What the hell is wrong with everybody?

[impik]

All that stupid gloom and doom. How pathetic can Democrats be? It's 10 months to the election. Things can change 100 times. Seriously, the Democratic Party and its voters are just poster for defeatism. It really is sad.

[Dennis Donovan]

1. Thanks for the pep talk....

:crazy:

[dkf]

39. lol.

[Name removed]

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[Prism]

3. "What the hell! Why is your self-esteem so low, you useless sack of crap?!"

I would've taken another tack.

[Cha]

4. Let 'em soak ..there's plenty

of people who are into the reality of what we have and appreciate it..and will be working for the mid-term elections.

[uponit7771]

5. Looking at the facts it's safe to say some folks expectations where misplaced

FACTS: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

[DevonRex]

6. There's an element here that would like us to lose, just like Nader would. nt

[zalinda]

8. It took me a long time to figure out what Nader

was doing. He set himself up to be a political punching bag, but he did it with a purpose. Clinton scared him and he was afraid Gore was going to go down the same path. Then we got Bush, and still people did not realize that it's a class war and not a war against dems and repubs. Until we get away from the football team mentality, we are going to be stuck with reps who put corporations ahead of the people.

You know there are sane repubs and there are insane dems, we have the nuts on both sides of the aisle. Nader is on neither side, he is on the side of the people. He's telling us to wake the fuck up! We are being screwed by the dems as well as the repubs. All you have to do is stop cheerleading for the dems and look at what they are really doing. I have never felt so sad, mad and frustrated in my entire life, as I am with the Democratic Party. They used to represent me, but they don't anymore.

BTW, my first vote for President was for George McGovern, and then Jimmy Carter, twice. I've dutifully pulled a lever for each dem candidate until this last one. I just couldn't keep doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome.

zalinda

[DevonRex]

9. Join with Nader if you like. I'm a Democrat. Always will be. And stop the "cheerleading" mantra.

It's not allowed.

Other than that, I thought your post was well written and I respect your opinion.

[zalinda]

10. I wasn't calling YOU a cheerleader

it was cheerleading in the context of this whole political "game" being like football. Cheering when there is a "win" for our team, when in fact the people didn't win.

zalinda

[DevonRex]

11. Oh, I see.

Sorry about that.

[girl gone mad]

18. I'm a reformed "Nader hater".

The more I've learned over the years about this game we call American politics - our disastrous economic and foreign policies and the elitists who benefit from them - the more respect I have for people like Nader, who are willing to call a spade a spade, despite the overwhelming bile the ruling class and their naive sycophants spew at them.

[Butch350]

29. So what the f**k ya gonna do? Vote repub? Or some lame-ass-3rd party who won't win?

[mstinamotorcity]

30. So then what is your

position to be on a democratic site to tell us how you are not of the democratic agenda.Every time i see one of your post it is about how you could not bring yourself to vote for the now elected President. I mean are we supposed to believe that you somehow are in support of this President because if so your post doesn't reflect that.They used to represent me,but they don't any more.So why is your ass here telling us how you are not being represented why don't you go where you are represented.

[butterfly77]

31. Did it have something to do with..

pigmentation. Is that what stop you in your tracks. Well, take your ass on over to little green football,redstate because that is where you seem to belong. Nader also has a problem with pigmentation as we all could see on the campaign trail...

[depakid]

7. When it's perceived that the party leaderhip"won't stand up and fight for key constituencies

then people in those constituencies can't be expected to get out and work enthusiastically for that party.

Pretty straight forward stuff... and many haven't seen any indication that this tendency is going to change, especially now that every corrupt, two bit extortionist has been empowered to hold every responsible reform in sight hostage to their petty demands.

[emilyg]

13. Hear. Hear!

[hulka38]

12. The Dems have chosen to outcompete the Repubs for corporate $.

I wish them luck later this with that strategy. I'll be watching with interest to see how that turns out.

[rasputin1952]

14. I am a Democrat, been one forever...

I'm about as far away from a Gloom and Doomer as one can get.

I know how the political system works, and I know that to get candidates elected it takes several things, the most important being on the ground, real live work.

Some people get discouraged because they hear something, and most of the time, that is all they see. The refusal to see what a pol has done prior to the "offense" is incredible. It is a case of tunnelvision x3.

Look at what PO has done over the past year, he's got quite the good record, and there are 10 months before the Mid-Term, but a few people are ready to toss in the towel because of an issue they did not see come about. Forget the possibility it may yet occur, that is not part of the equation for some people, for some, it's all about now. That type of attitude is, to put it objectively...just plain dumb.

I have been around a long time, I can recall when GLBT issues were never even discussed, but now, the GLBT community has 40+ support from the populace...that is a huge gain for Equal Rights. But some don't see a gain, they see constant defeat, (which is valid to a degree, but gains are really "wins" in the long run).

I stood for Civil Rights in the 60's, I was chased with clubs, chased by dogs and hit with fire hoses. We never gave up to gain Equal Rights for Blacks...it took time, and although the fight continues to a degree, we are light years from where we were a generation ago. That's serious progress.

I don't dance in the streets each time there is a "win", I smile and move on to the next issue. When I get a "loss", I knuckle down, find the angle I need to get things going again and move toward progress. The last thing I can think of doing is sitting in a sea of tears waiting to drown.

We can make incredible progress...but we have to work on it, boots on the ground. phone calls, e-mails...(handwritten letters really get their attention!), going to Town Hall meetings and making sure we ask relevant questions and demand relevant answers.

R's have nothing, and that is not something I take lightly; taking them on in front of their constituents, making them answer questions, (which makes them look like fools because they have no answers), is the way to win.

