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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-20-11 10:07 AM
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WikiLeaks: Lula was afraid of Venezuela's purchase of Russian aircrafts

http://english.eluniversal.com/2011/01/19/en_pol_esp_wikileaks:-lula-was_19A5010371.shtml

The former Brazilian president expressed his concern to his US counterpart

Former Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva (2003-2011), was concerned about the possible purchase of Russian military aircrafts by Venezuela in 2005, as disclosed by whistleblower website WikiLeaks, reported Brazilian newspaper Folha de Sao Paulo.

According to a US secret diplomatic cable leaked by WikiLeaks, Lula told then US President George W. Bush (2001-2009) that he was concerned about a likely "power imbalance in South America," if Caracas purchased military aircrafts from Russia or from other countries rather than from Empresa Brasileña de Aeronáutica (Embraer), DPA reported.

At that time, Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez tried to purchase 20 Brazilian Super Tucano aircrafts to Embraer but the United States vetoed the transaction.



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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 10:19 AM
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1. What crap! As a close friend and ally of Chavez, Lula was pulling Uncle Sam's beard!
First of all, this is the entire El (Non) Universal article. No quotes of the cable. No comment by Lula or Chavez. Absolutely no context or background, and at least one big black hole where information should be: That the U.S. refused to let Venezuela obtain replacement parts for U.S aircraft that it had purchased. The U.S. was, in effect, inflicting an embargo (an act of war) on Venezuela with absolutely no cause to do so, except that Venezuelans had defied the U.S. by turning back the U.S. supported rightwing coup d'etat in 2002!

Secondly, Chavez and Lula are close friends and allies, met monthly to discuss common goals and projects, and Lula often had Chavez's back in disputes with the U.S., in addition to being a sharp critic of U.S. interference in Latin America himself, and actually more defiant of U.S. dictates than Chavez in some respects--for instance, on Honduras and Iran.

When the U.S. (Bush Junta) reconstituted the U.S. 4th Fleet in the Caribbean (mothballed since WW II), in 2008, Lula said that it was "a threat to Brazil's oil," and proposed a South American "common defense" within the context of UNASUR (an all-South American EU prototype that the U.S. has NOT been invited to be a member of, formalized that same summer). This and numerous other statements and actions of Lula da Silva leave no doubt whatsoever WHO Lula feared and opposed as a threat to Latin America's peace, sovereignty and well-being.

Thirdly, how was it that the U.S. had any say in Brazilian contracts with Venezuela? The U.S. was exercising whatever bully power it could gain over sovereign countries, for instance, blackmailing third parties on its war-like embargo of Cuba, such that a ship carrying anything at all, even minor cargo, to Cuba, was forbidden to then dock at U.S. ports. Why the U.S. was carrying out this insane and cruel embargo of Cuba against the opinion of the entire world can be laid to connections of the CIA with the Miami mafia and the bloody Batista fascists who were subsidized by our tax dollars and leveraged this support into untoward power over U.S. foreign policy.

Nuts, in other word. (The Miami mafia were the first "Tea Partyers.")

So, Lula tells the HATED U.S. and its envoy that Brazil is "concerned" about the "balance of power" in order to get the fucking U.S. to BACK OFF from its lawless embargo of Venezuela, so Brazil can help Venezuela replace old military equipment that the U.S. won't let it replace! 'Well, they'll get it from Russia,' he says (pulling Uncle Sam's beard). Asshole, mass killer, lawless, brain-dead Bush Jr or his puppeteers won't back off from whatever blackmail they are exercising over Brazil's military contracts and Chavez goes ahead with the Russian purchase.

And El (Non) Universal has put the word "afraid" in the title of this propagandistic bit of disinformation possibly at the behest of the CIA or in their own twisted effort to make people stupid.

