I knew it. The GOP has formed a shadow government and are planning a terrorist attack

[LovinLife]

Olbermann is saying the white house is investigating if intelligence wasn't shared on purpose. I suspect it was.


it's also why they're holding up so many appointments of Obama. They don't want his people in charge of certain agencies.

[samplegirl]

1. They will do "ANYTHING" to regain power!

[rhett o rick]

15. if that is true, why didnt they "do anything" to retain power? I was surprised how easily they gave

up their precious power. I think that they never had power, but were puppets of the corporate masters. And the corporate master saw that the public wanted change so they gave them change, but didnt give up power. Of course CorpAmerica would rather have Bush/Cheney but they will settle for Rahm/Obama.

[starroute]

17. There was certainly less corporate money for the GOP in 2006/08

I haven't figured out if that was just because the economy was tanking or if it was a deliberate withdrawal of support -- but you definitely didn't see the massive infusions of corporate cash in 2006/08 that were going to things like the Swiftboat Vets in 2004.

If it was deliberate, it was probably partly tied to the Bush administration's failure to push through Social Security privatization -- which was at the top of the corporate wish list in 2005.

But from the corporate point of view, letting the Democrats win a couple has several advantages. It raps the GOP on the knuckles to bring them to heel. It diverts public anger from Republican flaws and failures to Democratic flaws and failures. And having Democrats in power for a time can also wring some of the waste and corruption out of the system and give the corporations a fresh playing field. (This should probably be called the Zamboni theory of presidential elections.)

[rhett o rick]

40. Very well stated. nt

[leftstreet]

50. +1

And props for 'the Zamboni theory of presidential elections.' That's it exactly.

[quaker bill]

22. They knew the election fraud

would have to be too massive to go undetected. So, they propped up McCain and picked a particularly gullible nobody from BFE who had no serious shot at ever being President to run with him. There was never any intent on the part of the corporate side to win (or even steal) this presidential election for the republicans.

They settled because they did not have much of a choice. Further, while the bailouts have been good for them, profiting in the old robber baron way under Bush was far better. The problem was that he let it get out of control. The best parasites do not kill the host. Bush did not get this.

The best management from their perspective keeps the system running while tilting the table in their direction. It is important and most profitable over the long haul to keep the system running, so it is optimal for the tilt to only go so far. Bush did not have the knowledge or discipline.

[rocktivity]

33. The GOP didn't "give" it away--they just got lazy

They were vigilant in 2004 because they had to finish putting their plan in place, so they did in Ohio what they did in Florida in 2000. But in '06 and '08, they either didn't realize or couldn't face the fact that they just didn't have enough voters to win by a cheatproof margin. Either that, or they figured that getting LIEberman and Bachman in was enough!


rocktivity

[rhett o rick]

41. I dont agree. Their corporate masters decided to back the DLC/Rahm/Obama ticket.

That's why the "republicans" ran shit-for-brains and what's her name instead of someone that might have actually won. And they will do it again in 2012. CorpAmerica is happy with Pres Obama at this point. The republicans are tools of CorpAmerica.

[GoCubsGo]

35. So they could say, "We told you so..."

"See? We told you the Democrat Party is weak on terrorism! This attack proves it. Only we can keep you safe!" And, if there was an attack that caused large losses of life, the bed-wetting majority would fall in behind them lockstep, just like they did after 9-11.

[Djarun]

46. Who was President when 9/11 happened? I think most people forget who that was.....blame Obama!

[happy_liberal]

53. The economy was tanking and they wanted Obama to blame it on

They can and will steal it again if we do not do anything about our voting system.

[rwheeler31]

2. If that is true find these traitors and prosecute them.

[villager]

5. "Prosecuting" them -- instead of making nice -- would be a good first step

Towards some kind of bare salvaging of this once-nation...

[BR_Parkway]

31. Even more ironic if Obama declared them enemy combatants and

put them in GITMO first - they might actually understand the Constitutional protections they keep screaming about to deny others a little better that way.

[samplegirl]

3. When will the rest of America wake up???

[tledford]

37. You can't wake up from stupid, sadly. eom

[Parker CA]

4. This situation may have the potential to allow Obama to play very rough hardball politics

and actually push toward some prosecution of these assholes.

[wakemewhenitsover]

6. I would like very much to see Obama play very rough hardball politics...

...but I have become disillusioned about the prospect of that happening.

[Parker CA]

10. It's not likely the first or even second course of preferred action, I agree, but I'd love to see it

[CoffeeCat]

21. Well...Obama has two choices...

He can either play hardball and beat them at their own game---or he can allow them to
treat our democracy like their little Fascist playground and he can watch them rip
his Presidency to shreds.

These people aren't Obama's friends. I hope he's aware of that. They may have
wined and dined him in the beginning--in order to fold him into the fray and tell
him how the game is played.

The niceties stop there with these reptilian freaks.

[MadMaddie]

48. That's what I want to see! It's no longer a game that the Repugs

are engaged in, they are willfully hoping that Americans are murdered for political purpose.

[dgibby]

7. I suspect Keith would appreciate it if you would state ALL the facts

if you're going to reference his program in your OP.

Richard Wolfe reported that the WH is looking into 2 HYPOTHETICAL scenarios:

(I'm paraphrasing here, but this is the gist of what he said.)

1. Information is not being shared among the different security agencies due to turf wars.

2. Information was not shared deliberately because someone wanted someone to fail.

If anyone on Keith's show referred to the Republicans forming a shadow government to foment a terrorist attack, I am not aware of it.

[LovinLife]

12. I'm putting 2 & 2 together. Jeb Bush was talking about a Shadow Gov after Obama was elected.

There are Bush holdovers that want to see Obama destroyed.

[IndianaGreen]

8. Richard Wolffe is on Rachel Maddow

[Clio the Leo]

9. He's saying the CIA is hiding info from the WH?

.... in order to score political points .... and risking American lives in the process?

..... I'm calling BS on that one.

[IndianaGreen]

11. Even Truman did not trust the CIA, and neither should we!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=506785

[Alcibiades]

13. Absolutely they would

They lied to Congress, they can lie to the executive branch. They see themselves as above the law.

[Clio the Leo]

19. I missed the fact that this was coming from Richard Wolffe....

.... because of his relationship with the Obama team, what he says holds MAJOR weight IMO.

Very interesting.

[jberryhill]

26. Some of the re-telling is getting a bit afield of what Wolfe actually said

You should check the KO and Maddow segments firsthand.

[uponit7771]

14. I am not surprised nor will I be shocked if Bushies witheld information

[IndianaGreen]

16. Michael Leiter, head of National Counterterrorism Center, is a Bush holdover

There are gobs of Bush holdovers in the Pentagon alone.

[That Is Quite Enough]

18. "They don't want his people in charge of certain agencies."

Damn straight!

[CoffeeCat]

20. Is the lack of shared intelligence...

...on this underwear bomber in any way related to the multiple CIA agents
who were recently killed?

Getting rid of those "in the know", perhaps?

[Blasphemer]

23. I put nothing past the Neo-Con thugs

Not only do I believe they would let a terrorist attack happen (again), I believe they would try an assassination attempt. It turns out that Joe Biden is not too hawkish so that is probably the only thing stopping them.

[Zynx]

24. I'm no conspiracy theorist, but I wouldn't doubt that there are elements within the national

security establishment that don't like the current course and would do anything to bring back the Bush years. There are some nutty people in that crowd. They probably only have the ability to do something minor, but I would not put it past them to do it regardless.

[Arkana]

25. I...uh...wait, what?

The GOP is barely smart enough to put their pants on the right way in the morning--do you honestly in any way, shape or form believe they've created some sort of "shadow government"?

[sabrina 1]

45. Yes, because they already did it during the Bush administration.

Back then it was called 'The Office of Special Plans' where Cheney met frequently with his co-conspirators and out of which came much of the false information about WMDs in Iraq. These people are zealots. They had plans for this country, they found a forever threat with which to scare the American people into compliance. The Cold War threat ended, much to their disgust, so now they have an entity they call Al Queda which, they hope, can never be defeated meaning the US will always be at war.

If anyone still beieves they are not the most dangerous threat to this country, then they have not seen their handiwork in Iraq and Afghanistan, or read accounts of their torture program. Killing people means nothing to them as Iraq's million + dead citizens is a testimony to, all based on lies.

Obama may have thought he could 'get along' with them, but the only way to do that is to be completely obedient to all of their demands, like eg, starting a war in Iran. Closing Guantanamo was probably a slap in the face to them. This was their pride and joy after all.

I don't know how much control Cheney still has within the system, but he is very scared of being prosecuted for his crimes and has probably not felt completely safe since Bush left office. They need 'terror' to keep the public on their side to help justify their crimes torture and pre-emptive war. Letting a terror attack happen is not, imho beyond them. Unless you think that Cheney actually cares anything about American lives. In case anyone does, go back and look at what he was doing while NOLA residents drowned.

I, if I were Obama, would be very concerned about this cabal. I hope he realizes who his friends are, and who his enemies are. I'm sure Cheney despises him. Which under normal circumstances would be a compliment, except that Cheney is dangerous. Ask the families of one million dead Iraqis. When asked once if it bothered him that people would die in the wars he supported, he didn't even pretend, I remember getting chills when he said 'No'. At least that one time he told the truth.

[frylock]

47. the GOP has gotten practically everything it ever wanted..

this mindset that the GOP is too stupid to do shit is naive and dangerous.

[V_Byl]

51. Just because the GOP base is a bunch of...

...redneck, backwoods, gay-bashing, government hating, can't wait for Jesus to come back and burn the earth morons, doesn't mean the people running the show are stupid (No, Sarah Palin isn't running anything). At the end of the day, they need the votes from the racist, mouth breathing idiots that apparently this country has a large (majority) supply of.

Frustraitin', ain't it?

[Loudmxr]

27. The Cheney cabal is a real possibility.

They could have left a number of ticking time bombs in the military like the Hood guy. You have guys like Scheuer saying Osama should drop a bomb to wake up the American people.

Politically Obama/Hillary was a sure thing but in four years the Rethugs could come back if they engineered another Reichstag fire.

[Jamastiene]

28. Whether someone calls it a "shadow government" or not,

there is very definitely some major "turf war" type activity going on, along with a serious attempt to derail any Democratic president...

President Obama is entirely too trusting of all these Bush cronies that he is leaving in place in his own administration.

[Behind the Aegis]

29. Just plain sad.

:tinfoilhat:

[ima_sinnic]

30. yet the idea of progressives and real Democrats having places in this administration is laughed at

please, let's accommodate a few more "rivals" with "bipartisanship" and keep as many Bush appointees as possible in office.

[uponit7771]

32. Only if it's followed by the extreme factless Obama bashing

[Blue Owl]

34. The fearmongering -- it's all they have left

Those pathetic, cowardly pieces of shit can go to hell if they think they can pull this one off.

Fuck you Bu$hCo and your manufactured false flag terror.

Fuck you all.

[Union Yes]

36. The GOP is a party of terrorists. knr nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

38. Bit of a disconnect there...

between the WH investigating the possibility, and you being right.

[butterfly77]

39. I have been thinking all along that..

the different agencies were trying to sabatoge the President due,to all of the bush cronies that are in the government. These people don't give a damn about US all they want is power..

[kpominville]

42. After 8 years of Bush & Rove politicizing every agency

Is it any wonder that there are still partisan nut-jobs in high places who would love nothing more than to make Obama look bad?

[icee]

43. Yes. I've thought that for a while now. Dick Cheney facillitated

by Karl Rove. And they will be far far more powerful than a lightweight like Obama. Clinton prolly would have joined them. They have slipped up big time now, and will continue to do so. Doesn't it seem strange to anyone that Obama has backtracked on some fairly significant items. Time to jail a few neocons, make examples of them.

[Fire1]

44. A shadow government is common knowledge. Now add that

to sabotage and by george, you've got it!

[glinda]

49. There is a reason why Cheney keeps trying to divert attention from things. He is

most likely running it.

[avaistheone1]

52. Ubetcha.

:puke: :puke: :puke:

[Phlem]

54. Maybe Yes Maybe No

But it's about time we've figured out something's a miss here.

The flip side is just as bad however, when thugs are in office how many Democratic filibusters do you see delaying Republican appointments?
I'm guessing that number is closer to zero than we care to admit.

The plain fact is, if there's money in government, government will eventually be corrupt. I think that's where we're all sitting right now.

....Now how to fix this fricken mess permanently once and for all. No more fricken band aids and patch jobs, we need to be fixing things for good. Yes I understand health care can be fixed later, but the same goes for Nafta and how much better is that?

I'm just sick and tired of being sick and tired.

-phlem

[V_Byl]

55. ...also sick and tired...

and not sure how to fix the frickin mess either. Money already runs government, the two party system appears unbreakable - due to lack of money and apathy by most people.

There are probably plenty of ways to fix the broken system, but getting the fat cats to give up the gov't the control, that's something I don't know how to fix.

[crazyjoe]

56. can we delete this thread before someone see it ?

[deaniac21]

57. Truly entertaining!