I am so fed up with uber-righteous liberals I could spit,.

[Perky]

Little way to spin Obama's trip to Mass and robocalls. Internal polling must be scary No one to blame for this other than that Dems did not choose a particularly strong candidate.

Key is going to be getting out the liberals in droves. They sit on their hands, they can be blamed for losing Teddy's seat and HCR and the super majority.

It is the bluest state, where a tea partier can only win if Dems stay home in droves. Shameful if the kindest word I can use,


Sometime liberal angst can be the worst enemy of the Democratic party. "Screw pragmatism. we stand for principle only or we sit on our lazy asses."

You'll decry where we are on a bunch of fronts and then blame moderates for election losses while in the same breath claim we are basically a liberal country. Quit the whining and vote dems wherever/wheneve you can or go find another party.

[JVS]

1. I'm fed up with people shitting on liberals and then getting mad when they don't beg for more

Here's the deal: if you alienate people, it's your job to find the replacements

[dflprincess]

3. We have Rahm saying they don't need the left

but if any elections are lost, it will be our fault.

Those currently in charge better make up their minds because it can't be both ways.

[democrat2thecore]

55. Thank you - well said. Forget the left - EXCEPT at election time! -nt

[kristopher]

137. +++

[GreenPartyVoter]

54. +1000!

[susanr516]

74. What you said nt

[roguevalley]

123. agreed. I thought I would never see the day when Libs got shit on so much

in our party. sad day.

[niceypoo]

126. The party is being frogmarched to the right

A right wing is emerging in the Democratic party and has taken up the position of the Republicans in the late 90s when they started making 'liberal' a dirty word.

[KakistocracyHater]

129. what Dem2theCore said, pardon me DFLPrincess said it

total bull's eye. So which is it I wonder? Don't need us or...?

[Raine]

130. Agree, totally! nt

[golddigger]

133. +1

[gateley]

2. And after choosing perhaps not the best candidate, they didn't do much to

ensure her victory. Scrambling around at the last moment. It is SOOOO Dem!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

4. If they're not supporting Coakley

they're not really liberals.

[geckosfeet]

5. Coakley has been all but invisible - asleep at the wheel. Poorly run campaign.

The repuglicans have run an aggressive nonstop in your face campaign. Pumping money for mail efforts, signs and phone (not robo) calls.

I can't stand Brown but he has out campaigned Coakley by several country miles.

[rhett o rick]

6. Please tell us how you differ from a liberal? What liberal issues do you not support? nt

[rhett o rick]

7. And plez make it quick. I have a hunch this thread is going to get locked real soon. nt

[Perky]

15. on what basis?

You think this is flamebait? I am not calling anyone out specifically

[rhett o rick]

I am glad you asked. You claim to be a super Democrat. Wanting only for Democrats

to prevail. Yet you deliberately inflame liberals instead of allying with them to insure Democratic victories. You apparently separate yourself from liberals as if you are on a different team, yet wont tell us what your team is. What are your principles.

We need a unified Democratic Party and your OP isnt helping.

[Perky]

8. There is not an issue I disgree with liberals on. But I will not allow my principles screw all esle

[timeforpeace]

11. You say principles but you mean ideology. Most here are ideologues like you.

[rhett o rick]

20. I am interested in discussing this further, if you dont mind.

I am not arguing just trying to understand.

Do you view being an ideologue as bad?

When you say that most here are ideologues like the poster, do you know their ideology? Because, I never can get them to state what their ideology is.

Aren't ideology and principles similar?

I am not very learned in these areas so would appreciate your input.

thanks

[timeforpeace]

28. Ideology is pragmatic. Principles are forever and trump ideology and pragmatism. That's why she has

it backwards. It's frequently said here the repukes keep coming back because they stick to their principles. Unfortunately this is spot on. It costs them elections but gets them back after the country has tried pragmatism and ideology. They are consistent election to election, decade after decade. Not right, but consistent. We embrace change which require pragmatism and ideological decisions. Ben Nelson sold out his principles for the pragmatic goal of much greater Medicaid funding for Nebraska. Now his principles clashed with HCR reform success, but that's the point and the difference.

[rasputin1952]

35. Principles are not "forever"...

as people change, usually by offloading ignorance, some principles change. I have known people who have held true to their principle that Capital Punishment is fine, usually based on what they had been taught as children. When they realize it does nothing to reduce the crime rate, they tend to turn away from it. That was their only rationality for supporting it, when it went, so did support.

Choice is another item that is based on a principle...yet, when people realize that what someone does with their own body 500 hundred miles away, in obscurity...it has no impact on them. There is often achan ge in principle. One may not advocate abortion, but they advocate chaoice.

GLBT Rights are another instance of principle change. Once these were seen by most of the population as Human Rights, people began to change far more quickly. Those who hold to the "principle" that the GLBT community is somehow other than equal are soon to be in the minority, and a slim one at that.

Principles are not "forever...but ignorance can be. It depends on the individual, but when they finally get around to opening their eyes...things change...:D

[rhett o rick]

38. Well put. But a problem I am seeing in both the party and DU is that since

the republican party shrunk and many moved to our big tent they brought their principles with them. Now they are Democrats yet their principles are a lot different from those that I believe a Democrats should have. I see more and more of these posts in here where posters attack the left and some the other way round. If the party is going to shift to the right to embrace those new ex-republicans, it is going to leave the left out in the cold.

