The Clinton years were the best and turning point for the US

[jasi2006]

The Clinton years were our best years.

It has been and will continue to be down hill from now on.
Relative peace and prosperity, with more people moving into the middle class than ever. More people buying homes, more children going to college, more people working, more people feeling good about themselves and their country, and the world admiring and respecting our government, our President, and our people.

Not good. A poor white boy from Arkansas grows up to be President, befriends many minorities, threatens the status quo by seeking to build a government responsive to and responsible for its people, and tries to improve the well-being and standard of living among the working class!! Off with his head!!! How dare he and his wife try to overhaul a healthcare system that was working so well for the elite among us. How dare he try to swell the middle class by allowing the undeserving buy their own homes, open their own businesses!! Damn it!!

(Some will say it was a false prosperity and that the home buyers who could not afford their homes were the cause of the housing bubble burst. I say not. It was the greedy, conservative, banks and corporations who went beyond what was needed to help people buy homes. Most working people that I know,( and studies have proved this when looking at working families, especially among minorities), regard their homes as their most prized possessions, the true “American dream.” They will work hard, sometimes two or three jobs to keep that home and every body in the household will pitch in to keep that home. The bubble burst when the already wealthy sought to latch on to the system that was helping millions and flaunt their wealth by speculating, buying second and third residences and becoming victims of their own greed and greedy co-harts in the banking and finance industries. Making more and more bogus financial mechanisms, creating more and more interest-eating schemes that only THEY could qualify for and were offered (not many poor people lost money to Maddoff and his ilk). They pulled many elite suckers along with them (because this kind of wealth was meant only for them). The banks could have left the nearly credit-worthy folks alone to pay off their mortgages that they could afford with muli-incomes. But no….they had to go after these workers with fancy re-financing instruments, that even lawyers could not understand, promising quick easy cash that was loaded with cannibalistic interest rates. BOOM!!! BANG!)

How did we succeed in stopping it? We stoked the fires of the bigotry and fear that lay just beneath the surface of a lot of white folks. We engages the assistance of the ever faithful-to-our-needs media, that is itself a huge part of the elite class. With their help we shut down and shut out the voices of compassion and reason among us. We turned our government into a much vilified and scorned institution at home and abroad by raising the baseless fear levels about government control, big spending, taxes, etc while at the same time pushing the notion that government had a right to be in our bedrooms and our churches. We even begin to applaud those among the hard core right media who get to call our President and First Lady “trailer trash” and who talk about our President’s private parts like they were their own. We believe lies and scorn truth and ignore the reality of our own pitiful lives.

And we contine to do what we do best andthe media keeps on helping us.

[Lost4words]

1. Are you serious or being sarcastic, I cant tell. nt

[salguine]

2. This definitely pongs of sarcasm.

[Big Orange Jeff]

3. Good call. Dems hate winners, proving so by backstabbing the best president in the last 40 years. nt

nt

[Lost4words]

4. You need more library time, for sure.

[Big Orange Jeff]

5. Which president, from the last 40 years, was better?

Nixon? Reagan? Shrub?

[Lost4words]

6. You got me there BOJ, Your statement is technically correct.

I stand corrected. Looking at it this way its just depressing, because BC did us no favors, I had hoped for more from him.

My appologies to you.

[Big Orange Jeff]

7. Not saying he was perfect, just better than the others, and he was thrown under the bus.

<eom>

[Lost4words]

8. Yes and no, Bills extracurricular actives did him in. IMHO.

and gave his enemies the tools to bring him down.

[The_Commonist]

10. Bring him down?

What does that mean, bring him down?
He survived impeachment and ended his presidency with higher approval ratings than before impeachment.
His wife then went on to become a Senator, ran for president and is now Sec. of State.
Who brought him down?
He's now considered something of an elder statesman.
Did him in?
What does that mean?

[Lost4words]

14. OMG. you are right BC did much for the Dem party

Hell many consider W an elder statesman, where have you been? Are you another one of these the dems never do anything wrong?

The country elected a simpleton due to the anger Bill Clinton caused.

You can say the B Clinton survived impeachment but Democratic Party did not fair to well did we?

You cannot disconnect it, His wife might have become pres if not for BC actions.

Its all connected, why dont you and cali go yell at each other for a while.

:wtf:

[Big Orange Jeff]

33. So are you saying that every accomplishment was negated by a blow job? nt

nt

[The_Commonist]

36. I was responding to the notion that...

"Bills extracurricular actives did him in... and gave his enemies the tools to bring him down."

