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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 01:45 PM
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What does high turnout mean in MA election?
It appears that turnout is high for the MA Senate election. Conventional wisdom is that this is fantastic for Democrats however some reporters are implying that this helps Brown???? If the turnout is high in Boston, and elsewhere, doesn't this help Coakley?

Massachusetts insights. Please??

While I'm asking questions, what should we look for tonight? I assume rural precincts report first and Boston precincts tend to report last. So, tonight we should expect early leads for Brown and then Coakley surging ahead to win when the last precincts report. MA please offer insights.

Thank you.
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SteppingRazor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 01:46 PM
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1. In short, yes, high turnout is good for Coakley.
Democrats outnumber GOP three-to-one in Mass, so part of Brown's game plan always relied on typical off-year voter turnout.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 01:47 PM
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2. Thank you!!
That's what I was hoping to learn.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 01:50 PM
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6. well, except independents outnumber dems and they're supposedly breaking
2 to 1 for brown. high turnout in Boston is good. In quite a few towns like those around Peabody- Boxford, Topsfield, etc. not so good.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 01:48 PM
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3. In the snow? In an off election? It means that Coakley will take it...
the assholes they bussed in for Brown are snowbound and can't vote anyway. Wonder why not more Brown people seen holding signs at the polls? They are wimps.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 01:48 PM
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4. All I know is that low voter turnout spells doom for Democrats
This may not mean that high voter turnout implies Democratic victory, but the chances are far better.
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secondwind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 01:49 PM
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5. high turnout means over 70%
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 01:51 PM
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8. Well, if right now it's double what it was in the primaries, it's only 25% or so
The primaries attracted an astonishingly low turnout.

My guess is that the turnout numbers at this point are predictive of, well, nothing.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 01:51 PM
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7. Brown is going to say it helps him and the media will dutifully
report his words as gospel truth.

The machine is Democratic and the machine is in fucking overdrive.
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 01:52 PM
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9. MSNBC is convinced that high turnout is good for Brown.
No idea why they say this since it's 180 degrees out of whack with conventional wisdom.

MSNBC (daytime) is solidly supporting and proping up the GOP candidate. They love Brown.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 02:02 PM
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11.  Until Election is Over MSNBC Is Unwatchable
Boo MSNBC Boo.
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 02:49 PM
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18. +1
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 02:08 PM
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15. It's the typical repug mentality
Everything is a positive sign for their side.

Low voter turnout? That means a Republican win!

High voter turnout? That means a Republican win!

Mediocre voter turnout? That means a Republican win!

The groundhog sees his shadow. That means a Republican win!

The groundhog does not see his shadow. That means a Republican win!

Somebody shoots the groundhog. That means a Republican win!


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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 03:43 PM
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19. "No idea why they say this since it's 180 degrees out of whack with conventional wisdom"
Which perfectly describes MSNBC (with the exception of Keith, Rachel, and from what I've seen at least, Ed) since this race went national....."180 degrees out of whack with conventional wisdom".

Lately, *most of* MSNBC=Fox News-lite. :thumbsdown:
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 01:58 PM
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10. It depends on where the high turnout is. It does give Coakley a better chance though than if turnou
Edited on Tue Jan-19-10 02:07 PM by Kdillard
is low. Hopefully we get the high turnout and numbers in the areas we need it.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 02:06 PM
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14. They keep reporting on the news that turnout is very high in Brown strongholds.
I hope they're just spinning it.
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Kdillard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 02:18 PM
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17. Well there are also reports of high turnout in Coakley areas and Ted areas. Hopefully
They will be enough to give Martha a chance.
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 02:05 PM
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12. Back in 2004 we were saying high turnout was good for Kerry
because "people don't stand in line to vote for the status quo" or something like that. I don't think anybody knows what it really means.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 04:42 PM
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28. We were right.
If the people in those lines in Ohio would have been able to vote in say an hour (far longer than my suburban 5 minutes from leaving my car to returning and that included a brief chat with a neighbor!) Kerry would have won. Many people had to abandon lines that were 4 to 10 hours long.

Even then it mattered where the lines were. In 2004, they were in the innercities caused partially by intentionally too few machines.
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Jersey Devil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 02:05 PM
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13. Check this post linked inside
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 03:51 PM
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20. Thanks..I saw that before but I didn't read it.
Very interesting.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 02:11 PM
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16. There's no point in trying to endlessly speculate about what every little development means, you'll
just make yourself crazy.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 03:55 PM
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21. MSNBC is reporting that turnout is very high in Brown strong-holds and very low
in Coakley strong-holds.
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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 04:17 PM
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24. Of course they are. He's their new golden child, it seems.
Edited on Tue Jan-19-10 04:18 PM by ObamaKerryDem
Guess Palin is old news..:thumbsdown:

With the exception of Keith, Rachel, and possibly Ed's show, I'm going to be watching MSNBC a LOT less after this election, regardless of the outcome. They've lost me with this one..
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joeglow3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 04:19 PM
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25. Ummm, so you are turning the TV off???
CNN is the only other one I can stomach.
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ObamaKerryDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 04:24 PM
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26. I guess so, lol, at least until closer to the evening.
CNN has been a little better during this race than MSNBC, though none of the channels seem to be the "liberal media" we are supposed to have..at least not lately.
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jenmito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 04:11 PM
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23. Why do you despise Al Gore? n/t
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 04:48 PM
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29. Rather proud of your new decision rule aren't you?
From your name, you don't belong here. The fact is that there are likely two different numbers - where above n% is historically high and m where it is historically low. Maybe take the 2 sigma point of each series (and here, there is a problem as you have little data on special elections for a hotly contested Senate race.

It would be asinine to use 50%, because the addition of two voters can switch it from low to high - pretty silly.
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salguine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 05:26 PM
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30. Run, everybody! Smug-storm!
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-19-10 04:24 PM
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27. Depends it could mean the dems are gotv or a rising tide wanting to send dems a message
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