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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 01:06 AM
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Chile requests Bolivia not to bring maritime demand to OAS
Chile requests Bolivia not to bring maritime demand to OAS
12:37, May 28, 2011

A Chilean official on Friday urged Bolivia not to present its maritime demand to the Organization of America States (OAS).

Eugenio Tuma, president of the Foreign Affairs Commission of Chile's Senate, said Bolivian President Evo Morales "was wrong to say that the OAS must intervene" in the century-long maritime dispute between the two countries.

Landlocked Bolivia has been demanding neighboring Chile restore an exit to the sea taken from Bolivia in the 1879-1883 War of the Pacific, after which Bolivia was cut off from the ocean.

On Thursday, Morales demanded Chile present a formal negotiation proposal for Bolivia to recover its exit to the sea during the upcoming 41th OAS General Assembly slated for June 5-7 in El Salvador.

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http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90852/7393669.html
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-28-11 02:50 PM
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1. Chile's leftist government (Michele Batchelet) settled this matter with Bolivia in 2008-2009.
Then the rightwing (pro-corporate, "neo-liberal") Chilean government of billionaire president Sebastián Piñera high-handedly undid that settlement.

Meanwhile, Peru (rightwing, "neo-liberal" government run by the corrupt Alan Garcia regime) also tried to throw monkey wrenches into that agreement.

This all goes back to a war that occurred a hundred years ago.

The rightwing always causing trouble--divisiveness, anger, unfairness, kneejerk "nationalism" ("We're No. 1! You're nothing!"), bullying the weak or those at a disadvantage, puffing themselves up.

The leftwing always looking for SOLUTIONS--cooperation, peace, negotiation, "raising all boats."

And I think it is no coincidence that the troublemakers, Chile and Peru, are among the few U.S. allies in the region. U.S. corporations and war profiteers HATE the leftist governments that now have majority power in Latin America. Anything that causes trouble for them serves U.S. corporate/war profiteer interests, but, more than this, the new cooperative spirit that leftist leaders have brought to the region is a specific target of those U.S. interests, for, among other things, that spirit--the cooperative spirit of the leftist democracy revolution--creates collective regional clout in dealing with bullying and domination by the U.S., through instruments like the IMF/World Bank, the WTO, U.S. banksters and the "blue-eyed wonders of Wall Street," specific U.S.-based transglobal corporations like Exxon Mobil and through the Pentagon's ambitions in the region and its "war on drugs" facade.

Michele Batchelet reached the agreement with Bolivia--to give Bolivia back a tiny, tiny bit of sovereign land on the coast to launch boats and create a bit of sea trade--in the context of a U.S. instigated/funded/organized white separatist insurrection in Bolivia, with the U.S. (Bush Junta) trying to topple the Morales government and split Bolivia in two, with the white separatists controlling Bolivia's main gas reserves (Bolivia's chief natural resource). Morales threw the U.S. ambassador and the DEA out of Bolivia, for their collusion on this violent insurrection, and UNASUR, headed by Batchelet, in its first official action, intervened, in strong support of the Morales government, and helped end the insurrection. Morales, the first Indigenous president of Bolivia, has something like a 70% approval rating in Bolivia--and represents an enormously important political revolution on a par with the end of apartheid in South Africa. The leftist governments of Brazil and Argentina (Bolivia's chief gas customers) also brought economic pressure to bear to end the violent insurrection. Brazil, Venezuela and others put up money to connect Bolivia to the new superhighway coming across South America from Brazil. And Chile/Batchelet settled this century old dispute to give Bolivia access to the sea once again.

After Venezuela in 2002 (the people peacefully defeating a U.S.-backed coup d'etat), this was the most important event in Latin American history--the region uniting to defeat a U.S.-backed coup and to bolster the government that was under attack with economic and political aid.

It is this cooperative spirit that is now under attack by rightwing governments. And I think that it is the No. 1 strategy of the U.S. State Department, for serving U.S. corporate/war profiteer interests in the region, to "divide and conquer" the newly cooperating countries. Their biggest fear is that these leftist governments will create a "level playing field" in Latin America (--South America is well on its way to this already) in which U.S. -based transglobals have to compete for contracts and resources and have to obey the rules and regs of truly sovereign, democratic countries. They, of course, abhor democracy, as well as cooperation and unity among their traditional victims.