Do you see OP's like this one as divisive? Just wonderin

[rasputin1952]

43. To be perfectly honest...

I've seen a lot worse on DU over the past few months.

I have seen members go off the rails trying to out shout each other on how "terrible the D's are", "where is my party?" "If I didn't get it yesterday, I quit!!!...(but I'm gonna stay here and squawk about it)".

We worked hard to get a D president, a D congress and start to change things. I don't want an R in office period, if they can't do anything other than block legislation by sitting around saying "No".

Right now, Ron Christie (R moron) is talking about "the arrogance of power", "one party control"...as if the GOP never existed during their horrific time of "one party control". If an R told me the sky was blue, I'd go out and check.

We should be working together to crush the neo-con GOP out of existence, into powder and see what comes up after they are gone...;)

[rhett o rick]

13. I am very interested (honestly) what you mean by the statement that you will not

allow your principles to screw all else. Correct me if I got that wrong.

I understand that your saying that there is something more important to you than principles. Can you explain?

[Perky]

17. I want big Democratic Majorities whereever possible

Screwing that for the sake of liberal principles and allowing the GOP to get off the mat anywhere is short sided and stupid.

[IndianaGreen]

24. I wouldn't refer to corporate scums like Max Baucus and Evan Bayh as the sort of people we want

They have consistently sided with the corporations against the people. What's the point of a Democratic Congress, like the ones we elected in 2006 and 2008, if we are only going to get grief from corporate whores having a "D" after their names?

This abuse spouse relationship must come to an end!

[rhett o rick]

26. So you dont care where we go as long as the Democrats take us there?

Are you saying that being a Democrat is more important than having principles?

By the way, it is not constructive to call other Democrats "short sided and stupid".

[Perky]

36. No I am saying that the only way to get there is with the DEMS

Liberale, Modes and even Blue Dogs. Why because I take the long view and understand that he who holds the middle holds the power.


If a Dem agrees with me 80% of the time I am happy.

[rhett o rick]

41. So you are saying the liberals dont agree with you at least 80% of the time?

Be curious what you dont agree on.

[Perky]

78. No I am sying that if any DEM that agrre with the base on 80% he ought to be supported

If he is only with us half the time I wold rather have him at 50% than a republican 0% of the time

In a big tent party you have to tolerant of moderate element to get things done. the only way that is to elect more liberals. the problem is that there are only 435 districts some will always be deep blue some crimson red, the rest are purple and in order to secure and hod those seat an maintain a working majority. you have to tolerate moderate reps. because the District will never be solid blue without libs bending a bit. That is just the geopolitical reality. SO when we don't support the Dem, we put the seat up for grabs and put the agenda in far more precarious position.

I want the Republican Part destroyed but the ONLY wy to do that is to elect moderate Dems and support them even when they vote agaisn what a liberal may want half the time.

[rhett o rick]

42. So how do you feel about Ben Nelson or Mary Landreau

or Lieberman or Specter?

[Hell Hath No Fury]

60. And how is that "big Democratic majority" --

doing for us right now, hmmm? House, Senate, White House -- all owned by us, the Ds -- and We the People are still getting shit on.

Thanks but no thanks.

[Perky]

80. So we have primary challengers whio can't win in November?

and the Te baggers take seat we hold today?

[nashville_brook]

9. the breakroom at work was abuzz with conservative GLEE over the impending win

i'm not hopeful for this race. she's a TERRIBLE choice for Kennedy's seat.

[CakeGrrl]

12. And the alternative candidate...?

Like or not, those are the choices. Anyone who thinks the R is a better deal is not really thinking too clearly, IMO.

[Nite Owl]

10. Well those centrists

should get off their bottoms and get themselves up to MA.

I think MA wanted the public option, they 'reformed' healthcare already and now are being asked to pay for the rest of the country to catch up to them. Their Romney reform is isn't doing that well, they want more. This bill is awful, it does nothing for my family, we are better off now in NY.

[Hansel]

140. This isn't just about health care.

This is about filibustering and obstructionism. MA has some pretty short sighted voters if they really think this is only about health care. But I bet Brown didn't spell it out by running a campaign slogan "I will make sure that Obama never ever gets a vote on any legislation again."

The Senate is going to just have to lean even further to the right to get anything done if Brown wins in order to pick up Snow or Collins.

[TreasonousBastard]

14. Well, I pretty much ignore what anyone outside of MA has to say...

since few of us can really do shit to help or hinder Coakley.

But anyone up there daring to self-identify as liberal, progressive, or anything else remotely related to the Democratic Party and doesn't at least get off his or her dead ass and vote for Coakley should be tarred, feathered, and sent to live in a revival camp in Mississippi. Anyone actively working against her ought to be sentenced to life in the Bush library.

That asshole running against her seems to be running a real campaign, while Coakley is kinda sitting around waiting for a coronation, which is obvously not to be. Best thing is for the whiny purists to find a little energy to help out with the phone banks, GOTV, or something.

Wanna bet they'll find an excuse not to? And it will be a real good excuse, too. You betcha.

[Little Star]

16. That attitude is part of the problem. How about we stand up for

Democratic principles and not sell out to the insurance industry behind closed doors?

