FUCK THIS SHIT!

[FrenchieCat]

What's the difference between Democrats or Republicans.....?

Supreme Court Judges who voted to give free hand to big corporation to purchase
the next elections, since they can't do anymore Bush vs. Gores are:

Justice Alito (nominated by Bush)
Justice Roberts (nominated by Bush)
Justice Thomas (nominated by Bush)
Justice Scalia (nominated by Reagan)
Justice Kennedy (nominated by Reagan)



Supreme Court Justices who voted AGAINST giving free hand to big corporation to purchase
the next elections:

Justice Sotomayor (nominated by Obama)
Justice Ginsburg (nominated by Clinton)
Justice Breyer (nominated by Clinton)
Justine Stevens (nominated by Ford before partisanship started running amok)



Still on the court and voted "for" Bush vs. Gore

Justice Thomas (nominated by Bush)
Justice Scalia (nominated by Reagan)
Justice Kennedy (nominated by Reagan)



That is all.
In fact, that is it.

[FrenchieCat]

1. Can I get a kick or something?

:shrug:

[inthebrain]

3. A lot of those guys you mentioned were also put there by Democratic Party controlled Congresses

The real power is in the senate. A president just can't pick a judge and that's the end of it.

Both partied have a problem being to close to the wealthy elite. That's why we have this problem.

[busymom]

4. Exactly

[FrenchieCat]

7. Its starts with the nomination, and even you cannot deny this.

Once nominated, the news media takes over.
Congress goes with the wind.

The President is crucial.....and is where the buck starts, period.

[JI7]

exactly, this is why Republicans didn't try to stop Sotomayor

but according to these same people's logic, it would make Republicans liberal ????

[busymom]

19. well,

It does all start with the nomination process of course. And you are right that the republicans could have blocked sotomayor...and they chose not too. We could also have chosen to block certain candidates but we let them through for various reasons...Is it media driven? Maybe...but I don't give a crap what the republicans do. As democrats, we could work harder to make it much more difficult for some of those nominated to get through....much more difficult. We could be driving the train a little more but we don't.

We seem to be playing a game of tic tac toe where we are constantly in a stale-mate instead of taking a win. The republicans aren't that smart...so what's our problem? We are afraid...Politicians are afraid that the media will make them look bad, that their corporate sponsors will stop donating, that they won't be re-elected....Our party is afraid to stand up, take control! I think we need to grow a set to be perfectly honest.

[inthebrain]

26. Republicans really had no control of congress when Sotomayer was selected.

[inthebrain]

25. The president has to abide by congress

That's why he's not a monarch.

I'm not sure you can recess appoint a judge but even doing that they come up for review after a few years. We had a congress controlled by the Dems in the 80s and they let these guys waltz on through. Of course they know the Bush's and the Reagan's of the world are gonna select assholes. It is congress job to make sure that doesn't happen. That is their job.

The Democratic Party controlled congress in the 80's did not do their job, PERIOD!!!!

[IndianaGreen]

31. There you go!

:kick:

[krawhitham]

42. Thank you Captain Obvious

[Top Cat]

47. Kick

[Peacetrain]

2. K&R!!!!

[ShortnFiery]

5. That's all you have to keep us propped-up to vote for President Obama in 2012?

Hey, you don't have to worry because many of us will shag our asses to the polls and vote for President Obama in 2012.

However, it doesn't mean that we're going to bust our asses campaigning for HIM or give any of our hard earned money toward his campaign.

[Name removed]

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[Fire1]

28. I don't think the OP was about President Obama in 2012. In

fact, he was only mentioned ONCE in the OP and in parenthesis, at that.

[Splinter Cell]

6. K&R

And THANK YOU!!

[JI7]

9. people are still fucking stupid

and now they are blaming Dem congress on the justices appointed by republican presidents.

i guess republicans are liberal since they didn't filibuster Sotomayor

[FrenchieCat]

13. They are Grasping at straws.

They don't get it yet.
They think things are as they were.
Nothing one can do for them kind.

[rockymountaindem]

10. This is why for all my frustration with Obama and my antipathy about the Mass. race

I will still happily fill the bubble for Obama in 2012. We can't handle much more of these Republican judicial nominees. Of course, now that megacorporations will be buying the elections, I don't see how I matter that much in politics anymore, assuming I ever did.

[JI7]

12. Scalia isn't going to live forever

[FrenchieCat]

14. How old is that asshole?

[JI7]

15. mid 70s i believe, he also has weight issues and smokes

[totodeinhere]

44. But unfortunately he may well outlast Stevens and Ginsburg.

Scalia will almost certainly not even consider retirement until he sees if the GOP can recapture the White House in 2012. The next two openings will probably be the Stevens and the Ginsburg seats, and of course they both are liberals on the court. Stevens is as old as dirt and Ginsburg has a lot of health issues.