I'm sorry, but you are totally wrong about that. He was clearly not "brought down."
Now, did he damage the Democratic party? I think yes, because he moved it too far to the right. There are a lot of things about Clinton that I was not happy about, but the blowjob was not one of those things. The country "elected" a simpleton partly because Al Gore tried to run away from Clinton, and ended up being little more than a dullard because of it. I've always liked Gore much more than Clinton, and I was appalled at the way he ran his campaign. That election was his to lose, and he (well, not really!) lost it partly because he would not invoke the name of Bill.

W an elder statesman? Not in the same league. He doesn't have the intellectual acuity to be anything more than an empty suit for photo ops. He's maybe the elder statesman for teabaggers, but world leaders are never going to meet with him to solve real problems. Clinton has done a lot of good since leaving office, maybe even better work than when he was president.

And as far a cali is concerned, I've agreed with her on many things, and she's yelled at me for other things. C'est la vie!

[salguine]

9. The "best President in 40 years" has backstabbed ME.

[lib2DaBone]

11. The thing about Bill Clinton.... Don't know if he did us any favors..

1) NAFTA (giant sucking sound of jobs leaving the country)

2) Tore down Glass-Steagall (see current state of the economy)

3) 1996 Telcom Act (Clear Channel and Fox now control almost 100% of radio and TV)

[swilton]

13. And the Bombing 'War' on Bosnia

That was not authorized by the UN - set a precedent for US interventions w/o UN mandates. They used depleted uranium on Bosnia which and other high-tech weaponry that provided a test case for future slaughters /interventions....set a precedent for US imperialism and NATO presence in Central-Eastern Europe...and for what? Russia no longer poses a threat...

[jasi2006]

38. And we lost how many in that war ? nt

[TexasObserver]

12. Bill Clinton was the best president since LBJ.

And that remains unchanged.

[swilton]

15. Does that really say much?

After all, the bar has been set pretty low with Reagan, Bush/Shrub and Nixon...Did he really solve any problems - did he wean us off of our addiction to fosil fuels, or our addiction to wars....he was the fair child of the DLC and manufactured no less than Bush II and Obama.

The only reason he won the election against Bush I was that Ross Perot got in the race and took conservative votes away from Pappy Bush.

[TexasObserver]

18. Yes, it does. It says his critics are unrealistic.

Clinton was dramatically better than Bush I, Bush II, Reagan, Carter, and Nixon.

[niceypoo]

26. He is the only effective president since LBJ

Love him or hate him he got things done.

[joeybee12]

16. Exactly...wish I could rec your post...n/t

[Lost4words]

17. If Bill Clinton is the BEST, we have little to hope for.

I am sorry

[TexasObserver]

19. Maybe you need to recalibrate your own point of view.

Yes, Bill Clinton is the best since LBJ. If you think that means little to hope for, the problem is you, not Clinton.

[Lost4words]

20. My point self calibrates with knowledge and hours of reading

you should try it. BTW I am not arguing with your OPINION of my point of view.
Nobody was a bigger FAN of the Big Dog than I was. I had a framed Clinton Gore Inaugration poster in my house until 5 years ago.

I donated to both his campains. To me he was intelegent and a man of/for the people. A man with common roots. I even thought NAFTA must be a good thing cause BC was for it. I WAS an IT worker. Oh also I was living in Wash DC, I lived there 27 years all as an adult. DC local news is wall to wall politics. I formed my opinion over much time and I will say if BC was the Best we have had in XX years then what we need is a supercalifragilic-uber better that God kind of person. Our form of govt needs a real shake up not biz as uasual.

Thanks for your observation, my view is mine and as mine is in perfect calibration and in perfect synchronazation with that of many many others who have taken the time to study.

[TexasObserver]

21. If you can't give Clinton his due

If you can't give Clinton his due, I don't really care what your opinion of him is.

[Lost4words]

27. Oh but I care what your opinion is, Open your mind something might fall in

Till then Have a nice day.

[TexasObserver]

28. I know. That's why you can't stop telling me.

I hope you've learned something here today.

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[TexasObserver]

32. I learned a long time ago that Bill Clinton haters are irrational.

As I said, that you cannot give him the credit for being a good president labels you, not him.

[M155Y_A1CH]

22. Agree

For some folks, setting the pie too high is great fun. The nattering nabobs can see no good because they are not looking for it.

[Lost4words]

31. God thats stupid!

[M155Y_A1CH]

35. Someone got up on the wrong side of the issue

Take a chill pill, Dude. Why are you so full of anger?
Two other Presidents have served since Mr. Clinton yet he is still responsible for all our ills, in your mind. Things didn't just run more smoothly under Clinton, they actually got better for us all.
So mistakes were made.
So what?

[Lost4words]

41. And you assume its me, you stupid little ass

BTW your supreme court has just fucked your future, or didnt you know that little fact?

