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gbscar Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:04 AM
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Uribe and I did not trust one another: Ex-President of Brazil
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Uribe and I did not trust one another: Ex-President of Brazil
Friday, 05 August 2011 07:10
Matt Snyder

Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva, the former president of Brazil, said Thursday that he and ex-President Alvaro Uribe "had a good relationship" but "did not trust one another."

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"I'm sure that President Santos and President Dilma Rousseff (the current president of Brazil) can do much more than President Uribe and I did."

Uribe was quick to attack from his Twitter account. He accused Da Silva of being a "sore loser" and stated that the Brazilian had been incapable of extraditing the "terrorist Camilo" or of confronting Hugo Chavez in public. "Bravo, because we beat him in his bid with Luis A. Moreno," added Uribe.

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The former Brazilian president added that he thought that "Colombia already has serious internal problems with the FARC and I think that peace with its neighbors is what can allow Colombia and Brazil or Colombia and other nations to have an extraordinary development."

http://www.colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/18122-uribe-and-i-did-not-trust-one-another-ex-president-of-brazil.html
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gbscar Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:15 AM
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1. Colombia-Brazil border security agreement signed
Colombia-Brazil border security agreement signed
Thursday, 04 August 2011 16:38
Toni Peters

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The aim of the plan is to “strengthen on a political and strategic level bilateral relations, in terms of security, and identify the illicit activities that constitute risks and threats to frontier security, with the objective of increasing the ability to confront them in a united manner,” said the minister of defense in a communiqué.

Also at the meeting were Colombian Vice President Angelino Garzon and his Brazilian counterpart Michel Temer. Colombia and Brazil share a 1,022 mileland border in an area with a small population which also suffers from the presence of illegal armed groups, especially guerrilla and narco trafficking and arms trafficking groups.

http://www.colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/18118-colombia-brazil-border-security-agreement-signed-.html
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:56 AM
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2. Uribe sure is coming off like a dick in his tweets
And thin-skinned. Dude relax and enjoy your retirement. Be dignified and above it all, would have been my advice.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 07:36 PM
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3. "Be dignified and above it all"? Yeah, like the mafia 'don' he is. Always with the dignity and
the nice suits. Churchgoers, even.

Sorry, but calling the criminal responsible for the bloodbath in Colombia, against trade unionists and others, "dude," is offensive. And advising him to be "dignified" and "above it all" is ludicrous. The Colombian prosecutors just arrested his 2nd in command on his vast, illegal, domestic spying operation and prep of death "lists," and have issued an Interpol warrant for his chief of spying operations, who absconded to Panama. Some 70 of this closest political cohorts are under investigation or already prosecuted and in jail for ties to the death squads, bribery, drug trafficking and other crimes. Further, a Jesuit priest from Uribe's home base in Antiquoa recently wrote to his Jesuit brothers at Georgetown U. (alumnus, George Tenet, to give you a notion of the ties between the U.S. government and Georgetown U.) begging them not to honor Uribe with an academic sinecure because of his ties to the death squads in Antiquoa--his earliest "career" move.

I hope the Colombian prosecutors can nail this bastard, but I think he knows too much about Jr.'s junta for that to happen, and will end up living a life of luxury in Miami--"dignified" and "above it all."
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naaman fletcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 08:03 PM
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4. I think you missed my point
I don't disagree with you, I just surprised he is acting like this as opposed to acting like both Bush's ie quietly fading away. That is the smart thing to do in that position.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-05-11 10:48 PM
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5. This just tells me he's a rung or two down in the organization, compared to "made men" like
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld. He is not fully protected and can be jettisoned, if necessary. I don't think he will be, because there is just too much that is being covered up about the Bush Junta in Colombia, but he IS vulnerable (in the way that blackmailers are vulnerable). Ergo, he has try to maintain his organization in Colombia and get back into power, where he and his cronies can not only feed from the trough with more impunity, but can use the levers of government to protect themselves, punish those who oppose them including killing those who oppose them, continue consolidating the trillion+ dollar cocaine revenue stream (driving the peasants out, protecting the big drug lords who pay them off) and plying the fascists and war profiteers here for more billions in military and other U.S. government dollars, and "technical assistance" and "training" in the finer points of USAID/Pentagon-style "pacification," spying, bombing and other useful skills.

