jail. Most of them died, or were released - into exile. The best solution is passive resistance. They can take the island, destroy it as they have, and we'll go back when they change their minds. But there's no way to reason with a committed marxist, or a person who is into personality worship of a maximum leader, or for that matter an arrogant maximum leader who thinks he is god's gift to humanity and kills anybody who is willing to debate his wisdom.

I won't be insulted by your "sarcasm", it's the sarcasm of a naive bystander who doesn't understand the extent of repression in these regimes. And I sure hope you never have to taste it. I used to have nightmares after I left Cuba. All exactly the same: I dreamed I was back in Cuba. It happens to many of us, we are traumatized by the sheer despair and visions of the abuse we had to endure.

[Billy Burnett]

24. I see.

Hang out here living it up on American largess, then after evil Castro dies, and IF there's change, you'll head on back to the capitalist paradise it once was.

Impressive, and very brave.

I feel for your suffering bad dreams in your youth. Good thing your family ran. That way you can carry on about your suffering bad dreams :nopity: all the while Cubans in Cuba do the heavy lifting to repair the damages done and bringing Cuba up to a standard of decency not attained prior to the Revolution.

Self proclaimed freedom fighting Miami Cuban exiles are a shining example to freedom fighters the world over. :sarcasm: Running like chickenshit cowards, like Ghandi, MLK, Frank Little, etc.

[Judi Lynn]

25. "Exiles" like Orlando Bosch have to beg their friends who have wormed their way

into powerful positions like the she-wolf Ileana Ros-Lehtinen to run interference for them when up to THIRTY-TWO OTHER COUNTRIES won't allow them to enter after they blow up airliners in flight, mass murdering, bombing innocent people to try to intimidate Cubans into overthrowing their government just to get the terrorism to stop.

Worthless, disgusting scums. And to think they are actually celebrities in Miami, and with certain U.S. right-wing idiots.

The only justification for their evil they ever have is the spectacularly stupid propaganda, colossal whoppers they spew. Lunatics, childish, selfish scumballs, wanting to put the island back the way it was when the true maggots rode herd there, and kept life hopeless for the vast majority.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk.nyud.net:8090/1AAbosch1.jpg

http://blogs.miaminewtimes.com.nyud.net:8090/riptide/terrorist_luis_posada_carriles.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com.nyud.net:8090/_5yd3VF63CCc/Sd1Yo2A75eI/AAAAAAAAHi8/1cwLSigjl-4/s400/Cari+Roque+Posada+Carriles.JPG http://machetera.files.wordpress.com.nyud.net:8090/2010/03/posada-carriles-en-miami-1-580x452.jpg



Santiago Alvarez, jerk who smuggled a-hole terrorist Posada back into the U.S.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk.nyud.net:8090/JFKnaverette.jpg

Ricardo "Mono" Morales Navarette, another mass murdering bomber
and former Batista-employed thug in Cuba before the Revolution.

http://rreloj.files.wordpress.com.nyud.net:8090/2008/10/5127.jpg

Eduardo Arocena, who gave testimony at his trial
after he murdered a UN deplomat, stating he had
carried in containers of biological warfare materials
to Cuba for the C.I.A. Testimony on record after he
slaughtered Felix Garcia Rodgriguez.
So many of these criminals infested Miami the F.B.I. named Miami "America's Terror Capital" years ago.

[naaman fletcher]

27. Does this apply also to the displaced of Colombia?

Should they be derided for not staying in Colombia to help do the heavy lifting?

[Judi Lynn]

28. Displaced of Colombia? Otherwise known as the 2nd greatest humanitarian crisis in the world?

Those displaced people driven out of their homes, the survivors, at least, of massacres, death threats, after neighbors, family members have been tortured, some tortured to death, made public displays for the purpose of striking fear, panic into the minds of the human community? The people whose land is sold to international corporations so they can hire Colombians to work at slave wages, with no safety controls, no insurance, no benefits of any kinds, no ability to strike without being tortured and murdered by death squads?

Those "displaced of Colombia?"

Sad, Hideously sad.

[Bacchus39]

29. really??? I wonder what Haitians would say about that

or those from Congo. Colombias displaced are those who have moved away, involuntarily under threat, nonetheless they are not living in conditions anywhere near those in places such as Haiti and parts of Africa. they are not living in tent cities like in Haiti subject to violence and disease. they have moved elsewhere.

[naaman fletcher]

30. Yes, them.

Are they cowards for not staying? I'm just wondering when it is ok to flee. It was not ok to flee having Castro take your land. Am trying to find out where the line is.

[Judi Lynn]

31. You need to know a lot more about the subject, clearly.In no possible way can they be compared. n/t

[naaman fletcher]

32. lame answer.

The point was made that anyone who fled castro is a coward. Sure, Colombia is worse. My question was, where is the line drawn? Is it at the taking of property? Putting homosexuals in jail (like castro used to do), or must it be outright killing?

You are unwilling to engage in the conversation.

[social_critic]

23. And another little point

Most of us are more Cuban than you think. I was told by the Cuban consulate in a third world country where I was visiting that as far as they are concerned, I'm a Cuban citizen, and I can have my Cuban passport whenever I want it. Which is an option I don't exercise because I would lose my US citizenship. This doesn't preclude that I may choose to change later.

Many of us may indeed go back if we think we can be free, and can try to salvage the country from the destruction brought upon it by the communists. I think you'll see that, once the dictatorship is gone, most Cubans will not be joining the Communist party.