The one thing that the U.S. multinational corporations and war profiteers who rule the roost in Washington hate the most, and want most sorely to "divide and conquer," is the UNITY among Latin America's leftist leaders. El (Non) Universal has taken its cue from its masters to promulgate the absurd notion that Lula was "afraid" of Chavez or Russia. Lula certainly wanted those contracts for Brazil but he wasn't "afraid" of anybody--least of all Chavez--and if anybody gave him "concern," it was the U.S. of A., the current and historical bully and ravager of Latin America.

Lula was arrested and imprisoned by the U.S.-supported fascist tyrants in Brazil, and his chief of staff, who was just elected president of Brazil to succeed him, was a leftist guerrilla imprisoned and horribly tortured by that U.S.-backed regime. These leaders are TOTALLY AWARE of what the U.S. has done to Latin America in the past and what they have done, and have tried to do, recently. They are systematically--and, indeed, passionately--forging political/economic alliances with other leftist leaders to COUNTER U.S. interference and to achieve Latin American independence. This is the background that El (Non) Universal, of course, doesn't fill in, and why they don't seek quotes from Lula or Chavez, so they can get "afraid" into their headline before it gets contradicted.

Such slimebags.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 10:33 AM
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2. wow, someone sounds angry. EL Universal got the story from a Brazilian paper
Edited on Fri Jan-21-11 10:33 AM by Bacchus39
http://search.folha.com.br/search?q=Chavez&site=jornal

its number 4 and you have to register. I am not sure it will do you much good though since its in Portuguese but the blurb says Brazil didn't want Chavez to obtain the planes.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 12:35 PM
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5. It's baloney. Lula wasn't "afraid" of Chavez having the planes
since he was willing to sell them to him. Lula wanted the deal to go to Brazil, not to the Russians.

Misleading headline.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 12:39 PM
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6. I would have used the word "fear" to translate the article. please provide evidence...
that Lula was going to sell aircraft to Venezuela. and, if they are such great buddies, why didn't it happen??

misleading post above.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 12:52 PM
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7. Brazil buys aircraft from other nations, it does not manufacture them
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social_critic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 05:47 PM
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8. Brazil does build Tucano fighters.
The Tucanos are pretty good fighters - designed for counter-insurgency warfare. The Brazilians do buy jets from abroad. If I were them, I would buy Swedish, they're getting a pretty good offer. But the word is out they'll buy French.

Lula wasn't really Chavez' "friend". Lula was very keen on having Brazilian companies profit in Venezuela, and they knew Venezuela doesn't pay its bills very well, so a "close relationship" was useful to make sure they got their money. But it's fairly well known, and the Wiki cables confirm this, that Lula, Dilma, and the Brazilian leadership in general are afraid of Chavez's unstable behavior. They see him as a potential threat, but feel it's better to let him dig his own grave by destroying Venezuela's economy. And he IS destroying it. So in the future he'll just be the communist dictator of a very large banana republic.
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Zorro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 10:41 AM
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3. Wouldn't it have been better
if Chavez spent that money on fighting crime in Caracas and building homes for the poor instead of buying jets from Russia?
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-21-11 11:40 AM
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4. An embargo is an act of war?
So you think that I should be allowed to sell arms to Northern Sudan? Are we at war with them?


That being said, I agree with you 100% that US foreign policy towards Chavez was screwed. It reminds me a lot like Castro in that we forced them to run to our enemies. Had we left him alone and sold him aircraft parts, etc. things would be fine with us.

the problem of course is that a Chavez presidency threatens US business interests, so therefore we do what we do.
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social_critic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 05:54 PM
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9. Chavez' threat is more baloney than real
He's running out of money, the Venezuelan people don't support him anymore, and he's a blowhard who surrounds himself with idiots. Obama's doing the right thing, ignoring the guy and letting him stew in his own soup.

But the suffering of the Venezuelan people is no joking matter. As they flee their country, and the ones who remain are left in chains, Venezuela will be seen as another in a long list of nations wrecked by fools. Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Papa Doc Duvalier, Anastasio Somoza, Kim Il Sung, Saddam Hussein, Mobutu Sese Seko, Hugo Chavez...the list is long.
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