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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 06:54 PM
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American Politics Is Stuck In An Abusive, Destructive Cycle
A. Dems get power.

B. Dems govern like liberal to moderate Republicans, and the Dem base loses interest and becomes demoralized at the lack of real change.

C. Repubs campaign against Dems, labeling them socialists, communists, baby-killers, and every other rotten word in the dictionary. Republican base become energized and vote Dems out.

D. Repubs re-take power and scare the crap out of the Dem base of support with people like Gingrich, Bush II, Cheney, Rumsfeld, McCain, Palin, etc.

E.Dem base, seeing the scary folks on the right, energize themselves and work hard to get the Dems back into power.

F. Cycle repeats from Step A.


Meanwhile, all of the quality of life measures, employment, wages, health care, education, etc., get worse and worse for the American people. Nothing ever gets done unless it's helping the wealthy through tax cuts or giving more power to the powerful through deregulation and trade expansion.

I think that it's going to take a revolution of some kind to break through the abuse cycle. A new, more aggressive, more assertive, more articulate, more unapologetic generation of Democratic leaders have to emerge and take control of the Democratic party away from the current establishment, who seem to care more about Joe Lieberman and Olympia Snowe than actually doing something tangible for the American people.


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msongs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 06:59 PM
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1. maybe blow wall street and kiss up to repubs is not so effective after all nt
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DebbieCDC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 07:00 PM
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2. Good point
Here's an excellent essay on the abuse issue:

Are Americans a Broken People? Why We've Stopped Fighting Back Against the Forces of Oppression


By Bruce E. Levine, AlterNet
December 13, 2009
www.alternet.org/story/144529/


Can people become so broken that truths of how they are being screwed do not "set them free" but instead further demoralize them? Has such a demoralization happened in the United States?

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Go2Peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 04:30 PM
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24. Our society, not just politics, has become socially unbalanced
We need to wake up to the truth as playing with politics will not be enough, the very foundations of our culture are diseased and need repair and rethinking.
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 07:04 PM
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3. because the politicians basically forget what their real job is.
They seem to lose the plot once they are elected, for the most part.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 07:10 PM
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5. They forget who their real bosses are. nt
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 07:16 PM
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8. I regret having to disagree--they know EXACTLY who their real bosses are
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 07:39 PM
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11. Ooooh -- you're right. nt
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abq e streeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 08:14 PM
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15. And I wish, as I'm sure you do too, that you were right. WE SHOULD be their bosses
and we used to be....I don't think I'll ever fully understand how we let them get away from us to the point where I don't know if we'll ever be able to reclaim them as answerable to WE THE PEOPLE.
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 12:16 AM
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21. It's been going on for a long time, but they weren't as blatant about it. They
let us believe we still had a say -- they don't even do that much any more. I read a book on the Federal Reserve and realized we've been manipulated ever since (if not even before). But I do become hopeful -- like when we elected Obama. I never thought I'd see that happen in my lifetime. Must have given me a false sense of power. :7


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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 07:09 PM
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4. That's the way it is now, sadly. nt
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 07:10 PM
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6. absolutely spot on! knr.
Glad to be #5 rec!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 07:12 PM
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7. And all the while America- and more and more Americans move inexorably into third world status
Edited on Fri Jan-15-10 07:13 PM by depakid
My hope (as opposed to my expectation) was that the most recent crash would have been enough to shake some sense into the Democrats, who riding a tide of populist anger and resentment- would enact major reforms that would demonstrably improve people's live and relegate Republicans and their failed ideology back to the fringe for a generation (or generations).

Unfortunately (or tragically as history would have it) we chose the wrong type of man for that job.
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 07:18 PM
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10. It's Not Just About Obama. It's The ENTIRE Party
Don't make the mistake in believing that changing the presidency alone is going to change ANYTHING. The congressional Dems still will have to the power to stop any meaningful reform or change no matter who is president. They're more to blame than Obama.

If the Dems in congress were more progressive as a whole, we'd have single payer. We'd have a major jobs bill. We'd have a green energy new deal in technology.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 07:55 PM
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12. Starts at the top
Edited on Fri Jan-15-10 08:43 PM by depakid
Ironically, the job ended up requiring a steadfast advocate who was willing to make (or even seek out) enemies in order to harness the populist anger and resentment that drives public policy in America.

Like or no, it's not in Obama's constitution (or history) to knock heads, or decry and demonize- much less hold to account and prosecute appalling institutions or their abusive behavior in order to rally public sentiment- even in the worst of times.

Instead, he's a conciliator- a consensus builder who no one's afraid to cross (as there quite flagrantly haven't been consequences for doing so). Instead, to get a half measure (or even poor policy and steps backward that can be declared "victories) he's willing to appease the worst elements of the party and the nation.

A recent article in Alternet describes how in this respect, he's similar to Gaithner (and implies that maybe that's why Gaithner has his position).

Here's an excerpt:

Anyway getting back to Obama-Geithner -- in the early 1990s, a decade after Geithner protected D'Souza from a mob of angry students, Barack Obama found himself in a similar situation at Harvard law school. Obama had been named the first black editor of the Harvard Law Review, meaning he had to take a stand on one of the biggest issues dividing the law school's students: affirmative action.

Keep in mind that, without affirmative action, it's unlikely that Barack Obama would have been where he was, at Harvard Law, the first African-American editor of the esteemed school's legal magazine. Not because Obama wasn't qualified, but because affirmative action made it harder for the entrenched white elite to keep all the slots to themselves.