Today's communist parties in Eastern Europe are small, weak, bereft of any solid ideas - communists in formally communists countries are dinosaurs, they can't sell that garbage to the people, and they know it. The only "communists" I see having some success are similar to the Chinese "communists" who are now peddling savage capitalism and try to keep a lid on the proletariate as they become the noveau riche of the brave new Chinese Empire.

[Billy Burnett]

26. More Cuban?

socia critica --> "I was told by the Cuban consulate in a third world country where I was visiting that as far as they are concerned, I'm a Cuban citizen, and I can have my Cuban passport whenever I want it. Which is an option I don't exercise because I would lose my US citizenship."

An uninformed horse's ass would believe that you'd lose your US citizenship if you also possess a Cuban passport.
What a pantload of BS. Nearly all of my Cuban expat friends are American citizens and Cuban citizens, and they have their Cuban passports.
It is now obvious that you know next to nothing about US/Cuba immigration/citizenship issues. Like certain other posters of your ilk, now tombstoned, you simply make shit up about it.
This causes many here to doubt the veracity of most all of your claims - even of actually being an actual Cuban "exile".
Not having a Cuban passport puts you in the category of "ex Cuban".


At least you're consistent in your stated desire to bravely fight for freedom sit back enjoying America's comforts and protections, freedom fighting waiting for Castro to die before you return to the island your family turned tail and ran away from - skipping the heavy lifting Cuba seriously needed.

[Billy Burnett]

7. Denial as wide as a river.

Nice of you to demonstrate it so well.

[social_critic]

15. As they say in Chicago, BS

And I don't think you got the foggiest idea of what goes on anywhere. Tell us about the way we Cubans think, and I'll tell you how Martians think. We'll both be as close to reality as can be. And if you think I'm not connected, I got a Cuban sitting next to me who just left the island, and who is praying Raul will win his fight with Fidel. Something I'm sure you yankee wanabe revolutionaries know nothing about.

[flamingdem]

17. You sound like the Jr. version of some familiar posters here

This is something they'd love to say but we know they aren't Cuban, you supposedly are so you get to trash people from that "priviledged" vantage point. Really working on your welcome here, ay compay?

>>quote: Something I'm sure you yankee wanabe revolutionaries know nothing about.

[Judi Lynn]

18. I've heard time after time the new immigrants are very non-political.

They are even called "immigrants" by the corporate media, and have been for many years.

Even corporate media has moved on, for the most part. They seem to be slightly aware the people of the U.S. in general have NO rancor toward the Cuban revolution. Most people are curious about why this government has continued the rancor, hostility so long, being unaware that the Cuban "exile" politicians in the States use the issue for campaign purposes, and for rallying the troops of the still living original exiles and their gullible progeny for support, emotional and financial.

Sad.

Of course they got new life when some of the right-wing Venezuelan porkers started buying up a lot of homes in South Florida, and bonding with them for a common anti-progressive cause. They even used one of those Saturdays the entire rest of the world was scheduling mass protests everywhere to protest _{George W. Bush's} pending attack on Iraq to stage their own anti-Chavez protest through Little Havana, inviting the two men involved in the coup and the bosses' work lockout of workers, the President of Fedecameras, the Chamber of Commerce, and the union head, a real criminal who has been taking N.E.D. money by the boatload to organize political resistance to the elected President.

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org.nyud.net:8090/venezuela/march-04.jpg

U.S.-paid labor boss, Carlos Ortega, white t-shirt, business
leader,Pedro Carmona,to his right,anti-Chavez coup plotters,
and leaders of the labor lock-out (strike), as guests of the
Cuban right-wing "exiles" in Miami, in an anti-Chavez parade
on a day the REST OF THE WORLD was in the streets, protesting
_Bush's Iraq war.
What a bunch of creeps, these hardliner reactionaries. Violent, too.

[Billy Burnett]

19. Not Cuban.

Ex-Cuban.

Like these heartwarming ex-Cubans ...

[Judi Lynn]

21. Wow, love that photo of Lincoln Diaz-Balart!

He looks like Saturday Night Live's Greg the Alien!



This is a group of aliens after Greg multiplied himself!

[Judi Lynn]

11. Just listened to that fine Marco Rubio speech, Billy Burnett. He's standing at the edge of greatness

in his own mind!

He hopes we will all pray with him that he will stay humble!

It's a little late for that, isn't it?

There's nothing which will ever get him out of that seat, not even the old favorite "exile" terrorist tool, C-4, not ever. Apparently the little twerp imagines the sky is the limit for him now.

You could tell at the first word, by the dull droning of his voice, he's as dumb as a rock. That's what it takes to be a Republican.

What a wretched pity.

If only there had been more communication between Meeks and Crist, long ago, Rubio wouldn't have been compelled to swell up his chest and blow hard and dull for his big moment.

This will be interesting to watch, as little Rubio struggles to stay as wonderful as he is right now. :eyes: It's so sad Florida had a chance to send a far more rational human being, and voted against it.

Thanks for sharing the link, Billy Burnett. I'll bet there'll be a big celebration in Miami over this, but at least they won't throw fits and burn tires in the streets and fly the US flag upside down as they did when Elian returned to Cuba with his father!

[flamingdem]

12. CNN was drooling over him, citing his humbleness and good looks

What are they thinking, dumbo ears and bland teaparty eyed look.

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[Billy Burnett]

13. It burns, Judi. It burns.

It burns to have my worst fears about American gullibility buttressed by an outcome like this.

Gotta hand it to 'em. They had a strict plan, devious and misrepresentative, and they stuck to it.

:hi: