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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 02:59 PM
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DUers painting Coakley's loss as a referendum on Obama and DNC leadership . . .
. . .are so f'ing misguided.

Coakley lost this campaign fair and square. She had 30 point lead and took it for granted. The White House/DNC can always do more, but at the end of the day she is the one who ran a crappy campaign.

I see folks call for Rahm's head over this, those same people are the very people who will call for Rahm's head for just waking up in the morning.

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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:01 PM
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1. Name one positive that Rahm has brought to the table. One. nt
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:15 PM
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7. That's not his job
HIs job is making sure the White House and its staff function. PERIOD. Those that want him fired for every shitty move President Obama has made are just too cowardly to blame the President.
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Ken Burch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:38 PM
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9. He's not even succeeding at "his job", then.
The death of healthcare means the White House and its staff AREN'T functioning. If they were, the White House would FIGHT for the base. The base should always come first. It always does with the GOP.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:54 PM
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11. You really don't understand his job
if you think it's to tie up the President and force him to do his bidding. I agree the base should come first. Perhaps your ire should be with the President obviously disagreeing. Unless you think he's Rahm's puppet.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:39 PM
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10. Good point. I do blame the president for that hire. Unfortunately it's against DU rules now to
combine their two names to imply that they share a political mind.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:56 PM
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12. Probably because they don't share
a single mind. Has it occured to anyone calling for Rahm's head that the President is doing his own thinking here and doesn't agree with the base?
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 04:14 PM
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15. I think he and Rahm share that disagreement with the base. You're right, firing Rahm won't matter.
Rahm was his number one draft pick, the day after the election.
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spiritual_gunfighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 05:07 PM
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21. I blame the President for hiring him n/t
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Zenlitened Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:02 PM
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2. It seems President Obama disagrees with you.

...The president also said the same voter anger that swept him into office in 2008 carried Brown into office on a stunning upset victory Tuesday night over heavily favored Democrat Martha Coakley.

"Here's my assessment of not just the vote in Massachusetts, but the mood around the country: the same thing that swept Scott Brown into office swept me into office," the president said in an exclusive interview with ABC News' George Stephanopoulos. "People are angry and they are frustrated. Not just because of what's happened in the last year or two years, but what's happened over the last eight years."

http://abcnews.go.com/WN/Politics/president-obama-scott-brown-massachusetts-victory/story?id=9611222
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Betty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:04 PM
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3. she deserves plenty of blame
but it's equally misguided to think there's nothing wrong with the way they do business at the White House.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:06 PM
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4. Nobody's blaming DNC leadership
Because you can't blame that which does not exist.

Bring back Dr. Dean!
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daa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:07 PM
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5. Stick head in sand, get blasted in November eom
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cry baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:10 PM
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6. blaming Obama is very popular here.
I agree with what you say.
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wowimthere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:36 PM
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8. that's not fair. There is a list of reasons Obama and Dems get some of this blame.
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 03:37 PM by wowimthere
Not harnessing Blue Dogs who want to undermine healthcare is one of them.
Joe Lieberman
Landreiu
Nelson
Raising a lot of cash for races but not using it effectively
Not standing up for the principles you espoused during the primaries.

Yes she ran a crappy campaign but if healthcare had been passed months ago, I believe Coakley would have won that seat.

Ineffectiveness of government is not getting the big things done and she lost because of it.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 03:58 PM
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13. ABO TPs in position.


"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 04:09 PM
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14. Those on the left have their
explanations to blame Pres Obama for this and those on the right call it a divine intervention.

But, while they're both crowing I'm getting busy listening to John Kerry..

"Tonight’s results will be analyzed and overanalyzed by the punditry. I hope as a Party we don't succumb to the temptation to form a circular firing squad. It does no one any good. One lesson Ted Kennedy and I both learned from defeat is, you just pick yourself up, dust yourself off, chart a course forward, and get back in the fight."

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Divine Discontent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 04:20 PM
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16. You don't get more "Change" than a Republican sexist, bigoted, airhead winning in Massachusetts.


This stooge former nude (for the right price) model wouldn't have been taking over the seat Kennedy held in Massachusetts if the White House hadn't just went through a pretty LOUSY first year.

The Democratic leaders should have been playing hardball with their members and Lieberman, over health care, last year, to prevent this from happening. Everything was at their disposal to keep it from happening. It's horribly embarrassing.

But, continue on with the 'can do no wrong' committee's projection that it's her fault exclusively, meanwhile, even the White House admits things are still crappy and it's their fault too.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 04:20 PM
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17. Rahm's job is to protect the interests of the President
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 04:23 PM by yourguide
Which includes defending *any* challenge to a filibuster proof majority with every fiber of his being.

Tim Kaine's job is to gain and hold Democratic seats.

Neither one did their jobs, neither did Martha Coakley by the way, but there is PLENTY of blame to go around here.

Everyone got lazy, Martha, Tim, & Rahm.
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freddie mertz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 04:55 PM
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19. Some heads need to roll.
Start with Kaine, Rahm, and Axelriod.

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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 04:22 PM
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18. DNC leadership is known only for being right wing evangelical
The 'leadership' part is not in their version of the Bible, so they don't know about it. They know about opposing gay rights, and science. And putting audiences to sleep. Wet Blanket Bigots they are called.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 05:02 PM
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20. Here's more reality on the election in Mass..
.... Given that the results in Massachusetts were not quite what the political world was expecting as of, say, two weeks ago, there will be plenty of "what just happened?" questions over the next several days. We're already hearing ample talk about what lessons Democrats should have learned from this painful defeat.

I think it's probably a mistake to overstate the larger significance of a special election 10 months before the midterms, but it'd be foolish to pretend Scott Brown's victory was some random fluke, never to be repeated again.

With that in mind, here are my Top 5 lessons to be learned from the Mess in Massachusetts.

1. Successful candidates hit the campaign trail. Candidates seeking office should probably campaign while voters are making up their minds. It's old-fashioned thinking, I know, but winning a primary and then dropping out of sight -- while your opponent is working hard to reach out to voters -- tends to be a bad idea.

For much of the post-primary period, the campaign calendar on the Coakley website was blank. Dave Weigel noted yesterday, "From the primary through last Sunday, Scott Brown held 66 events of varying size. Coakley held 19." Part of this is because Brown had to introduce himself to voters who had no idea who he was, while Coakley was already well known. But 19 events in 40 days is evidence of a Senate candidate who was taking victory for granted -- and in the process, throwing victory away.

2. Voters like likeable candidates. Some voters care more about policy and substance than which candidate they most want to have a beer with, but these voters tend to be outnumbered. We've all seen races in which the thoughtful, hard-working, experienced candidate who emphasizes substantive issues loses out to the fun, likable opponent (see 2000, presidential election of).

The Massachusetts race fits this model nicely. Chris Good noted this week, "hile Coakley focused on the issues in this race, Brown can credit his lead in multiple polls to his own personality and personal image, which he crafted with a series of successful ads portraying him as an average, likable guy." It's tempting to think voters in a mature democracy, especially in a state like Massachusetts, would prioritize policy over personality, and appreciate the candidate who "focused on the issues." But yesterday was the latest in a series of reminders that personal qualities often trump everything else.

3. Saying dumb things will undermine public support. When the pressure was on, Coakley insulted Red Sox fans -- twice. She kinda sorta said there are "no terrorists in Afghanistan," and that "devout Catholics" may not want to work in emergency rooms. When the Democratic campaign realized it was in deep trouble, and readied an effort to turn things around, it had trouble overcoming the distractions caused by the candidate's public remarks.

Maybe, if the campaign had been in gear throughout the post-primary process, Coakley would have been sharper on the stump, had more message discipline, and been less likely to make these costly, distracting errors.

4. Learn something about your opponent. Because the Democratic campaign assumed it would win, it didn't invest much energy in understanding its opponent (who, incidentally, won). They didn't identify Brown's weak points, and seemed to know practically nothing about his background. When the race grew competitive, nearly all of the damaging stories about the Republican candidate came from well-researched blog posts, not the campaign's opposition research team. "Get to know your opponent" is one of those lessons taught on the first day of Campaign 101, and campaigns that forget it are going to struggle.

5. Enthusiasm matters. No matter how confused and uninformed Brown's supporters seemed, they were also motivated. Dems liked Coakley, but they weren't, to borrow a phrase, fired up and ready to go.

Looking ahead, chances are pretty good that organized right-wing voters will be mobilized and itching to vote in November. They certainly were yesterday. Democrats can't expect to do well with an unmotivated, listless party base.

—Steve Benen 6:30 AM Permalink | Trackbacks | Comments (51)

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/

And, now Mass has a interim Senator who "believes in torture".
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