[Jennicut]

23. As much as I loved him way back in the 90's, Clinton let the doors open

for the Rethugs and bankers to come in and do what they wanted.

[Fire1]

24. At the time he was the best. Everybody was living off of credit. n/t

[jasi2006]

39. "Everybody" is a pretty sweeping call. You must be speaking for yourself?

I had a good paying job, money in the bank and minimal credit debt. And I just felt better about my country and government. Period.

[Fire1]

40. No broad brush intended. The Clinton Administation had the

highest employment rate in thirty years. Everybody had a good paying job! I only made that snark because surely you know Clinton and the left were blamed for pressuring the banks to loosen up the lending, thus the credit crunch.

[jasi2006]

25. Well, some of us don't really care how much we get hurt so long as

someone else get hurts more.

I have lived through every Presidetial administrain since FDR and I can tell you, Clinton's administration was the best by far since FDR.

Some things accomplished:

Clinton actually raised taxes on the wealthy, reduced our deficit, created jobs, reduced permanet government employmet roles, put more cops on the streets and reduced crime rates across the nation, initiated the family-friendly workplace, made government agencies work better (SSA, FEMA) than previously; except for the GOP die-hards, people became more caring and friendlier, oversaw increased personal wealth for millions (including RW fanatics who hate government and hated Clinton), created an atmosphere for international respect for our country; tried for ME peace (nevermind that the "Swiss cheese" plan for Palestinian autonomy was unacceptable to Palestinans); worked hard for and succeeded in helping to bring reolution to the Irish/British conflict (IRA); initiated a fairly good agreement with the North Koreans (that broke down when the US failed to live up to its part of th agreement by giving the aid promised;started a major overhaul of our military to modernize and prepare for 21st century warfare; much promoted the access and expansion of the Internet; anti-nuclear proliferiton pacts; starated the control of the banking industry (tho thwarted on several fronts by the GOP and corporate Dems); focused attention on the healthcare crisis in this country...and we know the history about that).

[Big Orange Jeff]

29. Liberals/Progressives seem to want a pony...

...and then are stunned when they don't get one. Clinton tried to deliver things like HCR, etc., but the sacless Dems wouldn't help him. Now Obama is trying, and the Dems aren't helping him.

The same thing is happening to Obama. He ran his campaign on Hope and Change. He has tried to deliver, but - once again - the spineless Dems in the House and Senate wet themselves every time the GOP looks at them cross-eyed. Remember, folks, Obama is only one-third of the government. He can't just will things to happen. Congress has to go along.

Dean was right, if * had wanted HCR, it would have been done during the first 100 days, even with a Dem-controlled Congress.

I feel like Bartcop - how did I get into a party of spineless wimps?

[salguine]

34. You're goddamn right I want a fucking pony. And I want the pony's name to be

"Justice". Which means the pony is REAL healthcare reform that puts people before corporate profits. The pony fights for people losing their homes rather than irresponsible and predatory lenders. The pony thinks it's unacceptable that old people have to choose between groceries and medicine.

Obama has "tried to deliver"? What horseshit. He hasn't fought for ANYTHING, except when the banks needed bailed out with your money. I don't call packing your cabinet and every advisory panel with Wall Street and Goldman Sachs executives "trying". No, he can't just will things to happen. But he can damn well make some kind of token effort. The President isn't Congress, but he can PROPOSE legislation, did you know that? And submit it to Congress? It's right there in the rules.

You know, for quite some time now it's looked like the insipid "pony" canard had finally died its deserved and unlamented death. You have so equally insipidly brought it back from the dead. I had made myself a rule (unused for a while now) that the appearance of the word "pony" in any response to a legitimate concern would earn the responder an immediate ticket to my Ignore list. Bon voyage!

[Big Orange Jeff]

37. Yippee-ki-yay! The problem is that you paid for a pony, without seeing it first...

...and now that you have it, you find out it isn't really a pony. I mean, it looks kinda like a pony. It smells kinda like a pony. But, when when you look at it really closely, you realize that it's just a donkey.

I believe that Obama wants to deliver true HCR, but the spineless Dems - in the face of GOP bullying - won't stand up for themselves, much less you or me. Some of them will fight Obama on any issue just to show how independent they are. This is the same mentality that helped damage Clinton's legacy over a freaking blow job.

They need to stand up, pull together, and come up with a solution that's best for Americans, not the solution that they THINK will get them re-elected. Once they have that, ram it down the GOP's collective throats, whether they like it or not. But no, that would be considered rude, and the sacless Dems can't have that.

And say what you will about the "insipid 'pony' canard", but it fits. Have fun riding your donkey.

[Romulox]

42. Wonderful satire. I wonder if some of the respondents upthread picked up on it?

:rofl: