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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 08:11 PM
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Question for DUers: Have Republicans had any midnight meetings like the Dems had with Harry Reid?
They keep saying that everything has been rammed through in the dead of night, as if this had never been done before.

Anyone have any evidence that Republicans have done this before? I bet they have!


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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 08:19 PM
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1. Hear it from then Rep Sherrod Brown's own lips
Edited on Mon Jan-04-10 08:21 PM by TayTay
About how the Republicans http://www.c-spanarchives.org/congress/?q=node/77531&id=3812480">passed the Medicare Advantage bill
from the Congressional Record for the US House for 12/8/2003



At 2:54 in the morning on a Friday in March, this House cut veterans benefits by three votes. At 2:30 a.m. on a Friday in April, in the middle of the night, House Republicans slashed education and health care by five votes. At 1:56 a.m. on a Friday in May, the House passed a leave-no-millionaire-behind tax cut by a couple of votes. At 2:33 a.m. on a Friday in June, House Republicans passed a Medicare privatization and prescription drug bill by one vote. At 12:57 a.m. on a Friday in July, the
House Republicans eviscerated Head Start by one vote. Then after summer recess, at 12:12 a.m. on a Friday morning, in the wee hours of Thursday night in October, the House voted $87 billion for Iraq. Always in the middle of the night, always a contentious bill, always after the press had passed their deadlines, always after the American people had turned off the news and gone to bed.

SNIP

But let me, before finishing, let me go back to what exactly happened that Friday night, early Saturday morning when the drug bill passed. The vote started Friday at about midnight, the vote on the Medicare privatization bill. The debate started Friday at about midnight. The rollcall began at 3 a.m. Most of us took our vote cards, our little plastic cards, put them in the little box and pushed either the green or the red button. The clock runs out after 15 minutes, but it is usually kept open for another 2 to 5 minutes. Typically, a vote here is often about 20 minutes.

But the Republicans were behind the entire evening; the vote was losing. At 3:30, 4 o'clock in the morning, the vote was 216 to 218. It was defeated. A majority was voting ``no,'' with only one Member, a Democrat, not yet voted. At about 4 o'clock the vote had stayed open for 1 full hour. That is when the assault began. The gentleman from Illinois (Speaker Hastert), the gentleman from Texas (Majority Leader DELAY), the gentleman from Missouri (Republican Whip BLUNT), the gentleman from Louisiana (Mr. Tauzin), the chairman of the Committee on Commerce; the gentleman from California (Mr. Thomas), the chairman of the Committee on Ways and Means all were walking the floor, surfing for stray Republicans who were most likely to cave whom they could bully or whom they could brow beat. They surrounded the gentleman from Ohio (Mr. Chabot), trying a carrot and then a stick; but he stood his ground and was defiant. They tried a retiring Republican, the gentleman from Michigan (Mr. Smith), whose son is running to succeed him. They promised support if he changed his vote to ``yes'' and threatened his son's future if he refused. He steadfastly, to his credit, showed his integrity and stood his ground.

Many of the two dozen Republicans who had voted against the bill had left the floor hoping to avoid the onslaught from the gentleman from Illinois (Speaker Hastert), the gentleman from Texas (Mr. DELAY), the gentleman from Missouri (Mr. Blunt), and the committee chairmen. One Republican that I saw was hiding in the Democratic cloakroom.

By 4:30, the bullying and the brow beating had moved into the Republican cloakroom, out of sight of the television cameras and of the public. The Republican leaders by then had waked up President Bush, and the White House was passing a cell phone from Member to Member in the cloakroom. At 5:55, 2 hours and 55 minutes after the rollcall began, literally twice as long as a vote had ever taken in the U.S. House of Representatives, 2 obscure Western Republicans emerged from the cloakroom, they walked,
ashen and cowed down this aisle, I was sitting right there, down this aisle to the front of the Chamber, they picked up a green card to change their votes, they scrawled their names and district numbers on the cards, and they dispiritedly surrendered the cards to the Clerk. Quickly the Speaker gaveled the bill. Medicare privatization had passed.

Now, imagine an election, an election at home when the polls close at 7:30. Everyone has voted. One candidate trails by a few votes, but election officials, just not liking the outcome, decide to keep the polls open for 3 more hours. They brow beat; they bully. They threaten, they offer jobs, they promise goodies for their neighborhood or for themselves. Finally, lo and behold, the election turns out the way they want.

The new rules in this House of Representatives, Yogi Bera might put it tell us, ``It ain't over until the Republicans and the drug companies win.'' It is sort of Florida all in one night. But the American people should expect more. They should expect the House of Representatives conducted in the open. They should expect Members to honestly, straightforwardly, openly cast their ballots; they should expect a drug pricing policy and a Medicare bill that can hold up, not only in the dark of night, but also in the bright light of the morning.


