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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-15-10 05:35 PM Original message |
Krugman: More on Jon Gruber |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-15-10 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. The entire Greenwald piece should be read ... |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-15-10 08:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Large UNDISCLOSED payments? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-15-10 08:28 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. From Greenwald's trainwreck post |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-15-10 09:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Yeah, but Sunstein is still an idiot. I don't know about you, but I can |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-15-10 09:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Regardless, that has nothing to do with Greenwald's distortion. n/t |
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Capers (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
25. It's your distortion. You should have read it before posting about it. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
43. It's garbage. n/t |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 01:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Sunstein's piece is about "combatting extremism" in the form of conspiracy theorists. And...? |
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Capers (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
20. Your entire post is a misrepresentation of facts. |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-15-10 09:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
8. Please post where it was disclosed on the WH site that there was ... |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 12:44 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. As Greenwald is a flaming fucktard.... |
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Capers (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:16 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. Gruber signed a contract saying he was not being paid by the government. |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 04:51 PM Response to Reply #21 |
47. Prove it... |
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Capers (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 03:15 PM Response to Reply #47 |
57. He's admitted to it. The Times has covered it. It's not a secret. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:52 PM Response to Reply #10 |
35. And DeParle is a flaming fucking liar |
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Capers (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:09 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. Undisclosed to the point of fraud. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:50 PM Response to Reply #18 |
34. BS. n/t |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 04:53 PM Response to Reply #18 |
48. He did nothing of the sort.... |
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Capers (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 03:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. What I'm saying is that he lied when he signed his disclosure contract |
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beachmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-15-10 08:59 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. I read the entire piece (I often read Glenn) and here is the deal: |
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Capers (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
22. False thesis. Sustein did not write about Muslim extremism and 9/11. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-15-10 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
3. Fuck that whiny glen greenwald and Liar dog lake. |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 12:47 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Yes.... |
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tishaLA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jan-15-10 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
9. I really admire Greenwald |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 04:25 AM Response to Original message |
12. KnR for Krugman, whom I trust. nt |
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Capers (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:29 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. You shouldn't trust a guy who likens politics to epidemiology. |
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Hekate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 11:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
53. LOL. Krugman's a twitchy guy, but very, very bright. |
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Irish_shark (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
14. Greenwald responds to Krugman's response |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 02:04 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. That's Greenwald's defense for his trainwreck post? |
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Irish_shark (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 02:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Not just that. Greenwald notes that Armstrong contract didn't specifically ask for a partiular view |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Greenwald is suddenly an apologist for Armstrong Williams, payola and propaganda. |
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Capers (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:33 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. No, you are. |
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Irish_shark (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. Wrong. Greenwald criticized Armstrong |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:48 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. BS. Greenwald originally tried to frame Gruber and Armstrong as being the same and |
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Irish_shark (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:53 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Can you point to the part where he allegedly backtracked? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 04:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Train |
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Irish_shark (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 04:13 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Huh? Where's the backtracking? |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 04:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Are you kidding? |
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Irish_shark (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 04:26 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Greenwald criticizes a common problem in both cases |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 04:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Do you even understand what your're reading or are you pretending to be confused |
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Irish_shark (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 04:42 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. But he explains that Armstrong held those views before they hired him |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 04:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. That makes no sense. n/t |
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Irish_shark (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 04:44 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. You pretend it makes no sense nt |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. Didn't Krugman himself acknowledge that Gruber should have disclosed it? |
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freddie mertz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 04:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. Gruber should have disclosed. End of story. |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
17. Greenwald is a good progressive, but he stepped in it this time. |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:11 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. Krugman has made it into the Big Club - where intellect can mask greed and arrogance. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:47 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. Krugman has always been willing to sell whatever the people he's working for want him to. |
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Capers (115 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. Like Krugman, you seem to be likening science to politics. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. So there's no problem with Gruber's contract being disclosed from now on, is there? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
28. So there's no problem with disclosing Gruber's contract from now on, is there Dr. Krugman? |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 05:03 PM Response to Reply #28 |
49. You're getting warm.... |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 05:19 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. The Armstrong Williams comparison was about lack of disclosure, not the nature of the contracts |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 05:32 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. You're getting colder... |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-16-10 09:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. And you're getting increasingly condescending and patronizing, yet haven't made your case |
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Jeff In Milwaukee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. It's because I'm getting increasingly annoyed.... |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-17-10 12:52 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. Damn, dude, try some yoga breathing. |
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