Batchelet (Chile) tried to "raise all boats"--giving Bolivia a break, a chance at a bit of sea trade. Lula da Silva (Brazil) and Nestor Kirchner (Argentina) joined in, helping to keep Bolivia together and its gas resource in tact. Several others joined in, in different ways. More rightwing bloodshed was averted. Democracy held. Bolivia, with its first truly democratic government, was launched as a healthy ally and trading partner.

One other feature of democracy that the U.S and its corporate/war profiteer masters abhor is the use of Latin American natural resources to benefit the poor majority--a very strong feature of the new leftist governments. They are committed to social justice within their borders, as well as to social justice among nations, with no one bullying anyone else and all benefitting.

All this must be undermined, sabotaged, lied about and defeated, to make the super-rich richer and to enhance their ungodly power. This seemingly small, local dispute is not small and local at all. It is a paradigm of the struggle taking place in Latin America. I suspect that that is why Evo Morales is taking this dispute to the OAS. It could well be a test case as to whether or not the U.S.-dominated OAS can serve the interests of the people of Latin America, versus the new Latin America-only regional group, CELAC, which does not have the U.S. or its lackey Canada as members.



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Standanista Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-11 11:26 PM
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2. Not quite right alas
Peace Patriot:

While I've followed these forums regularly in the past, I was compelled to join this site just to respond to your post.

You make many good general observations, but I feel you're taking an overly-simple, broad-context left-versus-right view on what ultimately is a local, tripartisan border dispute. Thus it has ever been since the end of the War of the Pacific, long before the 1904 treaty to which you refer, and regardless of the political bent of respective governments.

Bachelet and Morales never resolved the sovereign "salida al mar" issue in 2008-09. What they certainly had in place were discussions over the "agenda de 13 puntos", of course, an agenda that is still on the table, albeit stymied given Bolivia's (today failed) tabling of a motion at the OEA and related sabre-rattling from the Chilean defence minister. Evo initially worked well with Piñera, by the way.

The Bachelet dialogue, despite her obvious progressive credentials, can be seem as nothing more than an extension of stock Chilean policy towards Bolivia over the decades: in the end, keep the Bolivians talking and certainly be prepared to make genuine concessions, but in terms of a territorial concession, concede nothing. End of the day, Bachelet conceded nothing to Evo.

I hope to see a resolution, but doubtless this must be done in line with the following:

MUST HAVES
Bolivia: Contiguous and sovereign access to the Pacific, with a viable location for a deep sea port (e.g. a 10km franja north of Arica).
Chile: An according swap of territory, probably in the Silalla/Lauca areas given the water issues.

NICE TO HAVE
Bolivia: Chilean monetary and technical assistance in establishing port facilities (take a look at Puerto Busch as an example of what happens when Bolivia is left to develop these things alone), plus further reparations than the paltry GBP300k-and-a-train-track in 1904 for loss of the Litoral.
Chile: Preferntial access for her products to Brazil, and a lifting on the embargo which prevents them from buying Bolivian gas.

Ironically, the closest that Bolivia has ever got to resolving the issue of sovereign Pacific access was not under a left-leaning, progressive or democratic government, but when Banzer and Pinochet agreed territorial swaps. Ultimately this was blocked by Peru, given the clause in the Chileno-Peruvian treaty which says that any ceding of former Peruvian territory to a third party (read Bolivia) can only be done with agreement of Peru itself. There are two big maybes in this of course: 1. Was Pinochet simply playing games, knowing that Peru would always veto any accord, and 2. With the victory of Ollanta, will Peru be more predisposed to cede claims over lost territory and help to get this longstanding issue sorted?
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gbscar Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 04:50 PM
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3. I wasn't aware of that. Thanks for the interesting and useful comments. (nt)
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Derechos Donating Member (892 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-11 08:52 PM
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4. Humala stated that
Humala reiteró la posición del Perú de no interrumpir nunca un acceso soberano al océano Pacífico para Bolivia.

“Nosotros cooperaremos en esta posición boliviana, no seremos un obstáculo, porque entendemos que ellos están pidiendo la salida por Arica y nosotros no seremos un obstáculo, queremos que Bolivia alcance un tema que históricamente fue de ellos, tener un acceso al mar”, dijo.

