The Repubs. are out in force today with their talking point: "Obama has ignored foreign policy

[jenmito]

because he's been too focused on healthcare and global warming." That same exact criticism came out of the mouths of everyone from Fran Townsend to Tom Kean to Jim DeMint. :eyes:

[marmar]

1. They all got their emailed talking points this morning.

nt.

[Oregone]

2. With all due respect, health care and global warming are more important than My Pet Goat

[jenmito]

3. That's not the point. Obama was NOT ignoring the threats to our country. He can walk

and chew gum at the same time.

[Oregone]

4. He should have

Most Americans should fear losing their job, instead of having an airplane flown through their place of work

Most Americans should worry more about their daughter being molested before she is a grown adult, rather than being beheaded on a extremist video

Most Americans should worry about getting hit by a drunk driver, instead of being blown up by an IED

My favorite president was a terrorist. I do not fear them. I fear what actually affects me.

[jenmito]

7. Huh? He should have ignored threats to our country? He should ignore his PDBs like BUSH

did?

[Oregone]

11. It criminal activity

He should care no more about it than domestic mafia activity. Law enforcement branches have plenty of time to deal with crime and idiots who cant figure out how to blow up their explosive underwear.

As far as dollars spent to lives save, the current terrorist approach has a terrible bang for your buck. Hell, you could throw all that money into caring for those 44K that die every year from no insurance, fund cancer research, more stem cell research, and let the terrorist criminals have a field day, and I betcha you'll have more people alive at the end of the day with that approach (and more money in the bank). As a bonus, less terrorists and a more stabilized world.

[jenmito]

14. I think it's ridiculous to say to "let the terrorist criminals have a field day..."

Obama can't ignore info. coming in to him that tells him an attack is imminent or someone in particular is planning an attack.

[Oregone]

17. There are law enforcement agencies to deal with criminals. There always has been

I'm not sure why this all concerns a president. I'm not sure why blowing a load on it, globally, is the thing to do when that money can directly impact people's lives domestically.

Its all a big crock and a big fuck en giveaway if you ask me.

There are FAR more threatening things people face every day (from job loss, to murder, to lack of healthcare, to starvation). That is what needs to be in the PDB

[jenmito]

19. Um, he IS treating it as "law enforcement" to the criticism of Repubs.

but he, as president, gets intel that local police DON'T get. How can you not be sure why attempted attacks should concern a president?

[Oregone]

22. How does news pass the threshold as to what should directly concern the president?

Maybe he should just forward all that good shit on? He has far more important matters to deal with.

Hell, I got good intel that about 110 people will die tonight from drunk driving accidents. I'm not sure why its worth blowing billions on incompetent undie bombers when there are real problems

[jenmito]

23. Sorry, but I'm not going to try to explain the job of the president to you.

:shrug:

[Oregone]

24. Well if its to neglect domestic problems that are, dollar-wise, a bit easier to fix...

in favor of scary, flashy "terrorist" problems that cost a fortune because they justify a bloated war budget, then that sort of sucks.

But I guess I just wouldn't understand. Maybe we should just trust our president.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grvpyepkD2o&feature=related

[jenmito]

26. It's NOT to neglect domestic problems. Is that really what you think he's been doing?

Where have you been for the past year?

[Oregone]

27. Any dollar spent on the global war on terrorism that could otherwise be spent on...

solving domestic problems (that would equate to more lives saved) is a form of neglect in my opinion.

Can you imagine the lives you could save with $600 billion spent immediately on cancer and stem cell research? What if you used that to also cover the 44K that died from a lack of insurance?

Im not seeing a whole lotta of bang-for-your buck on this whole terrorist charade, and there are a whole lot of neglected areas that could use some solid dough.

[phleshdef]

28. Just stop. Your argument is idiotic and you have embarassed yourself.

The President has to focus on both. And he has. Disagree or agree with policy all you want. But thats not the point of this particular discussion.

[Oregone]

31. The president doesn't have to focus on throwing billions at a problem he can't bomb away

He can have the law enforcement branches focus on the criminals. Id rather have him focus on the low hanging fruit that actually matters in people's lives.

You cannot do both at 100%. Resources are finite (and half of em are being thrown away at the bad-guys, with little proven efficiency).

This post 9-11 thinking that dictates 3 incompetent men holed up somewhere in a cave is aa big of a problem as thousands of citizens dying of easily treatable diseases is pure bullshit. There is no way you can seriously tackle the domestic threats of today with your head in the 9-11 sand, throwing billions at the process of bombing ideas.

You cannot bomb an idea. You sure as hell can treat a sickness.

[phleshdef]

32. I'm mostly ignoring your post because it has nothing to do with what you were attempting to argue.

[Oregone]

34. That seems odd. It rather appears you are posting snark to get the last word in

He who posts last wins the sub-thread after all

[jenmito]

29. Obama's admin. has stopped many attacks from being carried out here. If you

don't think he should be doing that part of his job, I disagreei 1000%.