[Perky]

18. By electing Democrats where ever we can

where we so not have to compromise so much for 218th vote or the 51st or the 60th,

[provis99]

66. bullshit. We already had massive majorities in both houses.

We could have a 90-10 advantage in both houses, and we will still get the same Blue Dog, DLC, corporatist bullshit that we've had since 2006.

[quaker bill]

117. You know that you are incorrect.

We do have a modestly large majority in the House, where all you need is a dependable majority of one.

We have a small majority in the Senate, where 60 votes is called for. When push comes to shove we only have 53 to 54. When FDR was rockin and rollin he had a majority of 84 to 16.

[hootinholler]

19. Don't piss down my neck

and tell me it's raining.

We need a liberal party that will endorse Democratic candidates when apropos and run our own when not.

-Hoot

[Perky]

22. A liberal party would only hurt the cause.

by alienating moderate voters we need to win elections as dems

[depakid]

29. "winning" so called "moderate" voters is yet another self-destructive myth

that's been shown to be loser time and time again.

[rasputin1952]

40. Want to see a real loser?...

try getting a "fringer" elected from either party...ain't gonna happen.

Virtually all political battles are fought around the centerone can lean either way...but if one topples either way...it's over.

No one fights to win their "base over", they just tend to cater to them to a degree to ensure they get out and do the dirty work. Everything is won or lost in the center, and it comes down to..."what's in it for me?" National elections are run on the economy, both parties gain and suffer on economic twists and turns.

[depakid]

48. "ain't gonna happen.????"

It happens all the time on the Republican side!

May well happen again in Massachusetts.

You appear to have fallen into the same sort of learned helplessness that became the losing orthodoxy (and losing "strategy") among Democrats for years.

People don't want some timid, complicit stand for nothing "centrist" (actually there's no such thing as Lakoff http://www.alternet.org/story/60164/there_is_no_political_center,_there_are_no_centrists/?comments=view&cID=716465&pID=716280">shows us).

Americans time and again have demonstrated that they vote for those perceived to stand up and fight for what they believe in (even when what voters don't always "believe in it" themselves).

Candidates who chase the ephemeral center on the other hand, more than not look wishy washy, wavering and weak -just as representatives in Congress do when they grovel to the likes of Lieberman.

[rasputin1952]

51. Names please...

In the House, districts can be overwhelmingly stupid, but they are gerrymandered to ensure a party prevails, think Bachmann, and the TX fiasco.

far different in the Senate, where one must get the majority of an entire state. Many of those who are acting like idiots now, didn't when they ran...and they've lost a lot of support w/in their respective states. President....even bush ran as a moderate.

[depakid]

56. If Brown doesn't suit you (or the Rahm "strategy" of loading the party with backstabbing blue dogs)

Maybe Santorum will do.

Fact is that these types win because they AND their party are perceived to believe in and fight for their traditional values, whereas Democrats are (rightly) perceived as willing (almost eager) to sell their own traditional values out.

This is not a "new" observation. As Harry Truman astutely noted:

"Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for the real Republican all the time."

Same holds true for public perceptions of the party.

[hootinholler]

31. Your "moderate" voters are right of the center when I was growing up.

You can't move the center left by moving to the right.

Choosing between bad and worse is still bad, there Perky. I'm tired of bad, give me someone who will fight for justice, for our rights and defend us from the uber 1% who have captured 90%.

-Hoot

[rhett o rick]

34. Are you wooing the liberals or threatening them? Is this Rahmbo? nt

[Zenlitened]

120. Help, I've lost track here...

What is the cause that would be hurt by liberalism? :shrug:

[ima_sinnic]

27. +++1

[ima_sinnic]

21. but Rahm said "not to worry about the Left"--so what're you worried about?

"who else are they going to vote for?"

you mean, some voters aren't that motivated to vote? gee, I wonder why?
I mean, it's not like they've been insulted and ignored or anything ...

[flyarm]

47. Rahm's words..

Rahm Emanuel Tells Liberals To Kiss His Arse [/b

[WeDidIt]

88. Nice strawman

Want to provide the full quote and the context?

I knew that your didn't.

[depakid]

23. Amazing how people remain in denial

How many times do folks need to see the same exact process at work before they learn?

A party whose leadershi publicly sells out its constituencies- turning popular policies into unpopular ones with nary a fight, then makes alliances with unpopular and abusive corporate interests that are the objects of populist anger and resentment is- going to lose its support.

Who's going to get all fired up to go out and work for or GOTV for any candidate from such a party?

That's just basic human nature.

[treestar]

25. They practically salivate over the idea of 41 Republicans

Just so they can gloat over the Democrats.

Which means nothing more could be done about the economy! And some of them claim to be unemployed!

And nothing could be done about anything, any of the pet causes they say they espouse.

[BeyondGeography]

30. Righteous

K&R

[DCBob]

32. They are confused, naive and have short memories of what it was like to be governed by the GOP..

However, to be fair, I do believe a large chunk of the potential no shows will be due simply to complacency and lack of enthusiasm. That is why it is good that Clinton and Obama are going there to stir things up.

[ima_sinnic]

33. right. blame "the liberals" when a mediocre "centrist" loses an election.

why aren't you in Mass. going door-to-door with your real "winning" strategy of berating the voters? It's sooo effective to throw a tantrum on an Internet forum! I bet your OP is moving all those "whiny liberals" in Mass. off their asses!

