We are offically in the deep stuff here.. SCOTUS ruling scares the bejeebus out of me

[Peacetrain]

All of the banking regulations in the works could get really gummed up by the Brown thing in Massachusetts. Not could.. will.. we are going to be back to square one.

Now the SCOTUS has unleashed corporations to set up shill fronts to lobby for anything they want against political canidates.

Most people are not going to know what hit them.

Democracy for the people and by the people, has just been kneecapped by the corporations.

These media types are shills for the corps already. :thumbsdown:

I hope our elected officials can do something to tie these corporations up in knots.

I do not care where you stand on the political spectrum.. this is bad news for all of us

[phantom power]

1. That is a damned slim hope, considering...

that the ruling allows our elected officials to be bought even more thoroughly than they are already.

[Peacetrain]

3. I do not think I have ever felt this democracy as endangered as it became today

[phantom power]

6. This depresses me far more than Brown's election...

and that was pretty depressing.

Naturally, this tectonic shift will receive little or no coverage in the MSM.

:(

[Peacetrain]

8. Oh my god..Me too..this is so far reaching

Brown is a blip on the radar compared to this

[Democrat_in_Houston]

12. I think I am officially in the "give up" category.

If I could talk my grown kids into moving to Canada, I would. :cry:

[Deep13]

2. I'm ready. nt

[Peacetrain]

7. Circle this day on your calendar.. this is the day the beginning of the end

starts, if our legislators do not do something to mitigate the effects of the right wing scotus types ..

[Deep13]

18. In that case...

I'm ready.

[Jennicut]

4. Banking regulations are hamstrung already by some Dems

This ruling just adds to a collectively bad few past days.

[Peacetrain]

5. I think we are in real trouble as a country..

Because these guys can now lobby and set up fake fronts to derail any canidate. Up is down.. down is up..

[Jennicut]

9. Yup, it is a disaster for democracy.

[uponit7771]

10. There's counter to corporate money and unions don't have the bankroll

[BrklynLiberal]

11. We are now officilally teetering on the slippery edge of Fascist Corporatocracy.

[Broke In Jersey]

13. I don't understand the ruling...

Is any company/union/individual now allowed to give ANY amount of money to any candidate now? Or are any of the mentioned allowed to give unlimited money to a 'PAC-type' group to run ads and whatnot for/against a candidate?

Thanks

[Peacetrain]

16. This is a thread in GD that has what you need

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7530500&mesg_id=7530500

[Broke In Jersey]

19. Thanks Peacetrain

good discussion link that gives the details on the ruling!!!

[Peacetrain]

30. It was too late to edit, or I would have cross linked in my original op..

Land Sharks was up before mine, but in GD, and I should have done that.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

14. This is the decision that could bring down the US..

It is THAT huge. :scared:

The work to save our country just quadrupled.

[rudy23]

15. Obama's on their team, too. Where do we start?

This is a serious question. You know they're coming for the internet, next.

[Peacetrain]

17. Obama is not on the SCOTUS team.. especailly since it was passed by all right wingers

But given time.. this could morph to the corporations having more rights than the citizen.. you are not too far off base on that one.

[phleshdef]

24. Save for Kennedy, the decision was supported by the right wingers.

Learn what happened before you speak.

[tridim]

20. Is there any law remaining that says these corporate political ads have to be honest?

Because if not, whoa nelly!

Expect Clear Channel ads soon.

[Peacetrain]

27. Yep.. and the media and our screen times have so increased since the

laws were set up.. This is a brave new world for the corporations. The idea that unions which are a little over 12.5 % of workers are somehow going to be able to ante up the money to counteract these internationals, is ludicrous.

This will be an all out assault by who has the most money on the voting population.

I am not watching TV right now, but dollars to doughnuts they are not covering this very much..

[The Backlash Cometh]

21. We're going to have to find novel ways to fight them.

You know they are already taking over. Here's what I suggest. When I worked for a corporation, my boss told me to write all my letters to customers using "we" instead of "I." The all powerful "we." Well, I never abused the power of the "we," mostly because I left the corp. after four years and never learned how. However, there is power in the "we." You see, if you make a mistake, corporations usually bandy around the mistake, rather than fess up to it. They assume that you won't go through hoops to figure out their policies, like a lawyer would, to find out where they are wrong. Well, City, State and Federal government, has become exactly like those corporations. You can't tell them apart now, because they have all been taken over by the corporate business method of using the "we."

I'm dealing with that very problem right now. I have found an incredible breach, where my City basically was involved in a conspiracy. Now, the City didn't partake in the conspiracy -- individuals did. However, the City is now in the position of having to protect the actions of those individuals, because the liability for those actions will eventually have to be absorbed by them -- The City.

If this was all I was dealing with, it would be an easy matter to resolve through the courts, however, who controls the courts? Well, judges serve on the benches, and judges were once lawyers who worked for law firms which, often times, are involved with City matters. If a lawyer makes it as far as a judge in Florida, chances are they were involved in something very peppery and sensitive. (I'm going by my own experience and observation.) So, not only is it likely that you'll face a judge who is aware of the situation you're dealing with, but you'll meet a judge in the appellate court as well who has the same familiarity. And if experiences tells me something, it is that these people don't reveal their conflicts of interest. So, unless you understand every network in the local area and every face, let's scratch the courts off the list, cuz, you're just going to fall into a trap. Without the power of the ACLU, it's unlikely there will be enough shoulders available to climb out of that trap on your own.

What about the State Attorney's Office? Well, who controls the SAO? I don't know. I just know that they either are incredibly quiet about their investigations, or they are also affected by the power of the "we." How? Well the individuals who were involved in the original shenanigans are also members of other organizations. They network. So every network that they belong to that they can win over, becomes an ally in their fight to keep the truth from coming out to hurt them. That means, that the power of the "we," can extend into our agencies of remedies -- but we already knew that with what happened to the Justice Department.

In sum people, you're not fighting something that is faceless. You're fighting people who are pushing policies, bad policies. So expose the faces who are behind those polices and decisions. Separate them from the herd and make them responsible for the decisions they make.

That's how you fight the "We" Monster. Begin with their "I"s.

[avaistheone1]

22. I agree. This is frightening turn of events in our democracy.

k&r

[avaistheone1]

23. YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I just heard this makes it easier for foreign corporations to control our

elections.


The gates of hell have just been opened.



:scared: :scared: :scared:

[Peacetrain]

26. Oh geez...

[avaistheone1]

28. Geez?!!!!!

Do you want China to control our elections? Or some other country?

So you think that is not possible.




:crazy: :crazy: :crazy:

[Peacetrain]

29. You misunderstand.. oh geez is I agree with you..

[avaistheone1]

32. Got it.

Thanks.


:kick:

[HillGal]

25. The ruling allows Unions to spend what they want also. NT

NT

[tridim]

31. Unions don't have billions available for running ads.

And they will also be held to a different standard than the giant corporations, whom I assume will be given free-reign to blatantly lie in their ads.

[avaistheone1]

33. Correct.

Unions can not compete fairly regarding speech with the big corporations.

[Peacetrain]

34. Is the media covering this at all?