Does anyone think, the president will finally fight for a PO?

[saracat]

After the summit and the GOP reaction, which was predicted, but thought necessary to show the populace where the GOP stands, the president seemed to express frustration. Does anyone think he might be giving up on bipartisanship despite what he says? Does anyone think there is a possibility that he might re institute those liberal provisions that were inserted to placate the gop , now that it is obvious they will not even support their own ideas?

Candy Crowley did a piece this weekend that focused on the camera that was used only on the president and his reactions during the summit and his frustration was evident.

Does anyone retain any hope that some of this was just political theater and that there is a possibility we might get a good bill after all? I don't consider the Senate Bill any version of good and hope for an intervention. Anyone think there is hope?

[AngryAmish]

1. no

[muffin1]

2. Sadly, no. n/t

[maxsolomon]

3. not a chance in hell this time

maybe in 2015.

[GreenTea]

4. NO! If 50 Dem senators sign the letter for a Public Option, then maybe, remember....

DLC corporate assholes like Rahm Emanuel are advising the president, Rahm couldn't care less....

But having 50 senators sign, that would be powerful, still, there would only be about a 50-50 chance that Obama would push for the "PO".

Sad.

WE want and need a Public Option at the very least!

From 62% to 68% of the American people (depending on the poll) want a Public Option all across this nation.

How many senators have signed so far - 31 ?

[brand404]

77. Didnt they claim they had 50+ for Medicare-55 (when there was talk they needed 60)?

Lieberman was the one holding out and the issue was dropped...so now they cant even get 50 for a PO...wtf?!?!
This is very shady...this tells me democrats are just looking for excuses to BE Repubz.

[DrDan]

5. nope

[zipplewrath]

6. Fight? No

Not no drama Obama. Man doesn't seem to have an ounce of fight in 'em. Middle of the road, don't ruffle feathers, criticism is "retarded", that's his idea. Get it passed and he'll sign it, but he won't lift a finger to "get 'er done".

[Moondog]

7. Fight? Obama? Surely you jest. n/t

[Hell Hath No Fury]

8. No.

Sadly. :(

[DesertFlower]

9. unfortunately, no.

[cornermouse]

10. No.

Seen too much that indicates otherwise.

[blindpig]

11. No

k&r

[DebbieCDC]

12. No -- Obama only fights for Wall St, Big Pharma and Big Insurance

[bvar22]

81. ...And BIG WAR!

*

[tencats]

13. No

No hope with this president.

[Captain Hilts]

14. No. nt

[hulka38]

15. No way.

[Spheric]

16. I'm not holding my breath. But, a nice surprise would be...

...well, a nice surprise.

It might even rekindle a bit of that hope he nurtured and then destroyed.

[Ishoutandscream2]

17. Sadly, no

[leveymg]

18. I don't believe he plays 8-Dimensional Chess, anymore.

In fact, he hasn't even played his hand in normal, old, political poker very well, so far.

He's a talented meeting chairman, though.

[brand404]

19. No Chance -- It's time like these where i am GLAD to be CANADIAN!

[Peace_Sells]

20. No.

But the PO was watered down any ways so it doesn't matter that much to me. However this bill would still do a lot of good reforming insurance companies.

[Dinger]

21. No, Sadly (nt)

[joeybee12]

22. Of course not, fighting for something means you want that something...

...he certainly doesn't want it and get his insurance pals upset.

[saracat]

23. it is really sad that a question can't even be ASKED on DU without being unrecced.

Is discussion discouraged? I am asking is there is reason to hope and instead of responding someone unreccs?

[QC]

24. No, the Republicans wouldn't like it. n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

25. Nope

[Romulox]

26. Yep, but only after he gets done renegotiating NAFTA and stopping DEA raids on dispensaries!

:shrug:

[donco6]

27. I want some of what you're smoking.

Cuz there ain't a chance in hell of that happening.

[saracat]

29. The question needs to be asked.

[donco6]

30. Yeah, I know.

And I wish I thought differently - but I truly, honestly don't. All dumbass sarcasm aside.

[David Zephyr]

28. He's already fought against it.

So, he's certainly not going to fight for it.

[inna]

33. My thoughts exactly. nt

[VMI Dem]

31. Hell no.

[bigwillq]

32. No (nt)

[Jennicut]

34. No.

There are some Senators who don't want to vote for it (it is not really 50 that we have, don't kid yourselves) and Obama won't fight for it unless it landed in his lap.

[themaguffin]

35. No. I don't see what additional opportunity he would be waiting for at this point

[saracat]

36. Interesting there have been many unreccs but absolutely no responses indicating

that the President will fight for Senate Bill which will either contain a PO or be improved in any way, even if we go to reconciliation.Can anyone answer why they think this is? We have proved the bipartisanship doesn't exist and the blue dogs need to be brought to heel, and it appears the president is frustrated.Why wouldn't something be done?

[grahamhgreen]

37. He will have to or he will be a one term wonder. nt

[asdjrocky]

38. Nope.

[Perky]

39. Nope

[Jakes Progress]

40. Look at us.

Praying for a PO. Begging for a stinking PO. Remember when the PO was the sorry compromise that the administration was going to do instead of single payer. Now we are begging for the sorry compromise. We have been had. Corporate deals were worked out long before this started.

What a waste all that effort that so many tens of thousands expended during the election.

[harun]

49. How true. PO itself is crap, it only opens up the door for real reform years down

the road. It is in my opinion the smallest thing you could do to actually call it reform. Without it I think the dem's will get clobbered in the next election. People are going to see a mandate that makes them buy crappy for-profit insurance, where they still deny payment on procedures. Without any option of buying something that they can stick with if unemployed or too sick to work.

BS!

[depakid]

41. I'd go further than that and ask: is there ANYTHING progressive and contentious they will fight for?

[LoKnLoD]

42. What is the temp in Hell?

Still hot, no freezing over? Then I would say no.

[Nikki Stone1]

43. K & R

K

[w4rma]

44. Not with Rahm and his brother in charge. (nt)

[boppers]

45. Those who refuse to acknowledge successes will continue to do so.

[saracat]

56. What has that to do with the OP? Can you answer? Do you think the Pres

will either fight for the PO, or do you think he will fight for other liberal ideas to be reinstated in the Senate Bill. If you think he will, why do you think so? If you think he won't why not?

[boppers]

58. The OP has a false premise.

Flogging of false premises will continue.

Obama will continue to work towards the PO, as he has done the entire time, and people opposed to the president will continue to claim he hasn't lifted a finger.

[saracat]

60. Thank you for your response. Do you think the president will work

toward changing the Senate Bill to include liberal provisions? I did notpresent a false premise.I asked a question. I could argue that your "premise" is equally false but I am glad you responded. However, you do not offer any reasons to assume the president will work toward changing the Senate bill. Do you not think he will?

[boppers]

68. False premise: "finally fight"

Do you think he will stop beating his wife?

[saracat]

76. So , you can't answer the question? Or won't.

[boppers]

84. He will not stop beating his wife, or fight for OP.

Are we done here?

[saracat]

96. You are.Okay. no answer.

[harun]

46. no

[IndianaGreen]

47. Obama is having an affair with PhRMA and Big Insurance

He has no time for the American working class.

[amborin]

48. No; and worse yet, it has to be a 'robust' P.O. or it's worthless

[Jakes Progress]

51. Yeah. Remember back in the summer

when the DU boards were filled with discussion about how good a PO had to be if we would allow ourselves to settle. The faithful were arguing that the president would make sure that it was strong, that it would be better than single payer. Now it is all thrown away. Now even a stupid, badly written bill with something even remotely called a PO isn't possible. The stupid bill will pass and Rahm will call for a celebration for our victory.

[saracat]

57. Where are those posters now????????

[amborin]

61. which? progressives? i think they're mostly all

gone

[polichick]

50. Only if pigs are flying. :)

[warm regards]

52. No way

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[emilyg]

54. nyet

[ChimpersMcSmirkers]

55. I think we should be more focused on the Medicare at 55 idea.

I think that it gets us to single payer sooner and it would be really popular.

[LatteLibertine]

59. Nope

They don't want to possibly lower medicare reimbursement rates currently enjoyed.

[freddie mertz]

62. Not a chance. Whole thing was a boondoggle.

No one can believe he will ever fight for it now.

[havocmom]

65. Mr Mertz, I fear you are correct

and hope we are both pleasantly surprised. But I won't hold my asthmatic breath.

[freddie mertz]

88. I ardently share your desire to be wrong on this. nt.

[Hansel]

63. No. nt

[Jamastiene]

64. The sooner he realizes he has to be firm with the Repubs, the better.

You can't negotiate with people who refuse to negotiate. The sooner he learns that, the better.

[Robeson]

66. No.

[laughingliberal]

67. It doesn't appear he will. As of today reports are he will be advocating for some Republican ideas

in the bill. As if it does not have enough Republican ideas, already.

[brand404]

71. The bill seems crafted by Repubs and out of pitty included a tiny watered-down sliver for dems.

[tekisui]

69. Why would I think that?

[GinaMaria]

70. No. We aren't getting anything near what we hoped for

They will pass this mess and there's not much anyone can do about it. They aren't listening.

[Faryn Balyncd]

Our only hope is to defeat this piece of crap mandate.

[brand404]

72. Good-bye Majority -- And honestly it wont make a difference WHEN Repubs take charge.

[newspeak]

94. maybe the repukes will get a majority, since some people have a very, very

short memory. But, I will never vote for a repuke--especially after * destroyed this country--lied us into war, shite on the constitution, gave away the treasury to his (as he called it, "his base"). Everyone of those damned sociopathic greedy corporate whores can takes a train to hades.

I'm for taking back our party. Any democrat or independent, like Bernie Sanders, who represent the majority of Americans, I'll gladly vote for. If the American people think by voting for those same greedheads who for eight years raped and pillaged and lied--if they think the truly corrupted deserve to be in office, then the clueless voters deserve exactly what they get. I am just tired of seeing Washington playing their greedy political games and apparently listening to corporate lobbyists over our best interests. We're drowning while they're posturing.

And, no, I don't think we'll get a PO. Just call it the Insurance Industry Reform bill.

[brand404]

73. Lesson for all you kiddys who want to be President: Actually Do what you campaigned on..

otherwise dont be surprised when the peasants stay home disenchanted.

[brand404]

74. Gawdamn Miracle if he gets re-elected. I doubt 98% of DU will contrib to his campaign.

[Skittles]

75. fuck no

fact is, he never really wanted it - it was just a bone he liked to toss

[waiting for hope]

78. No.

It's more than political theater, it's Kabuki theater. The only thing missing is the corporate sponsorship decals on the masks.

K&R

[applegrove]

79. That would be audatious. I mean with the GOP refusing to do anything in

a bipartisan fashion except start from a blank sheet of paper...it would truly be poetry if obama put the public option back in. Plus it would keep down the costs of HCR.

[gravity]

80. There is zero room for a public option now

The Democrats are barely hanging onto the current bill as is.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

82. Ain't gonna happen. Deals were struck and we're stuck!

and ... IT FUCKIN SUCKS!

[flyarm]

83. No , there never was any intention to have a PO or medicare for all or for 55+ or single payer

we were sold out before the inauguration speech was over! The deals were a done deal

There never was a chess game..the only people who were gamed were those that believed in hope and change from this con artist!

[AzDar]

85. He doesn't seem to want to "fight" for anything.

[Vinca]

86. No. If anything I expect something to pass with tort reform,

selling across state lines and health savings accounts. Kumbayah.

[Puglover]

87. Nope

I hope I'm wrong.

[PassingFair]

89. He MIGHT fight for something CALLED a P.O.

...but it won't be a P.O. in any
recognized sense of the phrase.

[Ganja Ninja]

90. I doubt it. Why start now?

I think they would rather let it fail then blame it on the liberal left.

It's always the left's fault we're just too radical. :eyes: :hangover:

[Beacool]

91. Not a chance.

:shrug:

[jschurchin]

92. No. n/t

[DisgustedInMN]

93. Nope, not a chance.

Barack Obama sold us out, early on. He will pay a huge price for doing so. As of November, he will be a lame duck for the balance of his one term, and he will go down in history as one of the least effective Presidents of all time. He had perhaps the best opportunity to make a real difference in the lives of working Americans, but chose instead to become the corporations prostitute.

[Yuugal]

95. +1

[readmoreoften]

97. No. I wish our system allowed us to recall politicians.