[Perky]

49. I will blame liberals if a Tea Party Conservative beats a Dem in Massachussetts

In any other state nope. In my home state of Massachussest... Only the liberals protesting in silence are to blame

[ima_sinnic]

59. hey, give them a principled liberal instead of an unprincipled centrist to vote for, then

you can't "make" people vote for someone they don't want to.
If they're not voting, who says they're "protesting"? You imply that "liberals" are actually spending time "calculating" and "plotting." Maybe they're just apathetic. If the candidate doesn't inspire people to vote for her, that's the voters' fault? You can't run any old person with a D after their name and say, vote for this person or else.*



*disclaimer: I don't know that much about Coakley but am talking in more general terms. The principle applies no matter the candidate. The voters vote for the candidate they want, or they might not feel moved to vote at all. Perception is everything--if they perceive little difference between the two, or they feel their concerns are not represented by either candidate, why bother to vote? That's the way elections work.

[Perky]

84. What the heck is an "Apathetic Liberal"?

[ima_sinnic]

98. a liberal with no candidate who represents him or her (nt)

[bardgal]

70. Me too.

it's insane.

[Moochy]

94. Whew as long as you avoid all blame or responsibility !

The candidates performance is irrelevant all failures are the liberals fault.

All successes come from the centrists.

You've got the BlueDUDawg talking points down pat.

[niceypoo]

124. I will blame the new right wing Democrats

Who have taken over the position the Republicans held back in the late 90s, endlessly whining about and blaming everything on 'the libruls.'

[Fire1]

37. Damn straight!! n/t

[msongs]

39. or maybe some voters dont want to vote for sellouts who will not stand for liberal principles? nt

[Perky]

79. And then what??

Allow the Tea Bagger to win.


I would rather have some one who voter with Dems 50% of the time then never.

[insanity]

44. Agree!

We can never get liberal policies pushed forward if we don't get Democrats elected.

[flyarm]

45. wow the Op reminds me of someone else..not exactly a way to get people out to vote!

hey Op..did you take lessons on class from this guy?

Rahm Emanuel Tells Liberals To Kiss His Arse

and if I was you I would lay off liberals and get on top of this shit..

Coakley in trouble? Pharma and HMO lobbyists to the rescue
By: Timothy P. Carney
Examiner Columnist
01/09/10 1:55 PM EST

Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley speaks during a news conference at her campaign headquarters in Charlestown, Mass. Monday, Jan. 11, 2010. (AP Photo/Elise Amendola)
With Democrat Martha Coakley in trouble in the Massachusetts special election to fill Ted Kennedy's seat, Democrats could lose vote No. 60 for President Obama's health-care bill. In response, an army of lobbyists for drug companies, health insurance companies, and hospitals has teamed up to throw a high-dollar Capitol Hill fundraiser for Coakley next Tuesday night. The invitation is here.
Of the 22 names on the host committee--meaning they raised $10,000 or more for Coakley--17 are federally registered lobbyists, 15 of whom have health-care clients. Of the other five hosts, one is married to a lobbyist, one was a lobbyist in Pennsylvania, another is a lawyer at a lobbying firm, and another is a corporate CEO. Oh, and of course, there's also the political action commitee for Boston Scientific Corporation.
All the leading drug companies have lobbyists on Coakley's host committee: Pfizer, Merck, Amgen, Sanofi-Aventis, Eli Lilly, Novartis, Astra-Zeneca, and more. On the insurance side of things, Blue Cross/Blue Shield, Cigna, Humana, HealthSouth, and United Health all are represented on the host committee.

She's bought and paid for by the healthcare industry and Big Pharma. People are sick and tired of this shit.

Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway...

[bardgal]

46. I'm so fed up with back-stabbing Dems!

WTF! Seriously! Obama has accomplished so much in his first year, yet because he didn't come in and magically *blink* everything perfect like Jeannie, everyone has turned against him. Does anyone pay attention to how government actually works? He must work WITH Congress, which unfortunately is so dysfunctional at this point it's a wonder that he's accomplished as much as he has. If we lose the seat in MA on Tuesday and get the scary Cosmo-posing-naked rightwing nutter of a teabag-handjob because dems are whiny and mad they didn't get their perfect Obama Dream Pony™, I fear we're far more ignorant as a nation than I ever thought possible.

The dismantling of this nation began long ago with the Reagan era deregulations, and Bush & Co spent another eight years destroying it even more, while putting poison pills in place that are plaguing Obama now, and everyone actually thought they could wake up and he'd have Harry Potter's magical wand and make everyone's life perfect? Where are all those people who knocked on doors for his election? I guess most of them thought they'd done their job just getting him in office.

One guy. You think one guy can destroy the behemoth insurance and bank industries by himself overnight? Perhaps it is Obama's fault that he actually had the audacity to not just hope, but believe we all had his back, including congress and all the people who voted him into office. But no - everyone insisted he play hardball and play just like Bush, instead of playing chess and attaining lasting change in the long run that the crazies couldn't overturn after he's gone, but no - we need instant gratification and if he doesn't play like we want to we demonize him and take our toys and refuse to participate.

