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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:21 PM
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PPP POLL (MA Senate): Teasers for now. Too close to call. Final results tomorrow.
Edited on Sat Jan-16-10 10:22 PM by jefferson_dem
What we're seeing in Massachusetts: week 2

Here's what we saw on day 1 of our Massachusetts poll:

-The electorate is becoming more Democratic. Last weekend we found it at Obama +16 and now we see it at Obama +20. So all the efforts to get the party base more engaged in the election are paying off.

-Balancing that out to some extent though is that we're now seeing Brown win about 19% of the Obama vote, in comparison to 15% on our poll last week.

-Both candidates have seen a pretty large increase in their negatives over the last week, reflecting the increasingly nasty nature of the campaign.

-Even though the race is too close to call overall, 58% of voters think Brown has made a strong case for why he should be elected while only 41% say the same of Coakley. That speaks to voter perceptions that Brown has run the superior campaign and again you have to wonder how different things might be if Coakley had acted with a sense of urgency ever since the primary.

If today's interviews hold up through tomorrow I don't think we're going to be able to make a clear prediction of the winner in our final poll- still too close. Expect the final results tomorrow night between 10:30 and 11.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/01/what-were-seeing-in-massachusetts-week.html
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:24 PM
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1. Interesting. Obama is more popular in MA than ever but Coakley is struggling.
So her problem is probably more a reflection on her campaign than anything else.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:31 PM
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4. No doubt.
Let her shitty campaign be a lesson, however. Do not underestimate the teabagger phenomenon. Even good people can be swept up into their hateful nutbaggery.

That being said, I have faith Coakely will win. Hoping tomorrow's rally with Obama wakes the MA Dems up. I fully expect him to be "en fuego"! Urgency is word for the day!
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:41 PM
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7. Plus, special elections are notoriously low turnout.
Even the most dynamic challenger (which I consider Brown to Coakley) has to overcome a huge apathy barrier. Just because independent voters are telling pollsters they're going to vote for Brown doesn't mean they're going to arse themselves to get to the polls.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 09:50 AM
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39. isn't there also a third party teabagger running as well?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:28 PM
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2. Interesting...
at least there are dynamics in play that make the final outcome uncertain - sounds like the Dem push has reversed his surge - perhaps it will break our way by Tuesday - I sure hope so.
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jezebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:29 PM
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3. Please refresh my memory, what did PPP have as a result last week? TIA nt
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:32 PM
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5. Brown by a point. Looks like this is a tied race. It will be within the margin of error.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 11:03 PM
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13. Wouldn't that be something if it was so close that Coakley demanded a recount over and over
until healthcare was passed? Stall like they did in MN!
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:08 AM
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27. That is EXACTLY what I think will happen....
... regardless of who is declared the winner Tuesday night (unless she wins by a big margin and I dont expect her to.)
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 11:21 PM
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19. That's a better place than I feared it would be
this morning.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 11:45 PM
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23. From what they wrote here, it may still be about there or even slightly better
Assuming that Obama +20 is 60/40, the 19% of Obama's 60% would go to Brown, putting her at near 50. This assumes that she gets zero of the 40%. This is a 3 way race, so assuming that the third party candidate takes no more of the remaining portion of the 60, than he takes of the 40, she could be slightly ahead.

But, this really looks tied from the teasers.
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:34 PM
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6. Brown up 48/47.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:45 PM
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8. Unless a lot of people stay home on Tuesday, Coakley should win
Brown is a reactionary who is exploiting the legitimate grievances about the Senate's sell out to corporations in order to get elected. Brown would be more corporatist than the Blue Dogs that ditched the public option.

Martha Coakley is the better choice!
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:10 AM
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28. Sure is nice to see us all in agreement about this...
... (and I dont mean to pick on you, this is more of a general statement.)

lol, feels like old home week. :)
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:47 PM
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9. Poll "teasers?" What fresh hell is this?
I WANT THE NUMBERS NOW!

;)
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 11:13 PM
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16. Here are some Rasmussen numbers:
Republican: 10,000,000%
DEMOCRAT Party: -666%

:sarcasm:
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:56 PM
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10. Whose voting machines are they using?
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:57 PM
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11. It's a good thing if the base is more energized
That is the only way we will win this, if our base turns out.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 10:59 PM
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12. Hopefully, then, Obama's visit tomorrow will help enough to give Coakley the win. n/t
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 11:09 PM
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15. I don't see why not.
Apparently, he's very popular there and if he mobilizes the Dems that should be enough to put Coakley over the top.
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 11:09 PM
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14. Can Obama convince the inner city minorities to come out and
vote. They will make a great difference in our favor.
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iceman66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 11:18 PM
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17. How could anyone be both pro-Obama AND pro-Brown?
Unless they have absolutely no interest in, or understanding of, any of the major national issues.

If you're that clueless, why bother to vote at all?

I just don't get it.
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 11:20 PM
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18. One thing I do not like in these numbers
is that the pro-Obama electoral increased by 4% as did "Obama supporter for Brown" increase by the same number.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 11:33 PM
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21. meh
really either increase may not mean anything.

I'm more encouraged that it's still tied: no more Brown progress to speak of yet.
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Grand Taurean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 11:45 PM
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22. All I can say is GOTV!
I am looking forward to seeing the poll AND internals tomorrow.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:13 AM
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29. He's a likeable guy and they're moderate Republicans...
... or left leaning independents.

