Democrats would be better off "shoving down our throats" a 51-vote majority on Public Option HC

[NYC_SKP]

(Let's try this again; zulchzulu's thread from earlier today)

Let's look at the so-called "Independent" voter.

They are a concoction of Republicans too embarrassed to call themselves Republicans, a mix of a combination of people half-listening to the issue complexities along with Democrats who are more Libertarian than they'd admit.

They like handsome, camera-ready politicians who have gravitas, who are tough-talking and run along the lines of a neo-Huey Long populist that bark bumper-sticker power phrases that mean nothing but incur some perception of change.

If the Democrats pull back and wimp out on misunderstanding what the Massachusetts election meant, they look like chinless, soft-handed wankers who would rather want to keep their jobs and sell out instead of standing on a soapbox in the town square and chest-beat the words the "people" want in full-throated fashion.

Granted, it's a Frank Capra-styled Kabuki theater branded framefest that has to orchestrated and calculated in the power zones for ultimate effect.

So, if the Democrats decided to just pass the Senate version of the healthcare bill and tag the Public Option as part of it and go for a 51 vote majority, there would be the usual suspects who would say it was forced down people's throats.

What the fuck would these same people say of nothing passed?

They would say that the Democrats failed to pass the legislation. They would say that the Obama administration is over. They would use that to try to tell the Independent voter in 2010 and 2012 that the Democrats are ineffective.

So fuck 'em.

Shove the damn stuff down their throats and DO THE CORRECT THING that history will say was a studly move. The Senate and Congress in 2010 could come across as LEADERS working FOR THE FUTURE, not limp-wristed phonies who would rather bend to the whims of the corporate power.



Last I checked, David pretty much looks cooler in the battle with Goliath from a battle standpoint. Imagine if David called his mom and listened to her when she said Goliath is too big to fight.

As for the perception of Independents and their votes in 2010, they would obviously vote for David. For them, Goliath is an asshole.

NOTE: (note deleted :P)



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[Cronus Protagonist]

1. Proud to add the first recommend to this great post

+1

[NYC_SKP]

3. Credit to awesome, if sometimes indelicate, DUer zulchzulu!

:P

Same for the image below:

[zulchzulu]

7. LOL! n/t

[depakid]

2. That would require courage and political fortitude

and it ought to have been done as soon as the administration and congressional leaders got wind of what Baucus, et al. were doing with the Senate Finance committee.

[cliffordu]

4. Kicketty, kicketty kick.

[NYC_SKP]

6. I pity the fool...

What up?

[cliffordu]

9. Well.....

Hurt my back. So I've been sleeping in a chair for two weeks. Kinda fucked up.


And my attitude is worse than normal, If that's possible.

Specially about some of the complete dickheads running lose in GD and GDP.

So I'm chillin'.

You??

[NYC_SKP]

10. Awwww...

Sorry to hear bout the back.

I have a hurt back history but no trouble until last month when putting in a jacuzzi tub.

Interestingly, the tub that hurt it made it feel better, so it's all good.

I'm putting up down here with weather more appropriate for your neck of the continental woods.

To wit: weeks of rain with only two days of partial sun.

Otherwise, just chillin' like you.

:donut:

[leveymg]

5. Reconciliation won't be the Senate Bill with "the public option tacked on"

There are a number of aspects of the Senate HCR Bill that are unacceptable to a large number of House Democrats. The "Cadillac tax" will have to go. Senator Dorgan's Rx drug re-importation will likely be restored, as will a lifting of the anti-trust exemption. In combination with the Kennedy Medicare for All provision, the Dems will have a Bill that they can take to the voters and win with in November. If they fail to deliver a decent Bill, they'll get punished.

Reconciliation, by the way, brings the Senate Bill in conformity with the House version, not the other way around. The House will not pass the Senate version - which is nothing more than an insurance industry bail-out -- that would be the ultimate disaster, politically worse for the Democrats than no Bill at all.

[NYC_SKP]

8. Thanks for the clarification, and I hope all that you suggest may happen will happen. n/t