"Why doesn't Obama come to work?" "Why doesn't he put out these conservative fires?" I keep hearing and reading that shit every day. Well, I'll tell you why I think he's doing what he's doing the way he's doing it...... So he doesn't look like the hysterical media that we all get our information filtered thru. Prime example is the new book GAME CHANGER - with everything in that book, what is the ONE THING everyone is beating into the ground? Harry Reid speaking the truth and using the word "negro"? REALLY??? When there is so much other stuff in their about how beyond stupid Sarah Palin is and why everyone should be running McCain out of the country on a rail for picking someone that stupid to be a heartbeat away from the presidency, we've collectively allowed the right to control this talking point and change our focus and we bought it.

The teabaggers are stupid. I never thought we were close, but I'm changing my mind.

[flyarm]

50. I don't want magic..i just want what he himself promised and this health care bill damn sure is not

that..

However it is what McCain promised! And what Obama campaigned against.

I want Obama just to follow our constitution and not do the signing statements he campaigned against..

I just want Obama to stop FISA spying on us and tapping our phones and data basing our emails...simply following our constitution!

and i wanted Health care for the poor and those without insurance ..but not by fucking the middle class..and taxing the middle class on their plans!

pretty simple stuff,..

oh and about these wars..I want his DOJ to stop spying on and infiltrating peace groups nation wide.

Is that too much to ask????

and if you think it is..then I question your democratic credentials.

[bardgal]

67. The Healthcare Reform bill isn't DONE YET

My day job is working in an INSURANCE AGENCY. The Health Insurance companies are not only the most evil things in the universe, they're more powerful than your brain can comprehend. Single Payer is what will work, but we cannot start at the finish line with this kind of opponent, nor can we play fair, open, or up front - why? Because they're not, nor will they ever. A lot of the teabaggers are on their payroll.

Even though the "Public Option" plan was never fully formed, the Right demonized it to the point many on the left fell for their poison and shot it down. What IS still in the Senate version is an almost-single-payer-like entity of a non-profit company running a care plan (with government oversight) which was, btw, how most health insurance worked before Reagan & the GOP deregulated everything back in the '80s. THANKFULLY the Right doesn't seem to understand how this will work, so they aren't talking about it and haven't jumped on it - yet. The Insurance companies are SCARED OUT OF THEIR MINDS - so much so that not only are they raising everyone's rates and discontinuing very successful plans (that they actually have to pay out claims for), but we got a letter this week stating that Small Group Health (2-50 employees), will get rate increases more than once a year at renewal. You are an employer who thinks you have an agreement/contract with an an insurance company for your company and your rates are locked in for a year? NOPE. Not any more. Apparently there's no law in California against this kind of thing. They must give you insurance for small group - it's guaranteed issue, that is the law, and they can only make your RAF (Risk Adjustment Factor) as high as 1.10% - but so what? They will be able to raise your rates every month if they want, and will Sacramento stop them? Not bloody likely. Sound familiar? Remind you of anything? Oh....let's say like.... credit card companies?

The Health Reform Bill IS NOT FINISHED YET. And until it is, I'm going to wait and see what happens. Do I want a "Public Option"? Actually I want Single Payer - and everyone is covered - and I mean EVERYFRAKKINONE. Every person who is breathing in these 50 states - tourists, illegals, EVERYONE. Why? Because I'm not magically not going to catch their plague if I deny them access to a doctor. Giving EVERYONE medical access makes EVERYONE healthier, and helps stop the spread of disease. If anyone thinks a massive pandemic can't happen here, they're beyond ignorant.

Healthcare is only ONE THING that is wrong with this country and is destroying us - the banks, the environment, immigration, corporate tax dodging, outsourcing US jobs overseas, OUR HORRID EDUCATION SYSTEM (because collectively we seem to be dumber than a bunch of rocks and it's only getting worse - let's face it, if Michelle Bachmann can actually get elected there's some can't fix stupid people out there), and the list goes on.

[Number23]

53. +20 Righteous rant contained within another one (the OP)

Kicked and rec'd

[bvar22]

63. Lets review what Obama has "accomplished" this year:

*WARS fully funded and EXPANDING. Bill sent to our children…...Mission Accomplished !

*Trillion Dollars given to friends and campaign contributors on Wall Street. No Strings Attached...Mission Accomplished!

*Military Spending INCREASED....Mission Accomplished!

*Trillion+ Dollars given to the Health Insurance Industry. Easily Avoidable, symbolic only strings attached....Mission almost Accomplished!

*Force all Americans to buy invisible products from For Profit Corporations who produce nothing tangible and create no wealth.....Mission almost Accomplished!

*Kill the possibility for a REAL "Public Option" or REAL Universal Health Care for at least another generation, and begin the “Entitlement Reform” defunding of Medicare (-$500 Billion)....Mission almost Accomplished!

*Block ANY REAL re-regulation of BIG BANKS and Credit Cards....Mission Accomplished!

*Protect the Bush War Criminals and Torturers from JUSTICE....Mission Accomplished.

*Throw the GBLTs under the bus and expand "faith based" initiatives....Mission Accomplished!

*Reinforce the worst Police State provisions of the Patriot Act....Mission Accomplished!

*Protect the very richest. Tell the Working Class that they CAN WILL compete with 3rd World Slave Labor for their jobs.....Mission Accomplished!

*EFCA (Employee Free Choice Act) killed in the crib....Mission Accomplished!

