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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:42 AM
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Can we get a leadership that leads?
OK, we lost one senator, but we still have 59 senators and a majority of Democrats in Congress, but, clearly, we are missing leaders who have some notions of where to go and how to go there.

The show that Democrats have been giving these last few days (before and after Tuesday) is terrible (and honestly existed before, adding to Martha Coakley's terrible campaign and leading to this loss).

A few excerpts from the front page of TMP


Plan B 2.0: Are Dems Walking Back From The Brink On Health Care



# Dems Don't Discuss Detailed Options At Caucus Meeting
Just a Chat
According to Majority Leader Hoyer, at the House Dems caucus meeting this morning, the leadership presented no plan or options for moving forward to get reform passed.



# Reps. Tanner and Blumenauer Suggest Breaking Up Reform In Small Chunks



Landrieu On Health Care: 'There's Always Tomorrow' (though her office said later she mispoke)
Landrieu in Da House

Landrieu: We've been working on Health Care Reform for 47 years, what's a year or a decade more?



Weiner On Health Care: 'Hit The Reset Button'


Now. note these are both progressive and Blue Dogs speaking, so this is not ideology. It is a clear failure of leadership.

Can we have leaders that are able to put together a plan to govern.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:50 AM
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1. We DO have leaders that are able to put together a plan to govern They just want to lead us in the
WRONG direction.

We don't need any more 'NEW' Democrats.
We don't need any more "centrists" Democrats.
We don't need any more 'Corporate' Democrats.
We don't need any more 'Conservative' Democrats.

We DO need real DEMOCRATS ready and able to work on behalf of the American PEOPLE.
THAT is the message 'they' should be taking form Massachusetts.
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:57 AM
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3. You see leadership in what is playing under our eyes right now?
I dont. Certainly the Democratic Senate and House caucuses are too conservative, but, even with that, I'd like to see people who want to lead.

They let themselves be entrapped in the rethoric of 60 votes, and now, they behave as if they had only 49 seats and cant do anything.
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:16 PM
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4. I see them leading us into the arms of a Fascist state. That includes elected pols on both sides
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 11:56 AM
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2. I felt Virginia
despite many of the similar and logical rationalizations was the ominous sign of the leadership taking a long nap or a Mr. Hyde potion every time a new election were to come up. Massive political incompetence. You can prioritize mistakes as you will and get defensive about the natural heat a party in power in bad times takes after the sixty second honeymoon allowed Dems in their equally craven submission to MSM, but someone up in the DLC furiously hits the repeat button as the modest left kibitzers get nothing but scowls.

They want bland, dumbed down institutional reps and a bland effective product despite all greater realities and contradictions. Then they can comfortably blame them for losing. They choose to apply the rules of the money game and the democracy ideal in all the practical wrong ways as if they were morally compatible.They ignore the loons on the other side even as they enable them and walk blindfolded down a redneck raceway. The fear and put down the pols they find most offensive and competitive- Dem progressives who know and do better and ARE open to compromise.

Or this is just what the mysterious losing streak of a "great" team looks like.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:20 PM
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5. Wait until 2010 - The GOP is good at getting things done
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Mass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 12:22 PM
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6. I was talking about Democratic leadership. I know that the GOP can lead. I dont like where it leads.
Edited on Thu Jan-21-10 12:23 PM by Mass
Obviously, you like the total meltdown in the Senate and House about agendas like heathcare and climate change.
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-21-10 01:58 PM
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7. Can we get a party who doesn't stab itself in the back every time
Edited on Thu Jan-21-10 02:00 PM by Phx_Dem
our centrist and liberal members have to compromise in order to get something passed?

Who could lead these self-destructive morons? Bill Clinton certainly didn't have any better luck doing so (except when it came to repealing financial regulations and passing DADT and NAFTA).
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