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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:38 AM
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Senator Jim Webb wants further votes on health care legislation put on hold until Brown's seated.
Per TPM:

"In many ways the campaign in Massachusetts became a referendum not only on health care reform but also on the openness and integrity of our government process. It is vital that we restore the respect of the American people in our system of government and in our leaders. To that end, I believe it would only be fair and prudent that we suspend further votes on health care legislation until Senator-elect Brown is seated."

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/health-care-comes-to-screeching-halt-sen-webb-no-hcr-votes-until-brown-seated.php
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Marsala Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:40 AM
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1. That's only a small sacrifice
Pushing the revised bill through the Senate again would probably be impossible in the time remaining. Webb isn't calling for abandoning it altogether - at least, not with that statement.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:41 AM
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2. He's being seated tomorrow.......
so it appears that President Webb got his wish.
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Clio the Leo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:42 AM
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4. And I'm betting Sen Webb knew that when he said it. NT
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BunkerHill24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:45 AM
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7. LOL@ President Webb
Maybe in 2012 Virginia would have a say on deciding the presidential election in 2012?
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:46 AM
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9. They should. They did in 2008.
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BunkerHill24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:47 AM
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12. Naah, I thought it was Ohio.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:50 AM
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13. I think all of the states have a "say"......
I just don't think any get all of the "say"...

I don't think that 2008 was a year that any particular state had a bigger "say"...
since Obama won so many.
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BunkerHill24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 01:03 AM
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19. I agree
but I thought given the attention paid to Ohio by the M$M, bittersweet that we won.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 01:00 AM
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17. Til the Senate voted, Webb was on the fence. So, forgive me if
I've lost quite a bit of faith in Webb. He's flitting in the wind imo.
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frazzled Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:41 AM
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3. That's what we get for getting all fuzzy about a former Republican
turned Democrat.

Sigh.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:45 AM
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6. zactly.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:45 AM
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5. People are "unreccing" this stuff like somehow that'll make it go away...
n/t
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:47 AM
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11. It is strange.
Kinda like sticking your fingers in your ears and saying LALALALALALALALA...
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tblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:46 AM
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8. Why do Dems cave time after time after time?
I hate it!
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kayla9170 Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:46 AM
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10. No Health Care Reform.....this year.........
Or any year. We can just thank ourselves now...............
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:54 AM
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14. Fine
Skip the Senate, pass the Senate's bill in the House, seat Brown, send the bill to the president, and then do a reconciliation fix of the taxes in the bill.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 12:58 AM
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15. There is another way. Pass legislation fixing the Senate bill first
"If it comes down to that Senate bill or nothing, I think we're going to end up with nothing, because I don't hear a lot of support on our side for that bill," said Rep. Stephen Lynch (D-MA). "I've lost my faith in anything happening quickly that requires Senate action.

"If she loses, it's over," Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-NY) said this evening in New York.

Two high-profile progressives--Reps. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) and Jerrold Nadler (D-NY)--said the only way they could sign on to the Senate bill is if it was accompanied immediately, or even preceded by, a separate bill, making a number of major preemptive changes to what they regard as an inferior package.

"It would have to be so quick that they happen at the same time," Weiner said. "We're in full whistling past the graveyard mode in there.... They're talking as if, like, what our deal is, what our negotiations are with the White House. Yeah, I mean if the last line is 'pigs fly out ass' or something like that.... We've gotta recognize we have an entirely different scenario tomorrow."

"You should do the other stuff first and then pass the Senate bill," Nadler told me. "I don't see how I could vote for the Senate bill," otherwise.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/01/determined-or-delusional-house-leadership-sounds-optimistic-on-hcr.php
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kayla9170 Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 01:00 AM
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16. It's not going to get done................
No health care.....that's it. Health care is over.........
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 01:56 AM
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20. I don't think you can do what Nadler suggests
You can't make the changes on a bill not yet passed.
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JaneQPublic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 01:01 AM
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18. Doesn't Mass already have health care reform?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought a health care bill passed in the commonwealth while Romney was Gov.

So, if they've already got it, why would Mass voters use their senate race as a "referendum" on health care reform if they're going to have it whether the rest of the country does or not?
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