Correa challenges Uribe to lie detector test on FARC, paramilitaries

[Judi Lynn]

Correa challenges Uribe to lie detector test on FARC, paramilitaries
Wednesday, 23 November 2011 08:23
Aylish O'Driscoll

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Ecuadorean president Rafael Correa on Tuesday challenged Colombia's former President Alvaro Uribe to both sit polygraph tests to answer allegations about ties to the FARC, paramilitaries and drug-trafficking.

The challenge followed Uribe's claims that Correa had taken a "benign position" with regards to FARC, a claim hotly denied by Correa, who responded by branding Uribe a "liar" and "unbalanced".

Correa offered to take a polygraph, or lie-detection test, to clarify his involvement with FARC, on the condition that Uribe would do likewise to make clear his own links to paramilitary and drug-traffickers. The challenge was subsequently dismissed by Uribe at an international press conference.

The Ecuadorean leader further alluded to Uribe's past description of the Colombian Army's March 2008 bombing of a FARC base in Ecuador as the result of a "hot pursuit" -- an attack which was subsequently revealed to have been planned. Ruptured diplomatic relations between Ecuador and Colombia following this attack were restored in late 2009.

http://colombiareports.com/colombia-news/news/20625-correa-challenges-uribe-to-lie-detector-test-on-farc-paramilitaries.html

[Peace Patriot]

1. Uribe taking a lie detector test would shatter U.S. foreign policy in LatAm.

This man is the keeper of many secrets. My guess as to the outline of some of them...

--U.S. embassy active support and liaison to Uribe's massive, illegal, domestic spying operation, using Colombia's intelligence agency, DAS. (DAS, under Uribe, is suspected of drawing up "hit lists" of trade unionists and other advocates of the poor for assassination by Colombia's military and rightwing paramilitary death squads. DAS was also spying on judges, prosecutors and opposition politicians.)

--U.S. ambassador (Wm Brownfield) colluding with Uribe to remove death squad witnesses from Colombia and bury them in the U.S. federal prison system, out of the reach of Colombian prosecutors and over their objections. (DAS spying on judges and prosecutors no doubt helped Brownfield/Uribe identify witnesses that had to be removed with sudden, midnight extraditions, in order to protect Uribe and his criminal network and "U.S. interests" in Colombia.)

--U.S. ambassador (Brownfield) colluding with Uribe on a U.S./Colombia military agreement that, among things, provided "total diplomatic immunity" for all U.S. military personnel and all U.S. military 'contractors' in Colombia--part of a coverup of the following...

--U.S. military participation in the bombing/raid on the FARC hostage release camp just inside Ecuador's border in 2008.

--U.S. military and/or U.S. military 'contractor' participation in massacres of civilians.

--Use of the U.S. "war on drugs" to consolidate the cocaine trade into fewer hands and direct its trillion+ dollar revenue stream to U.S. banksters, the Bush Cartel, the CIA and other beneficiaries.

--U.S. military 'black op' (likely a Rumsfeld plan) to create the "miracle laptop" (--laptop that allegedly survived the 500 lb U.S. "smart bombs" on the FARC camp in 2008 and, according to Uribe, contained "proof" that Chavez and Correa were helping the FARC to obtain a "dirty bomb" and other wild allegations, since totally debunked).

--Deliberate U.S. promotion of a "scorched earth" policy toward trade unionists, peasant farmers and others, as prep for U.S./Colombia "free trade for the rich." (Along with decapitating union and other leadership of the poor, they drove 5 MILLION peasants from their land with state terror. These actions can only benefit the big, protected drug lords, and entities such as Exxon Mobil, Drummond Coat, Monsanto, Chiquita, et al.)

--Grave corruption in many U.S. agencies--DEA, FBI, CIA, USAID, Pentagon, et al--for the above purposes.

--Obama administration (and Leon Panetta) coverup of the above (for instance, assisting Maria Hurtado, Uribe's spy agency chief, in receiving instant asylum in the U.S. client state of Panama, when Colombian prosecutors sought her testimony against Uribe; leaving Bush Junta-appointed Amb. Brownfield in place in Colombia while he colluded with Uribe to cover up all this Uribe mafia/U.S. government crime in Colombia; and Clinton's "fining" of Blackwater for "unauthorized" "trainings" of "foreign persons" IN COLOMBIA "for use in Iraq and Afghanistan" early this year--a "tip of the iceberg" if I ever saw one).

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Uribe taking a lie detector test would blow out electrical circuits all the way to Washington DC.