I'm going to behave and not point out this is one of those instances where him not governing from the far left help us. :)
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 02:47 AM
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33. Yes indeed, better keep those far-left types away from Massachusetts.
No hope for those wild-eyed crazies there. Massachusetts wants moderates like Ted Kennedy!
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:53 AM
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36. Which explains why the GOP is threatening to take the seat....
:shrug:
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:21 PM
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45. It just seemed to me you were suggesting looking for votes among moderate Republicans.
While any vote is welcome, I think looking for votes from GOP mods would be a less likely strategy. Obama's speech on Coakley's behalf at Northeastern today had a strong left-populist character, which I think better suits a Democrat running statewide in Massachusetts.
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 02:44 AM
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32. Doubtlessly some airheads in there who just go for the more charismatic candidate.
.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 11:19 AM
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42. Maybe they won't
Actually go and vote for him, that is. People that airheaded are easy to distract.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-16-10 11:23 PM
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20. There is nothing worse than a Teaser.
Everyone agrees.
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:12 AM
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24. One out of one Teasers apparently agrees.
That's enough for me. :shrug:
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:29 AM
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25. I wish people had been this interested during the primaries
Capuano would have been the superior candidate. The voter turnout was horrendously low:

The Boston Globe reports that as of 3 p.m. ET, only 35,000 people had voted in Boston, less than 10% of the city's registered voters.


People were complaining back then about what a lifeless personality Martha Coakley was (I'm not saying anything about her politics; just her campaign abilities). The big endorsement from Bill Clinton was not such a gift, maybe.

No use crying over spilt milk, however. Let's hope the turnout is high.




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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:15 AM
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30. Hopefully we have ALL learned our lesson....
.. before it's too late.

the voters, the powers that be in the party etc.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 02:56 AM
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34. Yeah Capuano would have been a FAR better choice
Hopefully he'll get his chance if Kerry retires. (I'm pulling for Secretary of State John Kerry after 2012 :) ).

Still, that's water under the bridge for now. We just need to hope that Coakley wins on Tuesday!
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grytpype Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 12:56 AM
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26. When you run a bad candidate with a weak campaign, you give the scum an opportunity.
One could think of examples besides Coakley.

But we can't have David Axelrod running every Dem campaign.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 01:16 AM
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31. Dont forget Plouffey.
One thing I'm noticing is that OFA seems to be a LOT more active in this campaign (as of last week) than they were last fall ... that was always a puzzle. Wish they could just put the Coakley team on the bench and handle the rest of the game.
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 02:58 AM
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35. Keep up the good work MA and others nt
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 07:56 AM
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37. Coakley's Internal Poll Shows Her Trailing by Two
Coakley's Internal Poll Shows Her Trailing

Steve Kornacki reports that Martha Coakley's (D) internal poll for Friday night showed Scott Brown (R) leading in the U.S. Senate race by two points, 47% to 45%. Her campaign's three-night average for Friday, Thursday and Wednesday is the same -- a 47% to 45% lead for Brown.

It's important to note that these numbers do not include any possible fallout from Coakley's gaffe calling Red Sox great Curt Schilling a Yankee fan.

Meanwhile, after one day in the field, Public Policy Polling says it's unlikely their final poll will be able to make a clear prediction of the winner because it's still too close. Results are expected late Sunday night.

http://politicalwire.com/
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 08:12 AM
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38. any internal poll released by the Coakley camp now
is purely intentional and for motivational purposes.

Which is not to say that it mightn't be right.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 11:15 AM
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41. We don't know if that's a real Coakley internal poll
And if it is, we don't know if it was released deliberately.

Kornacki claims it's a Coakley internal poll that was passed to him by an insider. We don't know the truth about it.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:22 PM
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43. if it is a real poll
it was almost certainly released deliberately.
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ShadowLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:03 AM
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40. This could be the first good news from polling companies to poll the state twice
As far as I know all the companies to poll the state recently since it got tight, and then poll it again, had Brown gaining significantly from their first poll using the exact same voter turnout models (such as jumping up 7 points in Rasmussen), so for PPP to even say Brown's still up by just a net of 1 point would probably be a somewhat hopeful sign for us, that Coakley's stopping the bleeding.
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BayAreaDem Donating Member (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 03:41 PM
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44. All the models are based on voter turnout
PPP finds are 60% obama voter vs 40 % McCain voter. ( 19% Obama voter going to Brown )

Last survey results were 56% obama voter vs 44 % ( 16% O voters turned out for Brown ) Brown lead Coakly 48-47

Its difficult to understand if McCain voters are for Coakly now, otherwise the race is balanced to 55/45 in favor of brown.

Remember Obama won the state 62/36

I guess the 10-12% Obama voters are switching sides vs projected by PPP (maybe error in pressing buttons in robo call, people tend to loose interest after entering for main question ), this looks more likely as per his approval in Dems 87% in latest ABC/Wapo/PEW poll)

in 60/40 voting pattern, I see Coakly winning by 54/46...



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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 10:29 PM
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46. Who the HELL in Obama's base is VOTING for that FUCK?!?!?!
Tell me who they are so I can string them up by their goddamn underpants on a flagpole!
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-17-10 11:05 PM
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47. Final Results:
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