Whoppee.. here we go.. now the right and their toadies are in a snit over the HCR debates

[Peacetrain]

Sorry saffron.. you did not want anything to do with HCR..you did everything you could to derail it.

Trying now to whine that the President is breaking a promise for transparency is just disingenuous.

We have had 9 months of transparency and the limits you were willing to go to to bring it down.. (the midnight and 1 AM votes were thanks to the repubs)

Transparency has exposed you.

The President did not promise to let you destroy everything he is trying to do and in the long the country so you can whine 24/7

He kept his promise on transparency.. we see you for what you are

[MNDemNY]

1. That's quite a spin on the" transparency" thingy!

Is that the new memo?? goddamn this is funny.

[jenmito]

2. Is Pelosi under the bus, too?

Pelosi tells C-SPAN: 'There has never been a more open process'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=110879&mesg_id=110879

[MNDemNY]

3. I don't have a bus.

But if she said that , she is being a politician. If she BELIEVES that, she is a fool.

[jenmito]

5. So, you think you're smarter than her?

She's no fool. She managed to get a health care bill farther along than anyone else EVER.

[Skittles]

14. pushing a piece of SHIT bill a long way is not an accomplishment

[jenmito]

17. But this is NOT a POS bill. If it were, all of the libs. wouldn't have gone along with it.

[MNDemNY]

28. Your problem, jenny, is that you and yours...

have seen this thing from day one as a battle against the republofucks, only caring about the "WIN", very little consideration of what this corporate give-away will do to our country, you are blinded by the quest for victory that you will sacrifice EVERYTHING to achieve your Pyrrhic victory. Time to step back and see that this president you are so blindly supporting does not have the country's best interests in mind on this issue. This bill does more long-term harm than any good. It must be killed.:*

[jenmito]

35. You're way off.

In more ways than one.

[Skittles]

38. no, he is not

he is exactly right

[MNDemNY]

41. Nope, you are blind to the truth.

[Peacetrain]

20. When you are sitting without insurance and praying that nothing happens because of a pre-existing

condition.. trust me this is not a POS..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8590485

[MNDemNY]

30. Yes, it is.

and I do not trust you. :thumbsdown:

[Peacetrain]

46. who asked you to trust me.. or cares... you need to get a life

that does not involve me

[MNDemNY]

50. Yes, you asked me to trust you.

Or did someone else post that under your name?:D

[Peacetrain]

51. I was not talking to you.. I was talking to someone else.. HELLO..

[MNDemNY]

57. In post 46?

Seems you may be delusional.

[Skittles]

39. it means NOTHING if COSTS ARE NOT CONTAINED

having insurance is NOT THE SAME as GETTING HEALTHCARE

[TheKentuckian]

54. I am, I do, it is.

Of course my bar isn't set on proposed by Democrats.

[IndianaGreen]

15. She agreed to the Stupak amendment

which tells me how low Pelosi is willing to go just to score a checkmark on the "Win" column.

[jenmito]

18. You just proved how little you understand about the process.

The final bill will not have the Stupak amendment in it. SHE knows that. You don't.

[IndianaGreen]

19. Women will still be under the bus after the final bill is revealed

Ben Nelson... hello?

[jenmito]

21. Um, no they won't...

Ben Nelson said he wants language consistent with the Hyde amendment. And he'll get it.

[IndianaGreen]

23. That's not what is in the Senate bill

It goes beyong Hyde amendment, a POS of legislation that no self-respected progressive could support.

[jenmito]

25. It's more liberal than the Hyde amendment. You say no self-respected progressive

could support it yet they ARE.

[IndianaGreen]

26. Soviet women had more reproductive rights in 1920 than American women do in 2010

How's that for progress?

[jenmito]

29. Whatever rights we have now we'll still have after this bill passes.

[IndianaGreen]

33. The Roe decision was the high water mark for reproductive rights. It's been downhill ever since!

It goes without saying that this does not by any means prevent us from demanding the unconditional annulment of all laws against abortions or against the distribution of medical literature on contraceptive measures, etc. Such laws are nothing but the hypocrisy of the ruling classes. These laws do not heal the ulcers of capitalism, they merely turn them into malignant ulcers that are especially painful for the oppressed masses. Freedom for medical propaganda and the protection of the elementary democratic rights of citizens, men and women, are one thing. The social theory of neomalthusianism is quite another. Class-conscious workers will always conduct the most ruthless struggle against attempts to impose that reactionary and cowardly theory on the most progressive and strongest class in modern society, the class that is the best prepared for great changes.

The Working Class and NeoMalthusianism (1913)

V.I. Lenin

http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/jun/29.htm

[jenmito]

37. And this has WHAT to do with this bill?

[IndianaGreen]

56. This bill pushes women further backwards!

That's what it has to do with this bill.

[MNDemNY]

32. No it acknowledges Hyde .And it goes further.

But you do not seem to care , you would shill it even with Stupak.

[jenmito]

36. Wrong.

[MNDemNY]

42. You will not support the bill with the Stupak language?

I think you would.

[jenmito]

43. No.

You think wrong.

[MNDemNY]

45. So if the Stupak language is in the final bill you will stand against it?

Bookmarking this post.:shrug: I'll bet you will not commit.

[jenmito]

47. How many times do I have to answer you? Yes. n/t

[MNDemNY]

49. You reralize that that is the ONLY thing likely to be advanced from the house bill, right?

[TheKentuckian]

55. What part of play ball or the President and the party's full weight will be against you

don't you get?

Our folks have been rolled and the conservatives rewarded for going off the reservation because the party has no few carrots and almost no sticks to prod them.

[MNDemNY]

22. "a" health care bill is not a "good" health care bill.

And if she believes that this is "transparency" then , yes, i an smarter than her. My dog is smarter than her if that is the case.:rofl:

[jenmito]

27. It's a good bill-it will help tens of millions of people.

And like Pelosi said, this bill process has had more transparency than any other bill.

[MNDemNY]

31. Nope more harm than good. Not worth it.

All you want is a "win" for this administration. I believe you would be shilling it if all it were was a discount on band-aids.

[jenmito]

40. Nope. MUCH more good than harm.

All you want is a "loss" for this administration. I believe you would be shilling against it if it had everything you want and nothing else.

[MNDemNY]

44. The word is "loss" but , no you are, again, wrong.

Your posts seem to lack any thought beyond "how can I shill this bill?" , how can I get the Rose Garden Bill signing?Dead clown for you.:+

[jenmito]

48. You finally got something right with your first four words.

Your opinions of my posts are wrong. Dead clown for you. :+

[Peacetrain]

6. So let me get this straight.. you want the republicans back in the process?

After nine months of them fighting everything, even when we tried to bring them in.. let them write amendments, (that they then voted against) you want them back in the middle of it. The bills have passed both houses..

Speaking of busses.. if I went back three or four weeks ago, will I find posts from you demanding that the Democrats act unilaterally?

HMMMMMM let me guess

[MNDemNY]

24. I want the bill to die, I do ot care who or what kills it.

I do not care if Ronnie himself rises from the grave to kill this shit pile. It must die. Those who call them selves "progressive" yet shill this bill are disingenuous,at best. And if "Democrats" had acted unilaterally to get a better bill, that would have been a good thing, but it has been shown that THIS is the bill that this administration WANTS passed. The corporatist wing of the party is in control. So at this point KILL THE BILL ANY WAY, ANY HOW!!!:P

[OregonBlue]

4. I think you mean HCR not HRC which is Hillary Rodham Clinton but I agree with you wholeheartedly.

[Peacetrain]

8. Dyslexia is my downfall.. thanks for the heads up.. I corrected it

[OregonBlue]

34. Not a criticism, just a heads up. Kinda dyslexic myself.

[girl gone mad]

7. I think you are confusing HCR with HRC.

:shrug:

HRC = Hillary Rodham Clinton

HCR = Health Care Reform

[Peacetrain]

9. No I am dyslexic.. and do that all the time.. nearly every post I do has to be edited

shortly thereafter.. I have corrected it.. :hi:

[IndianaGreen]

10. Was the PhRMA deal with White House part of that transparency thingy?

I would like to see all documents pertaining to discussions between the White House and PhRMA released to the public.

[Peacetrain]

11. Write to you congressperson and ask for it..

[IndianaGreen]

12. You know full well that only PhRMA and the White House are privy to what went on

Perhaps a lawsuit would be necessary if WH rejects FOIA request.

[Peacetrain]

13. Go for it..

[IndianaGreen]

16. I'll take a crack at it

It won't be the first time I submitted a FOIA request.

[Lilith Velkor]

52. Who the fuck is "saffron"?

[Peacetrain]

53. Whoever I determine saffron is.. in this case it is the republicans..