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Laelth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 09:26 PM
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2. Thanks for that. Very illuminating. n/t
:dem:

-Laelth
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 10:11 PM
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3. Just for the heck of it, here are the votes Sherrod Brown was referring to
From the official House record:



Always in the middle of the night, always a contentious bill, always after the press had passed their deadlines, always after the American people had turned off the news and gone to bed.
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TheBigotBasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 10:30 PM
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5. K&R this.
America needs to be continuously reminded about Republican war crimes against their own citizens.
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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 10:27 PM
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4. Remember if the Repugs are screaming about something
it's because they did it to the Dems and they don't like getting the same treatment. Good for the Dems it's time to get work done and if the Repugs want to obstruct oh well....they leave the Dems no choice.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 09:36 AM
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6. They make stuff up to suite their needs
This is what the Republican leadership does. Look at health care, for example. In 2005 the Republican leadership convened a special session of Congress on a Sunday afternoon to specifically intervene in the case of Terry Schiavo, against her wishes and the wishes of her husband. Ah, that is coercive behavior and bringing the awesome power of the State into the unwilling homes of Americans.
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:03 AM
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8. But you do know that Senator Obama voted with the GOP
to intervene in the case of Teri Schiavo? Well he did. He says he regrets that vote, and I am sure he does, but still, he voted with the Republicans on that one.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:19 AM
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9. No wonder he regrets it then
That, and the vote in June 2006 against an amendment favoring withdrawal from Iraq, was wrong.
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:41 AM
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10. Upon further research
Strictly speaking, then freshman Senator Barack Obama did not vote with the Republicans on the Terry Schiavo case. The Senate was called into session to consider a special bill of relief for Theresa Marie Schiavo so that this bill could be passed onto the House for action. The bill was called up by Unanimous Consent of the Senate. 3 Republicans were present and there was no objection raised, so the bill passed.

There was no roll call vote. Strictly speaking, then Senator Obama did not vote for the bill. He did not raise an objection to a unanimous consent decree. No Senator did. The Senate moved the motion out which immediately went to the House which did have to have a physical vote with a majority passage, so US House members did come back to DC for the vote. (It was the Easter recess and Congress was supposed to be out of session for two weeks.)

So, since this was a technical call on Obama, I'm afraid the ruling on the field is overturned. Obama did not vote with the Republicans. He did not vote at all on this.

More info: http://uspolitics.about.com/od/electionissues/a/sb686_vote.htm
The dog that didn't bark: no recorded votes on March 20th, 2005 in the official record of the Senate. http://senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_109_1.htm
Official video of the March 20th, 2005 Senate session showing who was there and who raised the issue: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/congress/?q=node/69850&date=2005-3-20&hors=s
Official video of the March 20th, 2005 House session showing who was there and who raised the issue and the vote: http://www.c-spanvideo.org/congress/?q=node/69850&date=2005-03-20
Vote in the US House on the Schiavo bill: http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll090.xml

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MadMaddie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 07:26 PM
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15. Good to know!
But I am okay with any human that admits that they made an error in judgement. It doesn't correct the wrong but it's owing the decision.

This doesn't just apply to President Obama but anyone I may cross paths with.
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MidwestRick Donating Member (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 09:42 AM
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7. So since the Republicans did it
it must be ok for the Democrats to do it?
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Tippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 10:49 AM
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11. Republicans set the precident.............
What's fair for the goose is fair for the gander....
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TayTay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:04 AM
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12. Actually it isn't
And this is a discussion trap that Democrats should not fall into.

Republicans excel at putting out false equivalency arguments. This argument says that what the Republicans did was the same as what the Democrats did, so there is no difference between them. That ignores the motivating factors involved in the events.

The Senate actions were done according to the rules of the Senate in order to accommodate the "holds" or filibusters that the Republicans were using against the health care bill. The Republicans used procedural votes to block moving the legislation forward. According to the publicly available http://rules.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=HowCongressWorks.RulesOfSenate">Rules of the Senate, debate proceeded in a predictable and publicly announced way in accordance with the published rules for debate. (See specifically Rule XXII (rule 22) which governs cloture motions.)

The Senate had midnight discussions of Senators because the motion for cloture had not matured enough to vote on it. Had the Republicans wished, they could have waived the required 30 hours for debate. Democrats did not object to waiving the requirement, Republicans did. They did waive the 30 hours on Christmas Eve when they allowed an AM instead of PM vote on the finished bill.

This is not the same as what happened when the Republicans had their midnight sessions. The House operates with a filibuster. The leadership can unilaterally set the times for a vote and debate without the minority being able to undue that. (Repubs were in control of the House in 2005, btw.)

Beware the false equivalency argument. It is a way to pretend that Tom Delay was okay in what he did when he made up rules but Harry Reid was not okay when he followed the rules.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:26 AM
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13. YES. It's been done for decades, since before you were born...else, nothing
would get done around D.C.
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MidwestRick Donating Member (604 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:29 AM
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14. That may be a better option
Some of the crap that comes out of Washington, shouldn't.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-05-10 11:23 PM
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16. And have the Republicans also said they would broadcast everything on CSPAN?
I really don't understand what all the skulking about is mean to accomplish. The Republicans are dead in the water on this issue, so there's no point in hiding it from them. The public knows that the Senate and House have major bones to pick with each other, no surprise there that needs to be kept covered. We know there's backroom deals that are made to get swing votes to swing the proper way. No big shock.

So what's the shell game all about?
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