[jenmito]

11. K&R. That IS it!

But it won't matter to some here.

[Robeson]

16. I'll be honest. The most important reason for me in voting for Obama...

...in the primaries and general election, was that I felt we had to establish good will and intentions in international relations, and the dire need to fill the executive branch with a Democrat, i.e., Supreme Court nominations.

Everyone has their reasons, but those were mine. I actually think he's done pretty good on my two major concerns.

Like many others, however, I've been disappointed in his "skill" on the domestic front. I don't have a problem with the bank bail-outs, because the world economy was near collapse. But the lack of regulation towards those very institutions, was folly.

As for the healthcare thing, it's been a disaster. Whether it should have been passed or not, is up to debate. But the handling of it has been a political defeat. There's no way of spinning it any differently.

So I'll hang on to Obama, because he gets to appoint people to the Supreme Court - which as shown today is no small thing - and many in the world love him, which again, is no small thing. But like all - well I should say most - politicians on the domestic front, he's bought and sold.

[busymom]

22. I have to say

that I feel very similarly. I'm disappointed when it comes to healthcare and I wasn't really for the bail-outs though because of the regulation issue.

I think that the election of Obama did help the US regain some of her tarnished image internationally and that his performance has been helpful in that area!

[ProSense]

17. "Still on the court and voted 'for' Bush vs. Gore" Now on the court

John Roberts, who was involved in Florida 2000.

[Phx_Dem]

18. Damn straight, FrenchieCat.

:mad:

[Cha]

20. Yeah, that's it and

President Obama is the right President right now..I don't care who can't see that.

The Judges are for life and whoever the President is gets to nominate them.

And, now the corporatations get to pour in as much money as possible into elections? Why do you think the sneaky asshole judges did that?

[FrenchieCat]

21. Yep. Those Conservative activist asshole judges did it because

they saw the people giving and making a difference,
and we couldn't have that.

[Cha]

27. This should really be a cause celebre..

Is there anyway to get this changed except getting another judge to replace one the assholes who did this?

[Marsala]

32. Constitutional amendment

Good luck ever getting that passed.

[rufus dog]

23. K&R

and I haven't seen any posts today stating no difference between bush and Obama.

[FrenchieCat]

30. Here.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=141764&mesg_id=141810

[Cha]

36. They're too stupid to

even vote.

[treestar]

24. Amen!

Stupid posters saying that.

[Cha]

29. Kick.

[Bullet1987]

33. I don't blame Obama for the SCOTUS decision

I just think it's more proof that the system in compromised...maybe even beyond repair.

[Cha]

35. That's nice.

[FrenchieCat]

37. Why should you?

[AspenRose]

34. *sigh*

That's all I can offer.

Kick :kick:

[ruggerson]

38. Don't have to tell me. It's why I voted for Obama.

If Sotomayor, however, does not turn out to be a reliable vote on social issues, however, I believe all Hell will break loose.

[FrenchieCat]

39. The unknown with her was always "Business/Corporate issues".....

and she showed us her hand today.

[bvar22]

You can thank the "Centrist Democrats" for Roberts and Alito.

The Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party tried to block their appointment.

The "Centrist" (DLC) Democrats crossed the aisle and worked with their ideological twins in the Republican Party to give them their seats.

Google "Gang of 14".

"When given the choice between a Republican, and a Democrat who acts like a Republican, the voters will choose the Republican every time." ---Harry Truman

QED

[FrenchieCat]

41. Well.....

Nominated by George W. Bush on On July 19, 2005



On September 22 the Senate Judiciary Committee approved Roberts's nomination by a vote of 13 to 5, with Senators Ted Kennedy, Richard Durbin, Charles Schumer, Joe Biden and Dianne Feinstein casting the dissenting votes.

Roberts was confirmed by the full Senate on September 29 by a margin of 78-22.

All Republicans and the lone Independent voted for Roberts; the Democrats split evenly, 22 for and 22 against. Roberts was confirmed by what was, historically, a narrow margin for a Supreme Court Justice.


