1994 Health Care Failure Redux!!!

[Teaser]

At least I get to relive my college years again. Awesome.

Also, I now believe, without a shadow of a doubt, that Democrats can't govern. What a collection of losers.

[villager]

1. Democrats are afraid of governing. At least, governing on the platforms that get 'em elected

Our homegrown Brownshirts, however, are not.

[Phx_Dem]

2. And once again, it's all because of Democrats in Congress.

Thanks guys. You never fail to dissapoint.

[Jennicut]

3. I am reliving my college years again too. 1994 was my freshman year of college.

Stupid Dems cannot get it together.

[Teaser]

4. If these fuckers don't want to govern

then I don't care if they win or lose. Why shouldn't I be conservative? I make good money, have a great job. I'VE FUCKING GOT MINE. So I send money to a political party that promises to help the little guy, the less fortunate. And they give up, they roll over like a fucking beaten puppy.

I hate these assclowns, I really do.

If it wasn't for the fact that I'm legitimately frightened for the future of the planet because of things like global warming, I would just fucking give up any political action altogether.

fucktarded fuckstick democrat morons.

[Jennicut]

9. They acted like beaten puppies before they even tackled health care.

Nope, can't do that. Nope, can't go there. Pathetic. Every idea is pathetic. Change the freakin filibuster rules already and pass a freakin bill. Act like you have a majority, Dems. Sad thing is, with the conservadems and Lieberman, we really never had a majority.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

11. "Why shouldn't I be conservative?"

Liberalism takes eyes, brains, heart, spine and guts.

Don't be half a man.

:hug:

[Teaser]

12. Oh I'll stay liberal

doesn't mean I'm gonna vote for any fucko who tells me he is liberal too.

[Connie_Corleone]

5. So the Democrats in the House would rather see HCR die?

Kill the bill instead of passing a bill and fixing some of it later thru reconciliation in the Senate.

What is so fucking hard about that?

Instead, we have liberal Democrats saying they won't vote for the Senate bill. Sure, it's not the best bill, but it does have some good in it.

Nope. Let's just kill it and let health care get worse in this country for another 20 years.

Smart move, dumbasses. Yep. It's 1994 all over again. Some people never learn.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

6. This is worse than 1994

The case was much weaker in '94... not even a fraction of today's perception that health insurance problems are a crisis.

2010 shows that we cannot even pass HCR when the public supports it!

[AlinPA]

7. No congressional leadership = no health care reform.

[DuaneBidoux]

21. Obama hasn't led either. He has put NOTHING on the line for HCR.

[Egnever]

26. Except of course his presidency.

[ProgressOnTheMove]

8. It's just I've tried to stay as upbeat as possible about where things go from here. ..

Where there's life there's hope but I won't go there now. Our best option from here is changing hearts and minds as best we can still pressure on Congress members, whether right or left. As whatever we do democracy or a version of it needs our input, however difficult it gets. We have to be there all the way in some form. It's such a rock and a hard place, I have no idea what we do for the best from here, must be likewise for Democrats. They were left a situation almost unmanagable, it's made them anxious and here we are. There's still a chance things make a big u-turn by November and surely the GOP will have to get behind a jobs bill, I can only hope.

[Teaser]

10. I can't call my representative right now

because I don't want to be responsible for the stream of consciousness primal scream swearing that results.

[ProgressOnTheMove]

13. That's a fair point, wiser to leave it alone a this point. They'd have lots of ...

folks feeling similar at the moment. All I'm saying is as tough as things get we have to stay in the game in some form, however they choose to do that. As frustrating as it is we abaondon ship the ship goes down. This is the time to run independents really, that have tea in their campaigns name. It's just it might be green tea, if we can at least use this opening of an independent movement maybe it can work for us. I'm just trying to think of everything. The main story is we're not out of power yet and wherever we can still make the difference, we can only try to help things along.

[WI_DEM]

14. Not hardly, Clinton never got it as far as Obama has passed both houses now in reconciliation.

[Teaser]

16. dead is dead

and it don't matter where you die. you're still dead.

Convince me they haven't killed this bill.

[WI_DEM]

17. I prefer to wait and see and not jump conclusions.

[Teaser]

19. what is the time window on your waiting?

mine closed.

[treestar]

15. If that's what matters to you most become a Republican

They are tough. They kick ass. They have balls. Look how they tried to subvert the system.

They expect you to be tough, too. No help from the government.

But at least they're tough.

[Teaser]

18. thank you for your considered input.

if that's all that mattered to me, I would be a Republican.

That said, it is some of what matters to me. But it does not appear to matter to my elected representatives much.

[treestar]

22. If you really want Obama to be tough, the only thing he could do

is veto the bill because it does not have a public option.

would you really be praising him for that? Admitting he had "balls?"

[Teaser]

23. What I wanted from Obama was evidence of a Plan B

the chaos right now is evidence that there was none. On that, he FAILED.

And I am a strong supporter of the man. My main gripe now is with the House of Representatives. They are the shambling mounds of failure for the moment.

[treestar]

24. But if he had a plan B would that mean he had balls?

and courage and all that stuff?

[Teaser]

25. only if he deployed it.

.

[DuaneBidoux]

20. Healthcare is dead. And it is going to be a bloody November for Democrats.