*More Anti-LABOR "Free Trade"....Mission almost Accomplished!

*Jobless Recovery....Mission Accomplished

*The Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party SHUT OUT of the Obama Administration…...Mission Accomplished!

*Accelerate the destruction of Public Education...Mission Accomplished!

*Bury next generation under such a debt burden that they will never be able to afford any social or economic programs that will benefit their Working Class....Mission Accomplished.

Oh YES!
Man, I LOVE me all this CHANGE!!!
I can't wait to vote for MORE of THIS!


The DLC New Team
Working Class Democrats Need NOT Apply

(Screen Capped from the DLC Website)

How many voters in Mass. support Mandates without a Public Option?
Nationwide it is LESS than 35%.
What did the Centrist/Moderate/Corporate/Republican Appeasing strategists THINK would happen?


"When given the choice between a Republican, and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, the voters will choose the Republican every time."--Harry Truman

Mandates without a Public Option IS a Republican Health Care Plan.

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But it is all the Liberals fault !!!!:cry:

[ima_sinnic]

65. bvar22, you always knock it out of the park

I wish I could rec this post a million times

:yourock:

[bardgal]

69. you forgot these: (oh that's right - these might be good things - my bad)

- Instituted enforcement for equal pay for women

- Beginning the withdrawal of US troops from Iraq

- Families of fallen soldiers have expenses covered to be on hand when the body arrives at Dover AFB

- Ended media blackout on war casualties; reporting full information

- Ended media blackout on covering the return of fallen soldiers to Dover AFB; the media is now permitted to do so pending adherence to respectful rules and approval of fallen soldier's family

- Ended the previous stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date

- Phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren't even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan

- Removed restrictions on embryonic stem-cell research

- Federal support for stem-cell and new biomedical research

- New federal funding for science and research labs

- States are permitted to enact federal fuel efficiency standards above federal standards

- Increased infrastructure spending (roads, bridges, power plants) after years of neglect

- Funds for high-speed, broadband Internet access to K-12 schools

- New funds for school construction

- US Auto industry rescue plan

- Housing rescue plan

- $789 billion economic stimulus plan

- The public can meet with federal housing insurers to refinance (the new plan can be completed in one day) a mortgage if they are having trouble paying

- US financial and banking rescue plan

- Better body armor is now being provided to our troops

- The missile defense program is being cut by $1.4 billion in 2010

- Successful release of US captain held by Somali pirates; authorized the SEALS to do their job

- US Navy increasing patrols off Somali coast

- Attractive tax write-offs for those who buy hybrid automobiles

- Cash for clunkers program offers vouchers to trade in fuel inefficient, polluting old cars for new cars; stimulated auto sales

- Expanded the SCHIP program to cover health care for 4 million more children

- Signed national service legislation; expanded national youth service program

- Instituted a new policy on Cuba, allowing Cuban families to return home to visit loved ones

- Ended the previous policy of not regulating and labeling carbon dioxide emissions

- Expanding vaccination programs

- Immediate and efficient response to the floods in North Dakota and other natural disasters

- Closed offshore tax safe havens

- Negotiated deal with Swiss banks to permit US government to gain access to records of tax evaders and criminals

- Ended the previous policy of offering tax benefits to corporations who outsource American jobs; the new policy is to promote in-sourcing to bring jobs back

- Ended the previous practice of protecting credit card companies; in place of it are new consumer protections from credit card industry's predatory practices

- Energy producing plants must begin preparing to produce 15% of their energy from renewable sources

- Lower drug costs for seniors

- Ended the previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings

- Increasing pay and benefits for military personnel

- Improved housing for military personnel

- Initiating a new policy to promote federal hiring of military spouses

- Improved conditions at Walter Reed Military Hospital and other military hospitals

- Increasing student loans

- Increasing opportunities in AmeriCorps program

- Ended previous policy of awarding no-bid defense contracts

- Students struggling to make college loan payments can have their loans refinanced

- Improving benefits for veterans

- The FDA is now regulating tobacco

- Ended previous policy of cutting the FDA and circumventing FDA rules

- Ended previous practice of having White House aides rewrite scientific and environmental rules, regulations, and reports

- Authorized discussions with North Korea and private mission by Pres. Bill Clinton to secure the release of two Americans held in prisons

- Authorized discussions with Myanmar and mission by Sen. Jim Web to secure the release of an American held captive

- Making more loans available to small businesses

- Appointment of first Latina to the Supreme Court

- Authorized construction/opening of additional health centers to care for veterans

- Limited salaries of senior White House aides; cut to $100,000

- Deployed additional troops to Afghanistan

- Held first Seder in White House

[Clio the Leo]

52. Whoohooo! What Perky said!

:woohoo:

[frylock]

57. so what are you doing to ensure the dem gets elected in mass?

other than sitting on your fuggin ass and calling out liberals?

big KNU

[Rosa Luxemburg]

58. many of the so called liberals here are using RW talking points

[Name removed]

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[Hell Hath No Fury]

62. I am so sick of spineless, mealy-mouthed centrists I could spit --

It goes both ways , sweetheart. :*

[ima_sinnic]

64. +1 x 10^10

"blame liberals" when the "centrists" don't win.
if they're so "moderate" and "appeal to so many voters," why don't they win elections?

