Diebold paranoiacs, why did Obama win if it's so fixable?

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

Don't get me wrong, I am unhappy with the unaccountable nature of most electronic voting systems, I vote in a state that uses the Diebold tablets. I have posted about my concerns and ideas for better systems in the past.

It's just that it seems to strain credulity that if the GOP could rig things in their favor they would pass up the presidential election and wait for a MA Senate race to do so.

[Lil Missy]

1. It wasn't close enough to fix. n/t

[Festivito]

17. Agreed. Plus their operatives were discouraged by the economy.

So, they had fewer locations and fewer operatives gung-ho to commit crimes.

They're waiting in the wings. We're talking big money. They won't go hungry waiting the way we might.

[intheflow]

18. That's exactly right. n/t

[Orsino]

19. +1 n/t

[LaydeeBug]

29. yep. nt

[Solomon]

30. I think Obama actually won by 20 million votes

They did steal a lot, but it was such a runaway, they couldn't pull it off.

[mod mom]

38. Exactly...the American people voted overwhelmingly for change NOT getting along w a couple of

[alcibiades_mystery]

2. Yum yums

:popcorn:

Double butter for "'They' wanted him to win."

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

5. You got your double butter with reply #4, promptly too!

[rfranklin]

3. It was time for Dems to take the blame for the Republican clusterfuck...

Some Republicans have actually said as much.

[begin_within]

4. Because the entrenched big money/power interests wanted him to win?

Just a guess...

[truedelphi]

22. That's my household's take on this too.

It took the spouse about six months to agree that the fix was in, not in terms of election machinery, but in that we live in a one party nation that likes the "Bad Cop, Good Cop" paradigm.

[begin_within]

24. I think the "powers-that-be" decided that the

Bush/Republican façade had fallen out of favor so they decided to install a different façade that was more user-friendly. The same machinations behind the scenes still go on though no matter who the public figures are.

[Cha]

23. That's just stupid..the people wanted him

to win.

[conscious evolution]

36. +1

As far as I am concerned that is exactly why he won.
The cops aren't the only ones that play good cop/bad cop.

[scheming daemons]

6. The polls have to be close for a fix to be plausible....

Within 3%.


They weren't in 2008. A fix would've been too obvious.


That is why the polls mysteriously went from Coakley +15 to Brown +9 in two weeks. To make the theft plausible.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

14. Not to quibble but...

9 > 3

[Sebastian Doyle]

27. True, but many polls advertise a " margin of error" anywhere up to 5% in either direction

which gives you 10 points to fuck around with, potentially.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

37. Um-m-m...

3 + 5 = 8, not 10

I wish it were as easy as saying the GOP stole last night's election but not even the democrat SoS believes that. The reason? I won't hijack the thread. I'm going to bump my post from last night with my post-mortum read.

[FreakinDJ]

7. Too BIG a margin

[salguine]

8. Maybe the people who would have done the fixing knew they'd have

no worries about Obama changing anything?

[FrenchieCat]

9. No, they just knew that Democrats would eat their own in no time flat.....

so they could just come in time to get blamed,
and then be replaced pronto.

They've seen us at our game before,
and this is what we do best....
If it's not exactly how we say it should be,
we whine till a Republican comes in and starts
the clusterfuck all over again.

It's called the Democratic Win-Whine-Wimp Bubble.

[RandomKoolzip]

10. Because Obama and his administration are all "cooperative" Dems.

Not saying that he's behind any shenanigans; just saying that it's not as if Obama has governed from the left of center or anything since he's been in. Politics = theater, Trojan horse, etc. - choose the metaphor/analogy that fits.

[demigoddess]

11. republicans did not want to clean up the mess they had made.

they wanted the democrats to do it. Someone to blame.

[golfguru]

12. Good point!

Some people can't accept defeat without having an excuse as to why they lost.

[KittyWampus]

13. who said it was "SO FIXABLE"? It is fixable. It requires SOS or someone in place, like Ken Brown

in Ohio.

It also requires close polling prior to election.

And a compliant and complicit media.

Oh, and a weakened opponent with insufficient infrastructure in place before the election in the event there is malfeasance.

[truedelphi]

25. + 1. n/t

[Hippo_Tron]

35. I'm pretty sure almost every state office in Massachusetts is held by Democrats

[timeforpeace]

15. Thought you had 'em, using logic and all.

[lunatica]

16. The Democratic turnout was so overwhelming

that they couldn't fix it. They need to have a 'close race' to get away with fixing it. That's why no matter how far ahead a Democrat is at the beginning of the campaign by the time election day rolls around they're neck to neck in the polls. It's all fake and a racket.

That's the same reason we won in 2006. Voter turnout.

[Cronus Protagonist]

20. Bush Lite

Dark horse candidate who wasn't going to, and hasn't changed much at all.

[lumberjack_jeff]

21. Yeah. Why would they allow such a transfomative change agent to take control?

Oh, that's right.

[Sebastian Doyle]

26. Turnout is the one thing that beats electro-fraud

The machines are designed to rig close elections, so they can claim the polls were off "within the margin of error" when the wrong candidate "wins".

This is something President Obama really needs to keep in mind for 2012. People who hadn't voted in years turned out for a candidate who said "Yes We Can" change this corrupt system. That turnout won't be the same for an incumbent President who didn't.

[mstinamotorcity]

28. It doesn't matter

What you don't understand is our President and his campaign team did what most other politicians are trying to emulate. He got his numbers first.And he had enough good people on the democratic team to become challengers at polling districts they had attorneys ready to go,he had a lot of things in place to deter fraud.The repugs have tried to do this in MA by getting their people on the ground early with the crazy troll army.The machines in question were used during our presidents election,but it could not lie with numbers in the registrations or the lines at the polls.

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

31. There wasn't a full moon that night.

[Writer]

32. I'm not sure...

I haven't yet called 1-800-ILLUMINATI to figure out what happened to that one.

Weird.

[Odin2005]

33. Obama won by too large of a margin to fix.

IMO the actual margin of victory may have in even larger than the "official" numbers.

[Hippo_Tron]

34. Additionally why do we assume it's rigged for Republicans?

Democrats hold pretty much every office in the state of Massachusetts including the ones that count the votes. Why do we assume the machines are rigged for Republicans?