[phleshdef]

30. LOL. Seriously, I wouldn't bother arguing with someone that sais national security isn't the Pres...

...concern. That has to be one of the stupidest attempts at crafting a non-point that I've witnessed on these boards.

[jenmito]

35. I know. I'm done arguing with that poster.

Your posts said what I was thinking. :hi:

[Oregone]

36. Oh, can I get in on the circle jerk?

Oh, you're so smart. You think EXACTLY the same way I do. Our thoughts match the daily talking points! Isn't it wonderful?

:toast:

In another century, I betcha this post 9-11 terrorist talk will be the main dialog of a comedic period-piece

[Oregone]

33. No, I don't think its the job of a political administration.

It should be the function of law enforcement branches.

Its like asking the most important man in a village to climb to the top of the tallest coconut tree thats sitting next to a berry bush. Pure absurdity.

[Armstead]

9. Republicans can't walk and chew -- They don't understand the concept

[zonkers]

5. Did you ever play that game "Indian Chief" as a kid? That's them.

[jenmito]

8. Yup. I agree.

[malletgirl02]

6. Foreign Affairs

I seen an article in Foreign Affairs magazine trying to make a similar point. It criticizes Obama for pulling back from the world due to being slightly less interventionist than the Bush administration. the author also criticizes Obama for focusing on domestic issues rather than domestic issues, and calls Obama an isolationist. We all know that Obama is not an isolationist. Obama is focusing on domestic issues, because the USA needs that focus now, it is the right thing to do.

[thelordofhell]

10. Ending the invasion of Iraq

Escalating the war in Afghanistan
Visiting foreign leaders
Attending world conferences
America is again #1 in the world view

And some douche flying in from a foreign country with a shit bomb is evidence that Obama is ignoring foreign policy?

Go crawl back in your hole you miserable republican trolls!!

[jenmito]

16. Exactly. n/t

[treestar]

12. That's so ridiculous

There are domestic issues. Any attention to domestic issues is ignoring foreign policy? Ignorant jerks. They'd have said that he was paying too much attention to it if that was all he did.

[jillan]

13. HOW can they say that???? On Face the Nation they were saying how Obama

tharwted more attacks on Christmas Day - that Al Queda in Yemen was planning a major Christmas present for us.

This talking point is such bullshit and I hope Dems everywhere shut them up with this little reminder THAT 9/11 HAPPENED UNDER THEIR WATCH.

[peaches2003]

42. I just heard a partial FN rerun on radio

and have no idea who was saying what, but they were sarcastic and very critical of all Obama has done foreign policy and terror-wise. One of them made some crack about he has been so busy with healthcare and global warming of course he had no time to worry about the safety of the nation. Who the hell were these people, anyone know?

[jenmito]

44. Jeez-ANOTHER one with the "healthcare and global warming" line? I didn't even

watch FNS when I posted my OP!

[LibDemAlways]

15. Much as I hate the r's I have to admire their unity - even though it's behind

a bunch of shitful ideas. Imagine what we could accomplish if the Dems were unified behind a progressive agenda. Instead we get turds like Baucus and Stupak. :banghead:

[alsame]

18. But, but, but - weren't they criticizing him a few months ago for

being overseas too much? And spending too much time on foreign policy?

:eyes:

[jwirr]

20. Weren't they complaining last month about how many trips he was

taking overseas?

[jenmito]

25. Yes they were. I'm sure they think he was overseas just to listen to himself give speeches.

:eyes:

[GoCubsGo]

21. Talk about speaking out of both sides of one's mouth.

On most days, they're complaining that he's spending way too much time on the rest of the world. I saw one piece somewhere that claims he thinks he's "King of the World." It's the usual hypocritical steaming-pantload from these a-holes.

[zbdent]

37. no doubt that the Repugs are all set with the talking points

when they're scheduled for one of their many many appearances in "the liberal media" ...

Obama scores a victory with X? Pull out talking point Y where he is "ignoring" the issue ... mainly because it's not in the news that he's also working on Y ... unlike his predecessor who was ignoring X and Y for narrow focus issue Q ... for which the predecessor got many "liberal media pundits" to cover ...

[jenmito]

38. I agree...

well put.

[zbdent]

39. just like the Nobel prize ...

conveniently playing on the ignorance of the general populace, the talking points don't mention the fact that the awarding committee doesn't award prizes posthumously, and you get several stories about all those "passed over" in favor of Dem winner X ...

[HughMoran]

40. yawn, just another 'argumentum ad ignoratiam' from them

same shit, different day

[jenmito]

41. Yes, SSDD...

but why do they get SO much air time during OBAMA'S admin.? I don't recall Clinton officials being all over the tv during the BUSH admin. to criticize THEM.

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