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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 03:41 PM
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Remove the private health insurance mandate, or kill this bill

Remove mandate, or kill this bill
By Kos
Daily Kos
December 15, 2009

My take is that it's unconscionable to force people to buy a product from a private insurer that enjoys sanctioned monopoly status. It'd be like forcing everyone to attend baseball games, but instead of watching the Yankees, they were forced to watch the Kansas City Royals. Or Washington Nationals. It would effectively be a tax -- and a huge one -- paid directly to a private industry.

Without any mechanisms to control costs, this is yet another bailout for yet another reviled industry. Subsidies? Insurance companies are free to raise their rates to absorb that cash. More money for subsidies? More rate increases, as well as more national debt. Don't expect Lieberman and his ilk to care. They're in it for their industry pals.

If you want a similar model, watch how universities increase tuition to absorb increased financial aid opportunities. And since the Senate and its industry-bought Senators won't allow insurance premium caps or an end to the insurance industry's anti-trust exemption (much less a public option to compete against them), there is nothing keeping those companies from jacking up rates to screw people. In fact, that's been their modus operandi for years.

Provisions prohibiting rescissions are fine and dandy, and fairly non-controversial, but they are toothless. The legislation allows rescissions based on "fraud" and "willful misrepresentation". I'm still not sure what that means, but if the insurance company doesn't want to pay for your expensive care, seems they can assert those clauses and refuse to pay. Then what? You have to fight for coverage, get lawyers, hit the courts, hope you survive long enough to resolve the issue. Looks a lot like the status quo, doesn't it? Indeed, insurance companies already cite fraud or misrepresentation as the excuses for rescissions.

The insurance industry began 2009 fearing genuine reform that would force them to become responsible corporate citizens, and they are exiting it on the cusp of a dramatic government-sanctioned windfall. It pays to be an industry that's too big to fail.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/15/814776/-Remove-mandate,-or-kill-this-bill

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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 03:52 PM
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1. "Without any mechanisms to control costs" First of all
there are cost controls in both bills, including a public option in the House bill and the OPM plan in the Senate bill. Kos has not seen the final bill so his call to kill is based on what?



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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 04:06 PM
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3. Ah, so how much will the per capita health care costs be reduced by in 5 years?
Can I get a solid figure from you?
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:28 PM
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12. The current pattern and practice of this administration to fight against real progressive values
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 04:04 PM
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2. Oh brother. This is from December 15. n/t
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johnaries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 04:24 PM
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6. Yep, before the Manger's Amendment. nt
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 04:08 PM
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4. They better kill the idea of taxing Union plans
I tell you Union members are really pissed about that one.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 04:16 PM
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5. Do you expect the same rich fucks writing this crap bill to pay for it?
That's the middle-class' problem. The magic subsidies are just part of the shell game being used to hide the price tag and pass it to the middle.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 04:29 PM
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7. Not the Royals and Natinals!
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 08:47 AM
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8. kick
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 01:38 PM
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9. K&R.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 01:40 PM
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10. The investor class is counting on the mandates
They profit as we suffer!
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grahamhgreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 02:27 PM
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11. Kill the HC boondoggle bill & simply expand Medicare in reconcilliation. Done Deal. nt
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