It isn't about pictures, style, or admiration.

[cornermouse]

It is about policy. Whether it works or whether it doesn't. People don't care whether Obama's photogenic when they see their jobs, lifestyle, or disposable income evaporate. When people are having difficulty buying Christmas presents and Christmas dinner the last thing they want to see is a White House Christmas with all the obvious wealth that it represents. And when it isn't working or when its obvious that it won't work you should be at the forefront telling him. There's been a lot of talk about "holding his feet to the fire" or "making him accountable" but God forbid anyone actually tries because they find themselves immediately thrown under the bus.

You're creating an artificial environment/ an alternate universe. And its just plain wrong.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

1. The view varies from one to another.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7371240

[cornermouse]

3. If Obama wants to be absolved of all repercussions from the

health care fiasco, then he should also renounce any claims of success.

I happen to agree with talking to the opposition/enemy if possible.

The Wall Street bailout was and is another huge mistake, especially in light of failure to stop the home foreclosures, ongoing huge bonuses and other entitlements on Wall Street, and lack of adequate ration of jobs produced per money given away for that purpose.

[Peacetrain]

2. Bull Hockey!

[cornermouse]

4. Whatever.

The question is whether you plan to bask in admiration of pictures of Obama or do you actually want to look at what he's done and is doing objectively and make yourselves useful?

[Teaser]

5. ok lecturemoose,

big words.

little deeds.

[cornermouse]

7. Well, if that's all it takes to satisfy you,

you can always turn it back to the photo gallery that it was this morning. It won't do much for anyone else, but if that's what it takes to make yourselves happy go ahead and knock yourselves out.

[chimpymustgo]

6. Pertinent questions to raise.

Happy New Year.

Accountability. Action.

[babylonsister]

8. One big whaaaa! from you. No, you are the one who never responds to

positive things this admin has done. All you know how to do is whine and complain. Oh, and Happy New Year. Enjoy your misery and continue to be part of the problem instead of suggesting any kind of solution if you're so miserable.

A few recent threads, since you must have missed them.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=7341996
Progressives (and Obama) are Doing Better Than We Think -- and We Won't Know What We've Got 'Til It's Gone

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x102841
Obama Quietly Changes U.S. Immigration Policy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x102989
White House To Lieberman And GOP: Sorry, We’re Still Closing Gitmo

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4205720
Jobless claims fall to 17-month low

And lots more links here, in case you're really interested, which I doubt:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x105920

[cornermouse]

11. I hadn't missed some of them but the fact is

I don't have time to respond to them. Short version: Immigration policy change is a yes and a no. Without going to look at it again and if memory serves me correctly, they shouldn't go to jail. On the other hand, they tend to disappear and become difficult to find if they think they aren't going to be approved or don't want to take the chance. By the way, does it address or punish employers who encourage them to immigrate illegally? Closing Gitmo - good. The bad part of closing Gitmo? The fact that they're still sending some out to other countries than their own in order to "get information from them" by whatever means. That is a distinct disappointment. Jobless claims - ever since they started fiddling with the numbers and subtracting things like house payments or rent from figuring cost of living I tend to distrust the numbers they put out.

And now? Now I've got a choice between making some cinnamon rolls for a grandchild and sit here, tossing insults back and forth with you. Gee, I wonder which I'll choose?....:sarcasm:

[babylonsister]

13. I see. You only have time to fling flaming poop and run. and btw,

if your concerns are authentic, google works fine.

Obama puts employers in immigration crosshairs

http://www.businessbrief.com/obama-puts-employers-in-immigration-crosshairs/

[dionysus]

26. snap

:rofl:

[NJmaverick]

9. The only artificial universe created is the one you and your allies have created here at DU

the animosity along with the venom and vitriol is not reflective of polling of either liberals or Democrats. It's some sort of bizzaro world where good is bad and up is down.

[azmouse]

10. SSDD

:eyes:

[treestar]

12. I've never been that bitter

And never would be, no matter what happened.

[Oregone]

14. But look at him on the phone. He is sooo presidential

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x105973

How could that guy not be creating good policy?