So how did Obama handle the battle between rightwing anti-affirmative action students and liberals? Just like Geithner would have. According to a profile a couple of years ago in the Boston Globe:



Classmates recall an especially emotional debate in the spring of 1990 over affirmative action, which conservative students wanted to abolish.

Presiding over an assembly of 60 mostly white editors in a law school classroom, Obama listened to impassioned pleas and pressed conservatives to explain their reasoning and liberals to sharpen their thinking. But he never spoke about his own point of view or mentioned that he believed he had benefited from affirmative action. "If anybody had walked by, they would have assumed he was a professor," said Thomas J. Perrelli, a classmate and former counsel to Attorney General Janet Reno. "He was leading the discussion but he wasn't trying to impose his own perspective on it. He was much more mediating."

Obama was so evenhanded and solicitous in his interactions that fellow students would do impressions of his Socratic chin-stroking approach to everything, even seeking a consensus on popcorn preferences at the movies. "Do you want salt on your popcorn?" one classmate, Nancy L. McCullough, recalled, mimicking his sensitive bass voice. "Do you even want popcorn?"


So you can start to see why Obama's press spokesman, Robert Gibbs, told reporters that the President has "full confidence" in Geithner. They're peas in a pod. In more ways than just their temperament.

To most of us, this sort of one-note obsession with conciliation and even-temperedness seems ill-suited to the times and circumstances. This country doesn't need the status quo maintained, it needs a complete change of the way this country is run, and the type of people running it.

But if you were one of the plutocrats, you'd have a different view of things. You'd want to preserve what you'd plundered, and hire some human buffers to get between you and the 300 million Americans you'd ripped off. And as the record shows, you couldn't choose two more perfect, reliable buffers than Tim Geithner and Barack Obama. Geithner, we know, was hired and promoted at the NY Fed and then at Treasury to do precisely that -- make sure that the heist went off smoothly and to keep the mobs away from the plutocrats....


More: http://www.alternet.org/politics/145181/do_obama_and_geithner_have_the_same_flaw%3A_accommodation_instead_of_moral_action?page=entire
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 07:16 PM
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9. It's no accident.. it is a deliberate plan... as sure as any...
Right vs left.. keep everyone fighting and the attention off Wall Street and the Federal Reserve.

Whenever the unwashed masses get close to seeing the truth... stage a 911.. or an underwear bomber.. or a Terry Schiavo. Don't give them a chance to re-group or think.

Skim Trillions off the top... send all trade to China... meet with Big Oil Behind Closed doors... and hire paid professional shills to post on web sites to short circuit any consensus of opinion.

It's not right vs left.. it's UP vs DOWN. HAVE vs HAVE NOT.. but as long as the public is kept in a constant state of fear with swine flu, recession and job cuts.. no one will notice the IMMENSE transfer of wealth from the middle class to the elite.

Nothing is random.. nothing is by accident in this economy...

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NorthCarolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 08:05 PM
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13. Participate in the Primaries, support/vote for Liberal/Progressive candidates
and change will happen. Good change.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 08:12 PM
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14. It's called The Kabuki Dance.
or it should be.
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 08:47 PM
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16. K&R (n/t)
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 10:02 PM
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17. And it will go on and on and on......
because most people don't give a shit unless it directly affects them. Even if it does affect them directly they probably still wouldn't give a damn. That's just how it is in this country, we take 2 steps forward only to take 3 steps back.
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Doctor_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 10:06 PM
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19. Malloy tonight stopped just short of
calling for Limpballs to be killed. It is going to take that level of reaction to start to regain democracy.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-15-10 10:17 PM
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20. Maybe the base that becomes dislusioned doesn't know everything.
take an issue, ask someone who really understands that issue, you will likely be told that the consequences for taking an action the base may want to take would be significantly more destructive in the short or long term or both.

Corporations have so much power because they employ so many people and are the stewards of our pensions (I know, DU doesn't care about people who have savings or pensions, no matter how small). Let them fail and you crush the working poor and the middle class. But the purists insist we return to some Jeffersonian utopia where we'll all farmers and we have a revolution every 10 years. It might be more productive to try and live in reality.


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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 01:15 AM
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23. In A Representative Democracy, Private Corporations Should Never Have That Much Power Over Our Lives
If you're a citizen of France, Germany, Canada, the Scandinavian nations, Japan, or any other fully industrialized nation, you don't live your life in complete fear of falling ill or losing your job or not having enough money for retirement or educating your children. IOW, the citizens of these nations through their democracy control their own fate.


Sure, they have problems. They're not utopias, but Americans live on the brink of disaster every day because we allow major corporations to decide our fate. Our elected leaders see that corporations run our lives from health care to education to retirement.

The Dem base gets disillusioned because we know that there's a better way to live.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 12:41 AM
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22. An as this plays out, the Democratic party slides further and further to the right
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 04:34 PM
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25. Or Democrats constantly get stuck fixing Republicans' messes
Carter had to deal the crap left over by Nixon, and lost.

Clinton had to clean up the mess left by 12 years of Reagan/Bush, and then people got mad and voted Republicans into power in Congress and then, 6 years later, to the White House.

Now Obama's stuck cleaning up the enormous mess left by George W. Bush.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 04:37 PM
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26. The French did it. The Russians did it. Simon Bolivar did it.
Heck, even we did it before the French!
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 05:09 PM
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27. K&R.
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