Senate roll call:

All Republicans, included then Republican Spector voted YES,
along with Independent Jeffords (VT)

Democrats voting Yes:

Baucus (MT)

Bingaman (NM)

Byrd (WV)

Conrad (ND)

Dodd (CT)

Dorgan (ND)

Feingold (WI)

Johnson (SD)

Kohl (WI)

Landrieu (LA)

Leahy (VT)

Levin (MI)

Lieberman (CT)

Lincoln (AR)

Murray (WA)

Nelson, Ben (NE)

Nelson, Bill (FL)

Pryor (AR)

Rockefeller (WV)

Salazar (CO)

Wyden (OR)

NO votes:

Akaka (HI)

Bayh (IN)

Biden (DE)

Boxer (CA)

Cantwell (WA)

Clinton (NY)

Corzine (NJ)

Dayton (MN)

Durbin (IL)

Feinstein (CA)

Harkin (IA)

Inouye (HI)

Kennedy (MA)

Kerry (MA)

Lautenberg (NJ)

Mikulski (MD)

Obama (IL)

Reed, J. (RI)

Reid, H. (NV)

Sarbanes (MD)

Schumer (NY)

Stabenow (MI)

http://www.c-span.org/congress/roberts_senate.asp

Reid: Roberts 'didn't tell us the truth'

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Friday that John Roberts misled the Senate during his confirmation hearings by pretending to be a moderate — and that the United States is now “stuck” with him as chief justice.


“Roberts didn’t tell us the truth. At least Alito told us who he was,” Reid said, referring to Samuel Alito, the second Supreme Court justice nominated by President George W. Bush. “But we’re stuck with those two young men, and we’ll try to change by having some moderates in the federal courts system as time goes on — I think that will happen.”


Reid’s comments, which came during a wide-ranging discussion hosted by the Christian Science Monitor, reflect Democratic concerns that Roberts presented himself as a neutral arbiter of the law but has wielded a relentlessly conservative agenda. Republicans reject the attacks, saying Roberts has been a fair judge and has been consistent in his opinions.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0309/20560.html

[bvar22]

43. Did you fail to discover the "Centrists" breaking the Democratic Filibuster?

Oh, you DID see that, but didn't think it was important enough to include it.
If the "Centrists" hadn't crossed the aisle to work WITH the Republicans (again), no Roberts and NO Alito.

And that pathetic whining from Harry Reid....LOL.
What a pant load from Reid.
"But...but...but we didn't know he was a Conservative. He LIED to us. Waaaa." is another damned LIE from another damned "Centrist/Moderate".

The Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party KNEW what Roberts was, and TOLD the "Centrists" (including Reid) what Roberts was...and the "Centrists" didn't care.
The "Centrists/Moderates" did what they always do...Helped the Republicans.

Until the so called "Centrist" cancer is excised from the Democratic Party, expect more of the same,
because THAT is what the so called "Centrists" are PAID to do.


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[progressoid]

45. Hey, quit yer bitchin'.

We kept our powder dry didn't we? :crazy:

:banghead:

[FrenchieCat]

46. Actually, you didn't.

You were peeing all over the place.

[TexasObserver]

40. Recommend

[slipslidingaway]

48. "Why? Because Dem presidents and party powerful let BushInc off the hook EVERY TIME they're exposed

and at their most vulnerable. EVERY TIME the majority of the country loses trust in the Bushes, a few powerful Dems step up to protect the secrecy and privilege of the Bushes and their cronies. Some Dems even work to REHABILITATE the disgraced Bushes in the eyes of the American people. That allows them to retreat and plot their way back to power.

Imagine the difference of the last three special elections if hearings into Bush-Cheney's illegal operations had been ongoing over the past year. You think Republicans would be anxious to show their faces in public for rubberstamping and abetting those criminals?

Hell, imagine the difference in this world if the outstanding matters in BCCI and CIA drugrunning were fully vetted for the American people in the 90s.

No Bush2 would have been possible..."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=7524487&mesg_id=7524487


And people should be asking about this as well, but we'll just blame the Republicans instead of looking at what OUR PARTY has done.

[slipslidingaway]

49. ^^^^^^ "No Bush2 would have been possible..." ^^^^^^ n/t

[ProgressOnTheMove]

50. It doesn't get clearer than that the rest is a form of democratic process where even...

the psycho party have to have at least some say. I'm sure Pres. Obama would love to tell them to go to hell in some ways, but he is President to them too and that's our main obstacle. Best that can be done is to drag the center way over here on the left. Sotomayor and Clinton's appointees tell me Obama and Clinton on a basic level were always with the people, it's just without the support on our side and on the other side they can't always give us what we want that simple really. They could of put any Justice Roberts type up there, and they never did because they ARE real Democratic members working in an ominous political landscape.

[windbreeze]

51. SC response to Obama controlling Lobbyists?

Seems auspicious to me....Time for Americans to stand up and be counted, methinks...and time to impeach the SC...they didn't do enough damage in 2000, I guess....this is the crowning blow....wb

[CoffinEd]

52. Ha!

After reading your post, especially this part:

"That is all.
In fact, that is it."

It brought to mind this comment by Eugene Ionesco:

"It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question".

Thanks for the memories. B-)