[azmouse]

15. OMG! The Roosevelts celebrated Christmas during the Depression!!!!

The nerve to have a tree and presents when so many others did not!!



http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_jrwjt6DrVOw/SVOoro4cnTI/AAAAAAAABuM/rDFNUci_ez8/s400/1941+white+house+christmas+tree.jpg

[bvar22]

16. I would disagree with you in only one place.

Personality and Appearance DOES have a positive impact in Foreign Relations.
Obama has been a great International Spokesperson for the US.
He has helped repair our image in the eyes of the World, though that won't last if he keeps the WARS going and does NOT prosecute the War Criminals of the Bush Administration.

As far as everything else, I couldn't agree more.
It IS about Policy and Direction.

I don't care which Political Personality occupies the White House, I will continue to STAND for "The Issues".

*Medicare for anyone who wants it.

*Immediate withdrawal of ALL military forces and "contractors" from the Middle East.

*Immediate reduction of Military Spending by at least 50%

*The immediate break-up (Trust Busting) of everything "Too Big to Fail".

*Fair Competition Legislation that lets Mom&Pop (small locally owned businesses and farms) compete with Big Box and Factory Farms on a level playing field.

*An end to "Free Trade" (Race to the Bottom)

*Organized LABOR and local co-ops.

*An end to the two-tiered Judicial System

*Prosecution of rich American War Criminals and War Profiteers. (Oh yes they did!)

*An END to "Corporate Personhood"

*Strictly Enforced Publicly Financed Elections (severe penalties for criminals)

*Transparent and Verifiable elections (Why isn't this a front burner issue with the Democratic Party?)

*Re-Regulation with strict oversight of Banking/Investment, Insurance, Transportation, Communications, Trade, Energy, Utilities. There should be NO Public Money for private Prisons, armed Private Police, armed Defense Contractors, private intelligence agencies, or For Profit Health Insurance Corporations.

*Immediate Civil Rights and Equal Protection for ALL. (No Exceptions)

*Free Quality Universal Education to everyone who wants it.

*Strong Social Safety Net and Consumer Protections.

*An end to The Patriot Act and a return to The Constitution.(especially Habeus and privacy protections)

*A refutation of the "Unitary Executive", and legislation to ensure it NEVER happens again.

*An END to Republican/Corporate influence INSIDE The Democratic Party !
(NO! They DON"T deserve a seat at the table!)



When a politician moves TOWARD the above goals, I will support and applaud them.
When they move AWAY from the above, I will OPPOSE them.



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[cornermouse]

19. I like and agree with your policies.

[freddie mertz]

17. I agree about Obama's policy failures, but don't care as much about he photo-ops.

Thanks to his positive personal image, he has improved the image of the nation in the world, at the very least.

[cornermouse]

18. You had to be there this morning when the only thing that

appeared to be at the top of this category was a series of photo oriented posts. Issues were nowhere to be found. I had to go dig some issue oriented posts up and kick them.

[freddie mertz]

20. Yeah, I slept late. Besides, I never read those fan-club threads.

They are for the "tweenagers" here I presume.

[FrenchieCat]

22. So why don't you go back to your other Internet Forum,

where people can talk about posters here, behind their backs at abandon, like politics is nothing but a game? Where you can determine that whatever a man believes should be reflected in his wife, because I guess a wife is a husband's property.....

you know like me being a Minister's wife, so I shouldn't be able to curse on the Internet, since I guess in your world, I belong to my husband. :eyes:

[cornermouse]

24. Let's just say you have an unusual perspective on the role of a minister's wife.

I don't believe I have ever thought of any woman as belonging to a man or a husband's property so I would give that one an epic fail. Politics is a game? Yeah, right. Our lives are nothing but a game based on Obama's hotness quotient and style points. Looks to me like the same thing (talking about people behind their backs) goes on in the Obama group. What's your point?

