Where are the WOMEN in the MA Senate race? They should be HEAVILY targeted, especially Hillary's

[RBInMaine]

female base. What no one seems to talking about in MA is where is that army of female Hillary voters?? Those female voters, especially the white working class women, should have been HEAVILY targeted from the get-go. Statistically they can be some of the most unreliable voters, so getting them engaged was CRITICAL. This is a chance for, I believe, the first woman Senator from MA. Where in heck is the enthusiasm for all of that dynamic here?? (I really, really hope GOTV will pull it out for Coakley, but if she does lose it, it is mainly due to a weak campaign. She should have been barnstorming from day one. Still, I have donated three times including one last time this morning, and I have called from home for her too.)

[FreakinDJ]

1. Were the "Hilary Gals" ever DEM faithful ?

as I predicted in 08, - not so much

[RBInMaine]

2. It is getting them to the polls. They can be one of the most unreliable voting blocks. But yes,

Hillary, nationally, did have a huge army of women in her camp, and she engaged working class gals better than any candidate in a long time given the gender dynamic. And women in general. We need to get the women out BIGTIME.

[FreakinDJ]

3. Did Hilary show up in Mass.

I heard Bill did but nothing about Hilary

[BlueMTexpat]

5. Hillary's pretty busy right now, I'd think, especially with the

major catastrophe in Haiti and various other happenings that may not be in our immediate consciousness.

For example, there's been an another attack in Kabul:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/18/taliban-militants-attack-kabul-centre

And here's a mini-crisis cooked up by FBI:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/

But yes, I think that those who were truly her supporters would be in Coakley's corner. If I were a MA voter, I certainly would be. That's a no-brainer.

[dsc]

8. Secretaries of state do not campaign, ever

she has no business whatsoever campaigning for any candidate at any time for any reason while she is sec of state.

[karynnj]

11. By law, Hillary cannot campaign for anyone because she is Secretary of State

[Cha]

29. Interesting..makes

sense..thanks karyn.

[rvablue]

13. Secretary Clinton is now the chief diplomat of the United States. She will not be weighing in on any

political issues. Save maybe when her boss runs for reeelction.

[Beacool]

17. Hillary is the Secretary of State

She is not supposed to get involved in politics. She won't even answer a political question in an interview.

Geez......

:eyes:

[Clintonista2]

25. I'm embarassed on your behalf

[saracat]

51. Women historically were one of the most reliable voting blocks

but after HCR and Stupack they aren't as enthusiastic. However, it won't be women who are to blame should Coakley not win, and that kind of finger pointing is outright nasty.Nice way to antagonize an already marginalized branch of the base.

[Beacool]

16. Bullshit!!!

x(

[FreakinDJ]

48. After the HilBots spouting "Karen Hughes is my Hero"

It is a very legitimate question

I guess we'll see tomorrow

[Beacool]

54. Who's Karen Hughes? n/t

[FreakinDJ]

55. Good One - doesn't make it any less True

[Beacool]

58. I wasn't being facetious.

I really don't know who she is.

[noamnety]

4. Yes, why don't the women appear to save the day for dems

after the dems been sitting there collectively bargaining away women's rights?

Imagine that. (Must be hillary's fault, right? apparently she personally wrote that health insurance bill.)

Next up: WTF is wrong with the gays, why aren't they out there voting for the dems in droves right now, where is their enthusiasm?

:sarcasm:

[DURHAM D]

10. + l million

[noamnety]

12. Can't tell you how much it pisses me off

to see a MAN who has been very vocal on DU about endorsing restrictions on women's health care sitting around putting the blame on WOMEN for not supporting the party. Women, doncha know, are all irresponsible and that's why they should bear the sole burden of paying for abortions - the slut tax. (But we'll cover their labor expenses cause good birthers aren't irresponsible sluts, I guess.)

Blaming women for not having enthusiasm for the pigs who wrote that policy is bad enough. Attributing their motives to being a Hillary supporter is the misogynistic icing on that cake.

[kiva]

15. +1 billion n/t

[DURHAM D]

19. I'm thinking the OP is typing with one hand.

He needs the other one to hold his you know what. Lots of fear in the party about the voters with scary lady parts. You know, the ones that as a group have always voted 56-58% for the Democrat.

I sense some panic on the part of Dems that they may have taken us (and GLBTs) for granted one election cycle too many.

[BeyondGeography]

21. Oh ho ho holding his you know what....so original!

:dunce:

[OHdem10]

6. There is always a tendency to overlook the "Blue Collar Vote."

so Brown has gone after it. Probably why he is doing well.

[FreakinDJ]

9. And that is what the DEMs have dropped the ball on - BIG TIME

Used to be the Democratic Party was the Champions of the Working Class.

It was only too easy to demonstrate through the "Simplest of Logic" to even the stuanchist Fundie Voter how they were voting against their own economic self interest by voting RATpubliCON. However they would do it anyway based on what ever "Emotional Issues" the GOP could frame the debate on.

Now the RATpubliCONs have succesfully "Framed the Issues" as the "GOP against the Democrat Spending Machine" in light of the MASSIVE deficits and FAILED economic policy of the last administration.

Sorry - but I blame the DEMs for not distancing theirselves from their corporate handlers. Make no mistake, the RATpubliCONs will be Pure Disaster should they regain control. But the Dems failed the test when it came time to stand up to Wall St. and fight for the Working Class.

[abluelady]

7. My Guess is the BASE will be Hillary voters

Remember, the young and the minorities don't have a great voting record. Obama was amazing and got those people out. My fear is we're back to where we were pre-Obama.

[rvablue]

14. LOL that "women" voters are less reliable voters. n/t

[PatGund]

18. Well, there is a group of supposed "Hillary Girls" doing GOTV.......

The problem is that they're PUMAs (HillBuzz, TexasDarlin, etc.) all doing Get Out The Vote for Brown.

They see it as punishing Ted Kennedy for endorsing Obama instead of Hillary Clinton. And so they show their "support" for everything Hillary Clinton stands for by pushing for Brown's election rather than Coakley.

Let's hope the PUMAs in their litterboxes fail in this as well.

[Lord Helmet]

24. ding ding ding

LINK

[Cha]

30. Poor confused egomaniacs.

[TheBigotBasher]

38. The PUMAs have been quite funny during this election.

Darragh is trying hard to not break with her women first policy, although she is getting significant resistance from the Republican trolls she recruited as an "enemy of my enemy". The Scott Brown http://pumapac.org/2010/01/18/brown-will-definitely-get-the-stick-a-curling-iron-up-her-butt-vote">"tick a curling iron up her but"|was the real breaking point for Darra$h.

Riverchucky is having a mental breakdown

and the PalinBuzz boys (Limbaugh's Chicago babes) (they really need to use their correct name) are threatening domestic terrorism] and armed assault against the Government.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x7485474

As for TexasDarlin, "retired" after the election nd suddenly reappearing. I do not think there is a TexasDarlin. I think she is some GOP/No Quarter creation.

[seaglass]

20. Why would you assume there is a sizeable demographic of women in MA who vote based on gender? I've

lived here most of my life and have never heard of such a thing.

[timeforpeace]

22. Yes, where are those Hillary supporters now that we need them? Oops.

[Name removed]

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[Beacool]

49. I guess 17M people who voted for her in the primaries were all Republicans.

Yeah, because Obama would have won without her supporters.

:eyes:

[Lord Helmet]

50. no -- just those participating in Operation Chaos

Most Clinton primary voters have moved on in support of Pres Obama and the Democratic Party, and the bitterness of some has distilled into a demi-glace of crazy rooting for the opposition.

[Tailormyst]

23. I'm here and Martha has my vote

But I will be honest: I plan to work against her in the 2012 primary. My vote is more a vote against Brown then for her.

[girl_interrupted]

26. RBInMaine Who you gonna blame next? Blacks & Gays?

Instead of attacking women, what you should be asking is where the democratic base is, which is made up of men & women of all different races & sexual persuasions. And if the base isn't there, you better start asking why not. Coakley is in line with Obama on many issues, especially health care, so what's the problem? Thats what you should be asking.

Coakley is polling well with democratic women, but I fail to see how you don't know all women aren't democrats. Seems

awfully lame, considering what we just went through in the 2008 election. Women democrats declaring they wouldn't vote

based on gender. And woman who are republicans voting for their candidate. Women have minds of their own & are of all

different political philosphies.


I think what's happening in Mass is unfortunate & I hope Coakley wins, because Brown is a total dick...but for some reason

he is polling very well with independents. And what you should be asking, is.... why?


Perhaps, the democratic party has taken their voters for granted...lets be frank, when it came to health care, they were ready

to throw women under the bus. They were ready to throw unions, of which both men and women are members, under the

bus too. As for gays...same thing. And what about blacks? They turned out for Obama, why not now for his party? Rahm

said 'Don't worry about the left". You can't shit on people and then expect them to show up for you. Because after awhile

what one party offers you starts being no different from the other.



The best thing that can happen here is, that Coakley wins & the Democratic party got to sweat over an election instead of

taking their voters for granted. A wake up call for the future. It sure was enough to send Obama to Mass & that's a good

thing. The Party is having to listen & reach out to its base, instead of just expecting them to follow. If Coakley loses, the

chances are the Senate version of the HCR bill will be adopted instead of the House Version. That would be even worse.

And keep in mind, the Democrats were in the drivers seat and could have pushed through a better bill, even faster. But they

chose to go this route, so if you're looking for people to blame...you better start at the top.



As for Hillary...An SoS doesnot campaign for candidates. And being in Haiti is where she should have been, thats within her

job description. The UN lost over 200 people who were on their staff. She is now doing what she is suppose to do.