I thought that that Wikileaks revelation about Uribe pal Marinelli in Panama asking for U.S. assistance in spying on his "enemies" (to the U.S. ambassador) particularly telling, as to possible U.S. involvement in Uribe's spying (and death lists) in Colombia. Where did Martinelli GET the idea that the U.S. would do that if he asked?

The U.S. has a lot to cover up. Uribe has a lot to cover up that could put him in the slammer in Colombia (or with an Interpol warrant against him and Miami his only refuge). His stated ambition is to run for president again in Colombia. The Colombian constitution allows it but it would mean another round of brutal intimidation and probably a lot more murders, as he activates his network of thugs and "Black Eagles" (which is not quiescent even now--more murders of trade unionists just last week). Obama/Panetta/Clinton don't seem to like him, but seem obliged to protect and even coddle him. This gives him a platform to strut upon and a boost to his ambitions. THAT is why he has not "quietly faded away." His only real protection is to get back in power. And if Obama is retired by the powers-that-be here, and the scum who have taken over Congress take over the White House again, that will be his opportunity.

Before this Scumbag Congress was even seated, back in December '10, the Miami mafia contingent was already meeting and slavering over the prospects of a war against the leftists in Latin America. And they and Jim DeMint (SC-Diebold), John Negroponte, Otto Reich and the whole gang were intimately involved in the rightwing coup d'etat in Honduras, back in mid-"09, just after Obama was elected. Putting Uribe back in power in Colombia would be top of their "to do" list. Uribe may be counting on it. He met with Bush Sr and Bush Jr some months back. And if the Scumbag Congress succeeds in its mission of inducing Great Depression II, this will of course be blamed on Obama, Diebold will do its thing and that will be that.

Uribe NOT "quietly fading away" may be an important clue to Bushwhack plans.

Tell me, why do YOU think he hasn't "quietly faded away"? There are a number of possible explanations--though I think his intention to regain power is the best one.

I really don't think that it is explained by his not being "cool" (just can't keep his mouth shut), as you imply. Four congressmen in Colombia recently resigned from the committee that is investigating Uribe. Two of them admitted that they resigned because they had received death threats (and other two probably resigned for the same reason). Uribe may merely be using his network of thugs to prevent or interfere with investigation/prosecution, and feels he needs to be visible, needs to maintain bluster and arrogance, to "hearten" the troops--to keep the pressure on, to threaten and terrorize, including the threat of his return to power. If people like these congressmen think he might return to power, they sure don't want to be known as members of the committee that investigated him. Could be he's bluffing, maintaining the illusion that he could return to power.

But given the political situation here, I don't think so. Those who enthusiastically support his sort of rule--Murder, Inc. rule--could EASILY regain power here, and even the lame Democratic Party leadership is ambivalent about such rule. I think the only reason Panetta went down to Bogota (--his first visible action as CIA Director), when rumors of a Uribe coup to stay in power were rampant, was not to yank him because of his crimes, but to get some of the heat off, in a losing situation visa vis the many new leftist leaders of the region, and to do that, they needed to make a deal with him about protecting the Bush Junta. That's what that secretly negotiated U.S./Colombia military agreement was all about, that they got Uribe to sign in 2010, giving "total diplomatic immunity" to all U.S. military personnel and all U.S. military 'contractors' in Colombia. The U.S. political establishment doesn't care if thousands get murdered by thuggish regimes. But they sometimes care about how things LOOK.--or at least the Democrats do. (The U.S. State Department rigged elections in Honduras and Haiti tell us that). The Bushwhacks get back in power, and even appearances won't matter. And it could mean outright U.S. war on LatAm. Those attending that rightwing anti-LatAm-left congressional meeting late last year basically declared war, then and there. THIS is what Uribe may be prepping for--his return to power in Colombia with a fascist regime in the White House and a fascist Congress supporting his return.



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