In Massachusetts it's the Health Care stupid

[bigdarryl]

According to the PPP poll and I don't mean favorably.If Brown wins this race it looks like Obama and team FUCKED UP by dropping the PUBLIC OPTION according to this poll there are Dems voting Rethug because of health care DAMN!!! Obama will you PLEASE!!! get rid of your advisers. http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/

[SemiCharmedQuark]

1. It doesn't say anything about the public option

It only says those unhappy with health care. I can't imagine there are many people dumb enough to vote for a teabagger because they want a public option.

[dkf]

3. Maybe people would rather they expanded Medicare and Medicaid in reconciliation

With 51 votes. It is ironic but having 51 might be better than 59 for just this health care bill.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

6. That is pretty shortsighted for a variety of reasons.

Not the least of which is that there are other issues besides health care that absolutely cannot be done through reconciliation.

[dkf]

13. Yes but they will possibly lose the supermajority over health care

If they had shoved a public option through I think this Senate seat would be no big deal. But piss off unions and break promises on middle class tax increases and you have created a lot of grief for yourself.

I will be pissed if we lose this seat. But I wouldn't be surprised.

[karynnj]

21. They could NOT shove it through

They tried. They need 60 votes for it and they do not have them. The unions were not going to get access to the public option anyway - NOW, they will have access to the exchange in 2017, but that happened yesterday.

The unions now being on board may change that.

[dflprincess]

35. They're in charge

they could have changed the rules and lowered the number of votes needed for cloture. Or they could have changed them to require that anyone who wants to fillibuster has to keep speaking nonstop.

Meaningful reform could have been passed if the Democrats had wanted to do it.

[DJ13]

5. It only says those unhappy with health care.

The voters in Mass already have experience with the kind of system Congress seems determined to pass.

Maybe they dont appreciate the Dems right now because they know how badly it screwed them up?

[bigdarryl]

7. Common sense is if they are Dems voting against Health care you

know it's because of the public option. When Obama won the state they knew he wanted health care with a public option and they voted for him overwhelmingly. With Big Ed ranting for three mouths about voting against Dems not in favor of a public option this to I think is having an effect

[SemiCharmedQuark]

8. I refuse to believe that any Liberal Dem would be stupid enough to vote for a teabagger.

I can understand being angry about the public option, but I would think that would result in what I feel is the biggest threat-staying home. II wouldn't think that people would vote for a RW nutjob.

[dflprincess]

10. I think you're correct - they won't vote for Brown,

but they may very well be so fed up with the Democrats that they stay home and the Democrats in D.C. have no one but themselves to blame if that's what happens.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

11. Yes, I think that is the far bigger threat.

[shopgreen]

19. you are probably right.

[treestar]

28. No, the people who stay home do

They are the ones who will be worse off with Brown representing their state.

[dflprincess]

36. So, how many times do you let someone hit you before you

stop believing them when they promise to change?

Those currently in charge of the Democratic party has abandoned the base and they shouldn't be surprised when the voters stop believing their empty promises.

[dkf]

14. Staying home. Not getting out the vote. Not Donating funds.

[Mass]

23. Same effect. Same thought line that gave us Bush.

[treestar]

30. And letting Republicans win.

[karynnj]

22. In the general election there was very little attention to details

like the public option. Even in the primaries, it was never a major issue. (Yes I know it was mentioned.)

[burning rain]

16. I can't speak to Massachusetts specifically....

but nationwide, it was striking how support for health care reform went underwater right after the public option was dropped. Now, for my own part, I still think the bill's worth passing, but at the same time I can't twist every other American's arm and make him take my position.

I can't imagine there are many people dumb enough to vote for a teabagger because they want a public option.

I'm not so worried they'll order tea on election day, as just not show up to vote, period.

[quakerboy]

34. Maybe not

But I can imagine that there are a few who might stay home, Believing that no one in the race will stand for what they want.

[Clio the Leo]

2. Not according to this poll....

... it's jobs.


http://ow.ly/WFRk

What is the most important issue facing our next U.S. Senator?

Healthcare: 38%

Economy/Jobs: 44%

Taxes: 1%

War: 5%

Education: 0%

Spending/Budget: 3%

National Security/Terrorism: 1%

Other: 4%

Don’t know: 4%

[Mass]

4. Dont trust Suffolk. Their track record in horrible and their internals in this poll beyond stupid.

This said, I agree that healthcare in MA is not the issue. Jobs is.

[Clio the Leo]

12. Their sampling pool was teeny huh?

Only 500. The others I've seen had three times that many.

[seaglass]

20. But that is the problem. The focus has been way too much on healthcare when

it is jobs that are the most important to MA voters and it is hurting Martha Coakley. I swear they are tone deaf.

[treestar]

29. It's even dumber to stay home then, if jobs are what it is about

Why do they think Brown would help them? He'd just join the other 40 repukes in the filibuster.

[Aramchek]

9. Bullshit

[TomCADem]

15. So, Brown Supports A Public Option? Single Payer?

It seems like the trolls are working over time with the talking points that make no sense. People in Mass are voting for Scott Brown, a tea partier, because health care reform is not liberal enough. Sorry, I give a little more credit to the people of Mass.

[treestar]

27. Reminds me of the Freepers who insist McDope lost because he was too

"liberal." As if people on the far right voted for Obama because McDope was too liberal. :rofl:

[A-Long-Little-Doggie]

33. Thank you.

For giving us a little credit. Many posters are suggesting that we are stupid enough to do vote for Brown or stay home so that we can "protest" the single payer option being dropped. WTF?? How does giving the Reps another seat going to get us a better health care bill?

[dflprincess]

37. It won't

but giving the Democrats huge majorities didn't get us reform either. In fact, the Senate bill is closer to what McCain was proposing during the campaign than anything the Democrats talked about when they were trying to get our votes.

I can't understand why anyone would vote for Brown, but I can understand why fed up Democrats and independents would stay home.

[A-Long-Little-Doggie]

40. Staying home IS voting for Brown. n/t

[GivePeaceAchance]

17. Well it's all in their hands not the best way to send a message to the WH, we walk away they move mo

right, that's how it goes. I would respond it's 1994!, much valued electorate. Time travel was great in back to h future but in the real world it could potentially suck really bad. People will say it sucks now, no, you ain't seen nothing yet.

[David Zephyr]

18. Obama chose his advisers. They are the people he wanted to surround him.

I posted here about his rotten Cabinet choices when he originally made them.

[Faryn Balyncd]

24. Things really STINK when the best hope of stopping Baucus-Lieber-Care is electing a RW nutbag in MA.

When those who know better won't draw the line when "reform" cements forever a Corporate-insurance-only mandate, and allow themselves to be bullied by Senate obstructionists.

Maybe a few politicians think passing a bad billed is better than nothing, but Americans know better.

If we pass this stinking bill, Massachusetts is just a taste things to come.

The middle class, which supported Democrats in 2006 and Obama in 2008, now betrayed, will vote with their pocketbooks.

[bvar22]

25. LESS than 35% of ALL Americans....

...support MANDATES without a Public Option.

What do the Democrats think is going to happen? :shrug:

[treestar]

26. So Brown would have voted for the public option?

:sarcasm:

Talk about shooting selves in feet.

[golfguru]

31. It could also be UNemloyment in Mass

Does any one know unemployment numbers in Massachusetts?

[Kaleva]

38. 8.3% in Nov. December numbers will be released later this month.

[RBInMaine]

32. The Senate votes do not exist for a public option, and not even reconciliation on it.

[krawhitham]

39. They could not get a PO pass the blue dogs

Blame Obama because that is all this site does, but it is not his fault they could not get a PO past the blue dogs

[Mimosa]

41. HIS 'advisors'? Who's the boss? n/t

[mkultra]

42. Your own link make YOU A LIAR again

<snip>
Brown has made a strong case for why he should be elected while only 41% say the same of Coakley. That speaks to voter perceptions that Brown has run the superior campaign and again you have to wonder how different things might be if Coakley had acted with a sense of urgency ever since the primary.
<snip>

[Phx_Dem]

43. Bullshit. PPP sucks badly.

[Sebastian Doyle]

44. Massachusetts voters know what the current "health care" clusterfuck looks like

...as they have been living with that particular nightmare for years now.

I don't know if that would make them vote for a naked teabagger, but I do wish they would be more vocal about what that shit has done to their state.