I'm really surprised this thread wasn't locked. It is unbelievably offensive to women.

[RBInMaine]

39. Chill out. I'm not "blaming" anyone. I have simply not seen the kind of female voting block rally-

ing I thought I might in a race that could put the first woman in that seat. So don't be so sensitive. Targeting this demographic group as a voting block makes very good sense. No one is "blaming" anyone. Can you not read anything objectively?

[Lilith Velkor]

53. You want people in this forum to target working class white women with that approach?

Oy gevault. That's nuttier than squirrel shit.

[Zenlitened]

27. Epic FLAIL.

On second thought, not all that epic. Clumsy lies, misused cliches, and unbelievable claims.

And... it sets up the inevitable "PUMAs!!!1" nonsense downthread.

:rofl:

Folks, you gotta drop that crutch!

PUMAs are largely extinct in the political ecosystem, in part because they never existed in meaningful numbers to begin with.

[Lord Helmet]

32. keep telling yourself that despite evidence to the contrary ....

here

here

here

and here

[Zenlitened]

33. Some of those are shadows you've mistaken for "PUMAs."

Some are stuffed PUMAs mounted in museum display cases.

Seriously, let the PUMA thing go. It only leads to unwarranted suspicion of, and animosity toward, women in the Democratic Party.

[Lord Helmet]

34. "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist." ...

[Zenlitened]

37. "Without Contraries is no progression...."

"Without Contraries is no progression. Attraction and Repulsion, Reason and Energy, Love and Hate, are necessary to Human existence."

[Cha]

28. Well, I thought about it! Martha should

be getting tons of female voters bc I hear she's really been good at her job and would make a great Senator..even if the campaigning hasn't gone as well as they would have liked.

Good point, RBMaine.

[RBInMaine]

46. Thanks very much for reading my post objectively. I just hadn't seen the kind of huge female voting

block "rallying" I thought I might and was wondering to what extent this voting block was being targeted with the message of this being a chance to put the first woman into that seat. That is all. Thanks again.

[suzie]

56. I read your post the same way and wondered what the uproar was about.

Women are usually better at turning out in off-year and special elections.

Glad to see that they are being targeted. And it's understandable that the media isn't covering that at all.

I don't think there's much excitement to the media in covering female candidates.

[FrenchieCat]

31. You notice that all of the sudden, Being a female is not something

that the media considers an advantage, like they did during the primaries, and even for Palin
during the general election!

[Zenlitened]

36. FYI, in the 2006 race for Attorney General...

... gender was almost a complete non-issue, too, in a surprisingly refreshing way. Her resume seemed to speak for itself. A nice change of pace, IMO, because I can't recall the media ever regarding being female an advantage overall.

[cadmium]

42. Mass women are involved for Martha -- MEDIA is not

covering it. Same old story -- they are in the tank for Brown and for an upset. We have seen this before when media wants a candidate to fail they dont cover anything they cant spin negatively.

[boston bean]

44. that is the one thing that keeps me hopeful. remember menino's recent election

you would have thought it was gonna be a tight race the way media played it up. and they were quoting some polls that had it real close. but menino won handily.

but then again, the polls are really bothering me and i think there is something to them.

I do hope she pulls this out, because she does not deserve this to be on her shoulders. the blame already being foisted upon her to make excuses for a failed democratic party makes me ill.

[cadmium]

41. Exactly. Media is in tank for Brown here nt

[Cha]

47. The media are craven

whores for lockstep teabaggers.

[saracat]

52. Being female has never been an advantage. That is a story some like to tell. It is no more an

advantage than being gay or a racial minority. And all females aren't equal.I would vote for Coakley if this were my state only because she is a Democrat who is pro choice but I would never vote for her or anyone else just because of gender. I would never vote for Palin. I didn't originally support Hillary.But I would NEVER vote for anyone no matter what party or gender if they did not support women's rights, including the right to choice.

[boston bean]

40. Do you want the real answer to this question??

Because Martha excited the female base with her stance against the stupak amendment, then swallowed whole the nelson amendment after she won the primary.

The DSCC couldn't have a dem candidate against HCR over lowly womens issues, so she toed the line.

All excitement for the campaign from the women dwindled, we are sick and tired of being taken advantage of too.

But I will still vote for her, but I aint all that excited about it.

[cadmium]

43. Real answer is the media is not covering

the women who are working tirelessly for Martha. Media is in the tank like they were when Mitt Romney ran against Shannon O'Brien

[boston bean]

45. yeah, and that didn't work out to well for shannon, did it. see my reply above.

I am not in disagreement with you, but there would have been much more enthusiasm for her had she held her ground, and if she were allowed to run her race on what she really felt. it started all going down hill from there. she had stitched herself in.

[cadmium]

57. true- she is new to this kind of campaign fingers crossed nt