Lets stick our finger in the Repubs eye and PASS the senate bill

[CTLawGuy]

in the house. Then figure out how to use reconciliation to push improvements through piece by piece. That is the only feasible way to use reconciliation so that a bill doesn't get torn to shreds by the Byrd Rule (kills matters that the parliamentarian doesn't consider "related to the budget.").

We can't let them win in the end. Otherwise they get to paint Obama as a failure and they will be rewarded by their unprecedented obstruction

[IndianaGreen]

1. Let's kill the Senate bill

and use reconciliation to expand Medicare.

BTW, Nancy Pelosi nixed your suggestion today.

[CTLawGuy]

3. do we have 51 votes to do that?

NT

[IndianaGreen]

6. If we can't get 51 votes for that, we might as well pack our bags and go home

Harry Reid is no Lyndon Johnson.

[CTLawGuy]

7. then we need more and better democrats

that's the mantra, every election. Even if it takes a while.

[IndianaGreen]

9. I fully agree!

[FVZA_Colonel]

10. What did she say?

Does she just not have the votes, or what?

[IndianaGreen]

14. She wants to change the Senate bill

She wants the national exchange, to name one.

[benlurkin]

2. Talk to Sen Webb about that

n/t

[CTLawGuy]

4. he won't have any say in it.

if and when the senate bill passes the house exactly as is it goes to the white house.

[IndianaGreen]

8. I doubt there are 218 votes in the House for the Senate's HCR

[CTLawGuy]

11. we will see

maybe not.

[jenmito]

12. Pelosi will get it done. n/t

[DJ13]

5. If you really WANT to royally piss off the voters for the midterms

That would be the best course to take.

[jenmito]

13. The voters will reward the Dems. for accomplishing the nearly impossible. n/t

[enfield collector]

15. fuck all those fascist assholes, we'll ram this shit down those tea baggers throat and they'll

like it or they can FOAD

[Grand Taurean]

16. I agree.

[DJ13]

17. You're ignoring that much of our own base doesnt want the current HCR

Thats why this would be a mistake.

Screw the tea baggers, they're not important.

[enfield collector]

18. screw the other fucking idiots in our party, they can go cozy

up to sarah palin and she can give them affordable healthcare. I understand she's real pro choice as well...........NOT

[DJ13]

20. Rahm, is that you?

[IndianaGreen]

21. Well, nothing like setting us up for another 1994 disaster

We can't win without independents, and a majority of Americans don't like the Senate's HCR.

[CitizenLeft]

19. "FOAD"

...took me a moment... :rofl:

I totally agree.

[last1standing]

22. That would be sticking their fingers in the eyes of the American people.

Kill this disgusting bill and pass reforms piece by piece. If it needs to be done by reconciliation, then so be it, but do not pass a bill that will do little more than damage an already weakened middle class.

[davidpdx]

23. I was pretty upbeat about getting stuff pass until today

but this is just demoralizing. We are fucked. Almost nothing will get passed this year, which will screw us in the midterms.