I live and breathe politics...it's how we make changes locally, state wide and Federally. Fo rpeople to sit back and squawk and get out and fire up the passion, is the way we can lose. Like I said up-post...it takes work!

[RepublicanElephant]

16. thank you. nt

[mkultra]

20. we shoudl thank folks like you

like we thank veterans. Thanks for defending equality.

[cornermouse]

22. "but a few people are ready to toss in the towel because of an issue they did not see come about."

That's mischaracterization. If it was just one issue, people wouldn't be so upset. What you see is anger based on the accumulation of multiple failures or refusals to address long held democratic principles. When I started voting democratic more than 25 years ago it was because of the principles of equality and individual rights they represented. I would remind you that those principles include but are not limited to skin color. You can ignore the other principles if you wish but you should remember that a lot of people don't vote for a label or a party name. They vote for principles as represented by the party.

[rasputin1952]

34. Like it or not...

many people that post here, post on a single issue that they find important. I go through threads everyday, and while the issues vary, far too many are honed on one issue and essentially toss of others.

What is important to one, means little to others...single issue individuals hardly ever stray from from their appointed mission...:hi:

[cornermouse]

36. There is more than one issue with me.

However, a discussion board tends to narrow talk down to one topic most of the time. :)

[rasputin1952]

37. I'm happy you see a larger picture...

:)

[cornermouse]

38. I can honestly say that I do see a larger picture.

[olegramps]

23. I agree that there has been important improvements in American society.

The difference between the attitudes of the average citizen on a number of issues between when I was coming of age in the 1950's and today are enormous. This is most especially reflected in attitudes in regard to civil rights of minorities.

However, I do believe that the working middle class did themselves a major disservice when they bought the corporate line that unions were their enemy and management would take good care of them. Management did a great job and union membership has gone from 36% in the 1950s to 6% today. I have seen here on DU, in regard to HCR, resentment toward unions that have won health care benefits for their workers and want these benefits taxed. These are the very same workers that bought the managements' bullshit and now resent the fact that some of their fellow workers were smart enough to see through crap that management was trying to feed them. I really don't have a hell of a lot of sympathy for some workers. Some were just gullible and others wanted what the unions had won without paying for it. So your jobs are outsourced, pensions cut and health insurance gone. Remember this toasters, refrigerators, sewing machines, etc. are still being made by the millions; they just aren't being made by American workers.

[rasputin1952]

33. I have worked for good corp's and bad corp's...

Some did everything they could to ensure their workers were safe and paid well. Some could not care less and thought of their workers as little more than leeches that took away profits.

I believe that this is a "management market", all of the cards are with the companies...this will change as employment grows, but for the time being those that are working are working longer hours for less, fear can make a person concerned about their future, and many managers make sure they force a gloomy future on those who might rise up.

We shall see how long before an upsurge in employment takes, I don't think it is all tha far off....but people have to take to task those who would find it easy to lapse on safety and pay...:hi:

[Hekate]

41. ~*~

:thumbsup:

Hekate

[secondwind]

15. A YEAR IS AN ETERNITY IN POLITICS FOLKS!

[cadmium]

I think there is a lot of

herd mentality as well as valid concerns. Valid concerns are part of the discussion and they shouldnt really make people nervous at this point. It is healthy to debate policy concerns . On the other hand, a lot of concern is just peer pressure type sheepish behavior and hand wringing which doesnt help much. It is good to bring this out into the open because negative Peer pressure voter motivation (or lack of motivation) is real and preventable.

[cadmium]

17. I think there is a lot of

herd mentality as well as valid concerns. Valid concerns are part of the discussion and they shouldnt really make people nervous at this point. It is healthy to debate policy concerns . On the other hand, a lot of concern is just peer pressure type sheepish behavior and hand wringing which doesnt help much. It is good to bring this out into the open because negative Peer pressure voter motivation (or lack of motivation) is real and preventable.

[paulk]

19. DU is a discussion boeard

It's members "discuss" things.

I realize you probably haven't been here long enough to figure that out...

[rasputin1952]

21. Discussons and "shoutfests" are two different entities...

We've seen far too many "shoutfests, and far fewer discussions of late.

[paulk]

25. how would you define this thread?

does it lend itself to "discussion"?

Or is it just an attempt to fan the flames that have turned GD/P into a "shoutfest"?

[rasputin1952]

27. I don't see it as a "shoutfest"...

A lot depends on who decides to post, and more so, as to what they post.

[paulk]

28. well, that's true

a lot also depends on the OP, and what they have posted in the past.

Perhaps that's the best indication of intention.

[dcsmart]

24. i agree with you, i am a proud Dem and supporter of the Pres.

[grantcart]

26. Well we ARE Democrats after all.

[RichGirl]

32. Agree with you wholeheartedly....

...which is why I rarely come here anymore. Democrats are cynical, pestimistic and negative. They are the "glass is half empty" crowd. They love to complain and criticize and nitpick. Anything good, anything that goes right gets ignorred so they can spend endless time detailing wrongs. And if you don't jump on their band wagon they accuse you of being an Obama worshipper. As if their are only two choices...you criticize his every move or bow down to him. Guess what, life falls mostly in the gray area. Anyway...I find it extremely unproductive and boring.

[PBS Poll-435]

35. We have always been at war with the Republicans

:silly:

[dkf]

40. Dorgan quitting...Dodd quitting...Ritter quitting.

10 months doesn't seem so far away now, does it?

[ItNerd4life]

42. And then before we know it, it's too late.

Sorry, but have to be proactive and not reactive. If you wait till the elections, it's too late.