[David Zephyr]

68. You've really got to be kidding.

You will blame Democrats who are disillusioned by all the long string of broken promises all year long, the sell out to banks, to defense contractors, to insurance corps, to big pharma, to Wall Street?

"Lazy asses"?

Perky, here's a clue: people don't like being lied to, being toyed with, being manipulated and then being asked to fall for it again.

Let's hope that we don't lose this precious Senate seat because it will be for six long years if we do.

But blaming liberal activists for a loss that hasn't happened is silly.

[Perky]

82. If we kan't keep Teedy seat blue then what is the point in even having an agenda?

[NYC_SKP]

71. I'm gonna have to kick and rec this thread. n/t

[paulk]

72. why is it the liberal left that always has to learn a lesson?

why are they always blamed?

maybe it's time the DNC learned a lesson - piss off a wing of your party enough and they stay at home.

[burning rain]

73. Treat people in a way that shows you despise them, & order them to vote as you tell them.

Somehow I doubt that's a winning formula.

[WeDidIt]

75. Then the assholes complain when the Democrats seek votes by moving further right

since all the assholes did was prove the left cannot be counted on to turn out.

[ima_sinnic]

77. then the assholes complain when the left doesn't vote for right-leaning candidates

who exactly can be "counted on"?
court those voters if you're so "sure of yourself"--liberals vote for liberals, not for fake "democrats" who sell out to the highest corporate bidder.

[WeDidIt]

83. Hence, the left is unreliable

and the Dmeocrats will move further to the right.

There's no other choice.

And liberal philosophy becomes more and more marginalized by the very actions of so-called liberals.

Welcome to what petulant childishness has wrought, brought to you by the likes of Ralph Nader.

[ima_sinnic]

92. so the Democrats will lose, because "the right" votes republican

liberals are very reliable--they vote for liberals, not corporate suck-asses and the oxymoronic "right-leaning democrat," centrists who say one thing to win votes and then do another after elected.
It's the fucking shitty forked-tongue candidates who are "unreliable"--except for being reliably bone-headed and neglectful of We The People while they hob-nob with the Haves and Have-Mores.

[WeDidIt]

93. The right always votes for Republicans.

The left abandons the Democrats enough that they cannot be counted on.

c.f. the 2000 Presidential election.

You cannot advance any agenda if you are in the minority.

[ima_sinnic]

95. no, the "democrats" abandon the voters

you'd think 2008 never happened.
you cite a coup d'etat to prove--what?

so keep despising "the left"--you just symbolize what the Democratic Party has become--not what it used to be, but a catch-all for disgruntled republicans who were squeezed out by teabaggers and don't have anyplace to go, so they're going to try to make the Democrats into their beloved conservative asshole party.

[WeDidIt]

97. Wrong again

IF the left doens't show up, the party determines the left abandoned them and the strategists move to where voters who show up more reliably reside.

That moves the party to the right.

Happens every time self righteous liberals decide they'll "teach the Dems a lesson".

It's a self perpetuating cycle, and self righteous liberals are to blame for the lack of movement on their agenda.

[ima_sinnic]

100. so asshole fake "democrats" just blame the voters for not voting for them--

wow, that's a real winning formula.
it couldn't possibly be the shitty fake democrats' fault.

[WeDidIt]

102. No, asshole dumbass self righteous liberals shoot themselves in the foot

and blame everybody else but themselves.

[ima_sinnic]

103. aw, you really do know how to win votes, don't you?

keep talking, rahm, tell us some more what you think of the voters.

[WeDidIt]

106. Fuck, you definitely would e a part of a demographic

I would have written off long before starting a campaign.

Self righteous people who demand 100% of everything they want in one year after their candidate wins are unreliable at ebst, and thus can safely be written off as not a demographic to play to.

[ima_sinnic]

109. yes, write me off, because I don't DO wishy-washy, promise one thing, do another candidates

[Moochy]

110. your posts are cartoonish

[ima_sinnic]

113. lol!

yikes :scared:

[Name removed]

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[kiva]

104. Guess those "goodbye cruel world" posts are shrinking...

a week?

[GeorgeGist]

76. There was a poll recently claiming that most Americans favor principle over pragmatism.

And another poll claiming that most Americans were willing too sacrifice their principles for security.

[Sebastian Doyle]

81. How about being fed up with electro fraud "voting" machines?

I'd bet that's how this weak DLC'er "won" the primary in the first place.

http://www.gouverneurtimes.com/st-lawrence-news/54-worldnational-news/10625-easily-hacked-voting-systems-to-be-used-in-ma-special-election-for-the-us-senate.html

[Honeycombe8]

85. Blue state? Isn't that the state that has voted in Repub governors recently?

Romney comes to mind.

[HughMoran]

87. So what are you saying - its the bluest state in the union

Sounds like Dems are tearing each other up in the majority when they ought to be worried that the Republican agenda is not going to be pretty.

[Honeycombe8]

96. I'm saying the media is pushing that MA is bluer than it actually is. Teddy was senator

for so many years not because he was a Democrat, but because he was...well, he was Teddy Kennedy.

MA is blue. But it ain't THAT blue, if it elects Repub governors occasionally.....for two terms at a stretch.

[Moochy]

89. "Have a Blessed Day"

Even you fucking liberals! (spit)

[Arkana]

90. What you said.

Bill Clinton hit hard on voter apathy in Worcester tonight. "If you don't vote, then your voice doesn't matter. You get exactly the result you wanted to avoid."