Regarding Obama collusion/coverup: Panetta yanked Uribe off the stage and vetted and approved his replacement, Manual Santos (who has been making some unusual leftist noises, such as suggesting the legalization of drugs, and who may not be mafia). I think that they (Obama/Panetta/Clinton) approved/effected this change in Colombia not so much because they abhor what the Bush Junta was doing in Colombia but more because it is all threatening to come out, and they made "a deal" to cover up Bush Junta crimes and/or immunize its master criminals. "We need to look forward not backward" on the crimes of the rich and powerful, as our President has instructed us. This is not so much his legal teaching as it is his received orders.

Political figures like Obama and Santos are needed in order to wash all this horror down the Corporate Media "river of forgetfulness," at which point, Diebold/ES&S may install Bush Junta II here (if that is what is decided next year or when the time is ripe) and Uribe's criminal network may bring Uribe back to power in Colombia.

That is my fear--but I must say this: All we can do is deduce from the "tips of the icebergs" that we can see, what may be lurking below. The extraordinary secrecy of our government and the extraordinary collusion of the Corporate Press make it very difficult to understand what is going on. I've described the above (possible Bush Junta crimes in Colombia) as "guesses," for instance, because of this profoundly murky picture. There IS evidence for all of the above but it is gathered from "bits and pieces" in "the news," from hunting alternative sources and from common sense and a sense of history.

There IS rather overwhelming evidence that the far rightwing has control of election results here, and can install a second Bush Junta in the White House or a Scumbag Congress, as it wishes, in whatever looting and nazification scenario it decides to play out. It can also install governors and other officials. They CLEARLY have this power (with the 'TRADE SECRET' voting systems all over the U.S.) but how they have used it, or will use it, are both hard to guess at specifically. This Scumbag Congress with its 22% approval rating seems to be the work of Diebold/ES&S. Obama (whom I think was actually elected but who was also permitted to be elected) may be so accommodating to the far right/Corporate Ruler/War Profiteer establishment that they don't need to yank him just yet. And so on. And there may be internal wars going on in this highly secretive establishment (more "tips of the iceberg" evidence), with some parties more "benevolent" (or less malevolent) than others. (I think Panetta, for instance, was the point man for ousting Rumsfeld and ending the internal war between the CIA and the Pentagon, at the behest of Bush Sr and the military brass, over two main issues: the nuking of Iran and the outing of CIA operatives. This may have spared us nuclear armageddon in the Middle East, and possible "nuclear winter" planet-wide, but what will be the upshot of the Pentagon and the CIA working more smoothly together, and what does it say about our power as a people in an alleged democracy that all this could take place behind the curtain by power players who are unaccountable to us?)

My assessment of the Bush Junta in Colombia is similar as to how to analyze "tip of the iceberg" evidence. It's "guessing" but it is not wild guessing. There is reason to believe all of the above--and the purpose of such guessing is, from my point of view, PRIMARILY to identify how we, the American people, might retrieve our own democracy (for instance, by getting rid of the 'TRADE SECRET' voting systems) and also to prepare us for "the worst" (say, reinstallation of the Bush Junta, or Oil War II: South America). We need to UNDERSTAND what's going on, as best we can, in order to exercise our sovereignty as a people and to restore our right to guide government policy, here and abroad.

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Note on Rafael Correa challenging Uribe to dueling lie detector tests: I am impressed with how the New Left in Latin America, though they have the Corporate Media entirely against them, still manage to get some points across, even if they only appear in alternative sources. In this age of true "mass media" (the Internet), word leaks out even to people here--our people, who live under the "iron curtain" lid of Corporate Media--about this extraordinary leftist democracy revolution in Latin America, and the people of Latin America, who elected these new leaders, get help from their leaders and from their own leftist networks, to penetrate the Corporate Media lies and distortions, there. A number of remarkable statements by these new Leftist leaders have thus come our way--for instance, Nestor Kirchner's reply to the Bush Junta, when they sent down their dictate that South American leaders "must isolate Chavez." Kirchner replied, "But he's my brother!" (--one of the most important moments in U.S./LatAm history). These new leaders are smart--have analyzed their countries' political/economic situations very well--are media savvy (fighting against great odds), with clever zings like this one by Correa as yet another example and--perhaps most revolutionary of all--have each other's backs--are cooperating to protect their democracies and throw off U.S./Corporate Rule. (Example: They united to condemn Uribe over the U.S./Colombia bombing/raid on Ecuador's territory in 2008.) Correa is not alone in dealing with this on-going, Rumsfeldian slander by Uribe (a mafia don who would be in jail but for CIA intervention).

[Judi Lynn]

2. Really loved your comment re Uribe's detector test blowing the circuits all the way to D.C.

If he were foolish enough to go along, there would be a sniper waiting to get him first, then a formal statement from the military that it was a FARC "what got'im."

The new left leaders are VERY strong, courageous. Their right-wing political criminal class should take special note that their nackgrounds in so many cases include prison and torture, and grave mistreatment to them and their families by the earlier U.S.-supported right-wing dictatorships in Latin America.