Rough translation

Humala reiterated Peru's position to never impede a sovereign access to the Pacific Ocean for Bolivia.

"We will cooperate with the Bolivian position, we will not be an obstacle, because we understand that they are asking for access via Arica (Chile) and we will not be an obstacle, we want Bolivia to achieve what they historically have wanted, to have access to the sea," he said.

http://www.eldia.com.bo/index.php?c=Portada&articulo=Ollanta-no-intervendra-en-conflicto-maritimo-entre-Bolivia-y-Chile&cat=1&pla=3&id_articulo=65047
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 09:54 AM
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9. Key words here are "acceso soberano"



For decades there has been talk about granting Bolivia a corridor to the sea winding up at Arica. Humala seems to be accepting that proposal.

But it would NOT be a slice of "soverign territory." That, Chile likely will NEVER grant.

Another factor that is hardly mentioned is that there is an important, hardcore (i.e. rightwing and nationalistic) sector of Chilean society that is totally opposed to the idea of giving Bolivia a way to the ocean.

Peru and Bolivia declared war on Chile in 1879. Chile won. It has been and continues to be the old adage "the spoils go to the victor."

Little known is that Chile lost a huge sector of territory to Argentina during the War of the Pacific. Argentina took advantage that Chile was busy fighting Peru and Bolivia and simply marched in and took a big chunk of Chile's Patagonia on the east side of the Cordillera de los Andes.

Chile accepts that historical fact and does not ask for its return.




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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 10:11 AM
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10. not even close to right actually, did you see this gem???



"Michele Batchelet reached the agreement with Bolivia--to give Bolivia back a tiny, tiny bit of After Venezuela in 2002 (the people peacefully defeating a U.S.-backed coup d'etat), this was the most important event in Latin American history--the region uniting to defeat a U.S.-backed coup and to bolster the government that was under attack with economic and political aid."

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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 01:09 AM
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5. OAS wimps out on resolution supporting Bolivia


So for Chile it was a victory of sorts in the useless OAS, which is headed by Insulza, a Chilean.

Interesting what Humala had to say, but what is not known is whether he supports a corridor to the sea near Arica through what was once Peruvian territory, or further south in what was Bolivia's litoral (Pacific coastline).

--------------------

OAS Fails to Take Action in Bolivia-Chile Maritime Dispute

Posted: Matthew Grace on Jun 08 | Business & Economy, International

The 41st assembly of the Organization of American States declined to vote on a resolution supporting Bolivia’s maritime against Chile. Bolivian foreign minister David Choquehuanca addressed the assembly for nearly a half an hour in a bid to gain support; he also denounced Chile’s unwillingness to work with Bolivia to find a solution.

Meanwhile, Peruvian president-elect Ollanta Humala reiterated his support for the Bolivian maritime claim, yet also insisted the dilemma should be worked out between Chile and Bolivia, without Peru’s intervention.

The Bolivian government has been seeking an international audience in order to pressure Chile into allowing access to the Pacific Ocean. The Chilean government insists that the problem would be best solved through bilateral negotiations, without outside influence from other countries or organizations.

Bolivia lost 400 kilometers of coastal territory and 120,000 square kilometers of land at the conclusion of the War of the Pacific in the late 19th century..

http://www.boliviaweekly.com/oas-fails-to-take-action-in-bolivia-chile-maritime-dispute/2130/

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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 05:56 AM
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6. Too bad OAS couldn't do something helpful before it's outmoded altogether.
Looks as if Pinera's not going to make it easy, is he? Why would a neighbor WANT to keep another country in such a disadvantaged position with pilfered land, anyway?

Thanks for the update.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 07:21 AM
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8. Chileans don't want to give up their territory maybe?
and any politician that gives up territory is toast. Humala has an easy position to take since the territory doesn't belong to Peru any longer anyway.

Chile would no longer border Peru either so there are some logistical issues, and Bolivia would likely have to give up territory in exchange.

so its really not just as simple as gift of amoung brothers as some would believe.
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Bacchus39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-09-11 07:17 AM
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7. OAS made up of member state reps, any other regional organization will be just
Edited on Thu Jun-09-11 07:22 AM by Bacchus39
as useless.
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