[FrenchieCat]

27. as you state at the site

where Personality Cult Edwards Lovers can discuss openly with PUMAS who didn't bother to vote for this Democratic President their intense dislike for many solid DUers as well as the DU admins instead of concentrating on making progress as their pastime....

and since as you stated at that site that FrenchieCat is nothing but a twit anyways.....why you would care about what my husband does, or the fact that I am not he, nor do I represent him as being me on a political internet site?

As for the DU Obama group, it is still part of DU, and wasn't set up in order for folks to Bash DU.
We aren't allowed to call people Twits and childish ass shit like that. We are not allowed to post DU links to go and attack. We aren't posting at Democratic Underground with the express purpose of hating on this Administration no matter what it does because our hearts were broken when our candidate didn't win, and we didn't instantaneously got all that we wished, although trashing Obama since before he became President is the reason a site that you belong to even exists!

You speak as to who lives in their own make believe world?
Sorry to break it to you, but that would be you.

[FrenchieCat]

21. It's about progress.......

And those who are blinded by their own biases till they are unable to see it.


This was last week's work on what you claim is supposed to be important.
But you don't see any of it or discuss it, instead you see nothing
but what you want to see, which means that it is you who is creating an artificial
environment, one that is minus the truth of it....and of course, as you said,
that would make you wrong.



White House To Lieberman And GOP: Sorry, We’re Still Closing Gitmo
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/terrorism/white-house-to-lieberman-and-repubicans-sorry-were-still-closing-gitmo/


White House Releases Name Of Every Visitor For First Time Ever
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/12/white-house-releases-name-of-every-visitor-for-first-time-ever.php?ref=fpblg


Obama's Smart Sex Education Funding
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/thegaggle/archive/2009/12/28/obama-s-smart-sex-education-funding.aspx


Obama Administration Looking Out for Labor in 2010
http://www.mydd.com/story/2009/12/29/101312/85



Jobless Claims Fall Unexpectedly as Layoffs Ease - lowest level since July 2008 in sign of recovery
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=9454580


Senate approves Lubinski, nation’s first gay U.S. Marshal
http://minnesotaindependent.com/52601/senate-approves-lubinski-nations-first-gay-u-s-marshal


Obama Curbs Secrecy of Classified Documents (NYT)
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/30/us/politics/30secrets.html?_r=1&src=twt&twt=nytimespolitics



Progress in Pres. Obama’s Goal of Ending Child Hunger by 2015
http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7336540



President Obama announces new rules for electronic health records
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/30/us/politics/30secrets.html?_r=1&src=twt&twt=nytimespolitics



Obama Quietly Changes U.S. Immigration Policy
http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=f35b300ec73d76f7ccc97e547a14056a



Obama, HUD Announce $1.4 Billion For Homeless Assistance Programs
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/30/us/politics/30secrets.html?_r=1&src=twt&twt=nytimespolitics



President Obama - Most Admired Man In America in 2009
http://www.usatoday.com/NEWS/usaedition/2009-12-30-1Apoll30_ST_U.htm?csp=34

[burning rain]

23. I agree with much of what you say, but differ in one place.

When people are having difficulty buying Christmas presents and Christmas dinner the last thing they want to see is a White House Christmas with all the obvious wealth that it represents.

Let the Obamas have a ritzy holiday season of the sort to be expected at the White House. Jimmy Carter's asceticism--schlepping his own bags and traipsing around the White House in a sweater with the heat turned down--didn't play well with the public. It didn't better any American's circumstances in tough times--and that's what we should be about, not personal stuff. I bet you'll agree if you reflect on it. Merry New Year.

[Fire1]

25. Speak for yourself. Fortunately, not all democrats, liberals

and/or independents have this view and the majority of people didn't feel that way about FDR. All is not doom and gloom as you would project and many of those saying "it's not working" haven't bothered to take advantage of the "policies" that have been put in place, such as No Worker Left Behind that PAYS people to get retrained for jobs of the future, whether the jobs are for service or energy. A lot of things are tenuous right now but many believe we're headed in the best possible direction. There is absolutely nothing wrong with admiration and status of the presidency comes with the territory. Whatever you expected sounds awfully unrealistic.

[SeattleGirl]

28. Sounds like the OP expects the Obama's to wear sackcloth

and ash.