[Politicub]

91. I'm as liberal as they come, but sometimes I think rarified air liberals are

some of the most shortsighted or selfish people on earth.

It's far easier to sit out of elections if you're upper-middle class to rich, and heterosexual.

[Ildem09]

108. Im gay, middle class and unemployed

and i'm thinking about sitting out. who needs republicans when you have democrats like this

[ima_sinnic]

111. I think the Democratic Party has been hijacked by displaced repukes

that's the only explanation for these weird "pragmatic liberals" who are so conservative and nasty, ordering people around and blaming "liberals" for not falling for their bullshit.

[Ildem09]

112. esp on me being an equal citizen and such

oooh you silly little gays just wait abit we'll get to you.. umm since when did equality wait?

[ima_sinnic]

114. yes, another "demographic" whose votes don't matter, I guess (nt)

[Ildem09]

115. they always ask us for the money though

no more gAyTM

[Politicub]

118. That makes no sense whatsoever

But whatever works for you I guess.

[Ildem09]

119. sure it does

why give money to a party that is doing shit for us? they've screwed the pooch in Maine, on DODT, marriage equality etc. i'm not saying i expect us to win all these battles but damn a little support would have been nice. and thats just stuff within the community

[David Zephyr]

127. Instead of embracing you, the current Democratic Party seems intent to push you away.

Hi Ildem09.

What is truly amazing is watching the fuckfest among Obamaites as they they blow smoke up their collective asses into thinking that leftists are their enemies instead of the corporatists that have taken full sway over this White House and much of our Congress.

They foolishly believe that by driving away the base of the party, they will avoid the iceberg that awaits them.

Millions upon millions of Democrats, die-hard Democrats, have closed their wallets and purses, and will be "sitting out" until the promises their candidates made are honored.

You, are actually the majority.

[Bluenorthwest]

99. Is this how you campaign in MA?

Well that explains much. But all this finger pointy dividing angst is just so much wanking. Tell me something that will really matter in terms of turn out. The really important stuff.
What's the weather forecast?

[Ildem09]

101. Hmmm

Yeah. Blame us.. the progressives. who went out and worked our asses off in 2006.. give us a democratic congress they said and stuff will change... ok DONE... well we still have a Republican President. bust your ass in 08' ok DONE... welll we really need 60 in the senate because of the filibusterer ok DONE..... wellll the President dosnt like to take a heads on approach so all those things we promised progressives are going to have to go on hold.. Oh and were going to blame you for it too. Get under the Bus Gays',Deaniacs', single payer people, civil liberty folks, peacnicks, just wait until the 2nd term.....

YOU DONE PISSED OFF THE ONES THAT BRUNG YA. you think this is bad wait until we sit out 2010 and 2012 and bring holy hell down on everyone. Progressives tipped the balance, the politicos forgot that. well were going to forget them.

[Name removed]

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[niceypoo]

121. Wow, now liberals are the bad guys of the Democratic party!

My, how far we have fallen.

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[dcsmart]

116. Democrats vote for and campaign for Democrats, end of story.

[niceypoo]

125. And work hard to replace right wing Democrats with progressive Democrats

...in local primaries.

[Perky]

134. So you think a liberal has a greater chance in the Nebrasja Senate Race than Ben Nelson

Look I would have someone I could trust in that seat as well.. but Nebraska is a pretty red state and the Senator has to be somewhat reflective of the view of his constituency. A true progressive can't get elected in Nebraska.

I would rather have Ben Nelson 50% of the time then a republica voting with us 0% of the time. It ain't a happy thing but it its what it is.

[niceypoo]

135. Idiots like Ben Nelson wreck things like, oh, healthcare

I believe anything is possible

[MadHound]

122. Don't like liberals sitting out the vote then give liberals something to vote for.

And that wouldn't include bringing in a new Senator whose fundraising among the Big Pharma, Big Insurance at this point and time.

I mean really now, I wouldn't vote for Coakley either, just because of her sheer stupidity of that act alone. Might as well have I HEART CORPORATIONS tattooed on her ass. Sorry, but that sort of, well let's say tone deafness, is not the sort of thing that wins votes and influences liberals:shrug:

Blame whoever you want, but if Coakley loses this one the only person she has to blame is herself and her own stupidity.

Again, you want liberals to vote Democratic, give them something to vote for, not just another corporate candidate.

[David Zephyr]

128. +1

Well said.

[Raine]

131. +2 nt

[shadesofgray]

139. +3

[last1standing]

132. Poor baby. Are we frightening you?

To fucking bad. We're sick of you republicrats have screwed over this party and insulted us for years. Enjoy your minority.

[IndianaGreen]

136. Liberals were the ones forced into compromise. How many times did the DLC compromise?

It is people that enable the DLC's Reaganesque ideology that are the "uber-righteous."

[kristopher]

138. I'd refer you back to the DLC and the Lieberman - Lamont race.

I think that has resonated with people for a long time (08 pres campaign and HRC were both victims of what they did).

There was a choice for the party elite as Lamont could have won easily if the big names had supported him. Instead they either campaigned for Lieberman or sat out the race.

When rank and file get fed up with kind of crap and decide *they* are going to stay home, who can blame them?