PUBLIC OPTION :: Did I Miss It? What's The Argument Against the PO?

[quantass]

So no Single Payer because "it is not a uniquely American solution". :) <insert: laughter by all other industrialized nations>
No Public Option because ??
The SOLUTION: Mandates and a corruptible oversight board who will hopefully regulate prices. Huh?

Remind me again the argument against the Public Option especially in this new phase of no bipartisanship?

*** AGAIN, WHat is the ARGUMENT AGAINST the PO. I know the senate does not have the votes but what is the actual REASON for the lack of votes. How are senators JUSTIFYING there stance against the PO besides the deflection statement "We dont have the votes" ***

[Captain Hilts]

1. The folks at AHIP told the President they don't want the competition. nt

[quantass]

4. Then i wish the POTUS would be HONEST with the People -- "I'm not accountable to you but InsurCorps"

[Captain Hilts]

8. In his speech last summer he said "Health Ins. companies provide a valuable service." As someone

who had military and then Canadian insurance, I didn't need an insurance company between me and my doctor.

[tranche]

2. the Senate

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. There aren't enough votes to pass it.

Even with a major of dems, there are enough dems who are against it that it can't hope to pass.

I can't see how this isn't obvious to anybody who's made an effort to pay attention.

[quantass]

5. YOU'RE NOT READING....**WHY** + **WHAT IS THE (ARGUMENT) AGAINST" the PO

Yes there arent the votes but what is the excuse senators are using in front of the camera for not voting for it. THAT IS what i want to know not just more MSM talking point. GEEEEZ

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. Because there aren't enough votes.

Why are conservative dems not supporting the public option? Because they're conservative. They're from red states. And they want to get reelected by people who believe that the PO involves socialism and death panels.

[Enthusiast]

12. But even in some red states

a majority want the public option. Now, tell us the real reason.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Alright, Enthusiast, what do you think the real reason is?

Why is it that there aren't enough dems that support the public option?

[Enthusiast]

19. Because they owe

the insurance industry for hefty campaign donations. They want a war chest for the next election. I hope they end up like Blanch Lincoln.

[denimgirly]

6. Simple: Insurers don't want it and HENCE the Lord has Spoken.

USA ... USA ... USA!

[librechik]

9. Our Republican or Conservadem Friends are allergic to it.Po folks like it

so they have to take the high moral ground and insist citizens pay their own way. Even if they die doing it.

Even if a for-profit health system is a shameful immoral crime in EVERY OTHER CIVILIZED NATION. Because they can't change. Ever.

[DrDan]

10. simple - cuts into profits. . . .

[harun]

11. The for-profit insurers don't want the competition. There is no other reason against it.

[denimgirly]

14. Although they CANT come out and say it -- The REASON is MONEY (for corrupt politicians and Insurers)

It's all about money....They cant come out and blatantly say this on camera because there really is no excuse against it so the only thing they can say in front of the camera is "Not enough votes" (which is BS since if you recall they had over 50 for Medicare-55 at one point when they claimed they needed 60 so had to scrap it).

Facts show that the politicans who raise the most money get relected..the number is like 80%+ .. and so one of the big incentives is to raise as much money as possible and the best way is to sell their vote to lobbyists. And that happens ALOT. About 70% of democrats and 100%+ of republicans sell their vote routinely.

So the "Argument against the PO" is really just ANYTHING that is in the current meme for them all. So right now it is not enough votes, and then cycling backwards it was death panels, socialism, government takeover, rationing care, need for bipartisanship bill -- and these are all talking points made by BOTH parties.

In the end, it is the people that want the PO but NOT the democrats (or republicans). Obama never wanted it. Democrats love having republicans around because it allows them to also use them as the excuse for not having it -- which is why they keep pushing for bipartisanship with them knowing full well they wont get it (this is once again playing out in the Finance Reform talks with Dodd selling his vote prior to retirement to water-down and even remove the Protection Agency but using the guise of needing republican votes so he needs to change and water it down).

At the core of the issue is Campaign Finance Reform. Until this happens ... daily excuses will keep popping up because in hte end there is NO GENUINE genuine argument against except the NEED to find an excuse to be against it.

[HughMoran]

15. -quant

:shrug:

[denimgirly]

16. Without saying the daily spit of "not enough votes".....

Despite ALL polls on both democrats and republcans showing wide strong support for a comprehensive Public Option and now going it alone as a party to craft a healthcare bill the democrats are finally exposed. Before they could rely on using republicans for being able to water down or remove things that hurt the industry but now they cant do that. It is clear by their not removing many of the damaging giveaways they did to the republicans. IN a nutshell democrats, although they dont come out and admit it, are just as corrupt as republicans in selling their vote to corporations. I find that worst than republicans because democrats lie to your face.

So the real reason isn't important to them...the underlying core of their motivations is $MONEY and LOTS of it. If they can give a consistent excuse to the MSM the media will lap it up and NEVER question it and once it is out there the public will be sedated into accepting it thus mitigating the issue for democrats.

I mean seriously, they are going to use reconciliation and so have no reason to not include the PO but they dont. So for them they know the PO is the only way to control costs and save money for the people (outside the Single Payer system). and so they need an excuse to not include it because they cant say republicans now....and hence the "not enough votes" crocodile tears comes in....there is nothing else.

You cant say the public doesnt want it, you cant say it wont save money or cause competition...there is nothing you can say bad against it except for the very idea that it came into common speak out of nowhere muddying the water for democrats to better sell their votes last fall.

[Jakes Progress]

17. Those here who are avoiding your question

by discussing the politics of the issue don't know the answer. They know why they are against the PO, but they cant very well say it. They are against it because the president isn't supporting it. If he were to be fighting for a PO they would be clogging the boards with support for a PO. For them, life is very simple.

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[LatteLibertine]

20. I believe it vanished

due to wanting to keep medicare reimbursement rates high.

The White House isn't going to support it due to struck deals. Democrats can still push one through if they choose to do so. President Obama won't resist a bill containing it.

[Oregone]

21. What the fuck is it?

How can you argue against or for some bait and switch carrot that doesn't even exist? Its not even defined. There isn't a single line drawn in the sand. Its an empty rallying cry for some ambiguous entity that is supposed to save everyone. Its shiny dressing to sell mandated & subsidized insurance on everyone. Its a public distraction to make everyone forget about single payer. But really, what the fuck is it?