Another apparent stunning reversal by Obama

[COLGATE4]

NPR is reporting that it is virtually certain that Obama has changed his mind and has now decided that the masterminds of 9/11 will now be tried in military tribunals rather than in civilian criminal court. This, after trumpeting to the world that the decision had been taken to try them in civilian court and show our justice system to the world. It appears that Rahm Emmanuel has had his way once again and, worse yet, gives the distinct impression that Obama has caved in (once again) to the Rethugs. Cheney, Malkin, and their ilk will be trumpeting this to the high heavens, at the same time of course beating up on Obama for wanting to do it the other way. Just one more disappointment from a President who seems to have less backbone than we had believed.

[villager]

1. In order to have "less" backbone, don't you need to initially display*some*?

n/t

[TankLV]

32. That would be my first thought as well...

The "spineless" desease is aparently virulent among dems - started in the congress and obama got if from his short time there...

It's like a wasting desease - makes the host unable to make a decision or have genuine PRINCIPLES...

But the last thing to go is their speach making ability - aparently...

[Beetwasher]

2. Oh For Fucks Sake, They Said No Such Thing, Or If They Did They're Full Of Shit

It is being REPORTED that "some" of his advisors (unnamed of course) may recommend military tribunals. No decision has been made.

Let's get our fucking facts straight, shall we? Virtually certain my fucking ass.

But don't let that interfere with a perfectly good piss parade.

And for the record, I'm for trying them in a civilian court and if Obama goes with military tribunals, I will be very dissapointed in that decision. But I won't stop supporting him over that ONE decision, because I'm not a single issue fucking moron and I realize things are not as black and white, cut and dry as many people make them out to be.

[Political Heretic]

6. You know, people always say this, then two days later the original report is completely confirmed.

You'd think you'd stop getting played after a while.

[Beetwasher]

8. I Could Say The Same Thing About The Opposite

Time after time after time some bullshit outrage gets pushed by an unnamed source and reported and people go into a tizzy over it, only to have it shown to be complete bullshit.

How about we see what Obama's decision is before we go into a tizzy? Sure, keep pressue on to do the right thing, but hold off on slamming until a fucking decison is actually made.

[Political Heretic]

18. You could, but it would be unsupported with concrete evidence.

[Beetwasher]

20. Bullshit

n/t

[Political Heretic]

21. Well argued.

:hi:

[Beetwasher]

22. You Get What You Give

Yours is so much better? :rofl:

[TankLV]

33. Yes - yes his is - yours isn't...

[Beetwasher]

35. Cuz You Say So!

:rofl:

[xultar]

16. +1

[JVS]

24. It's a delaying tactic for use until the administration's spin and justification come out.

[Cha]

29. Absofreakin'lutley!

[Cali_Democrat]

3. That looks to be the case

Link to article from WAPO:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/04/AR2010030405209.html

However, it just says that Obama's advisers will recommend this. We don't know if this will actually happen.

[Phx_Dem]

4. Get your facts right.

Nothing is definite yet, but it appears that the trial will HAVE to be moved to the military because Congress is refusing to give federal dollars for the trial.

What's he supposed to do, pay for it himself? Or maybe he could take up a fucking collection plate? Oh, I know . . he could use Malia and Sasha's allowance.

[Jennicut]

5. Bloomberg put up a big stink about the cost of the trial.

And Congress won't pay for it. So Obama essentially has to find a way to pay for it himself.

[Cali_Democrat]

11. You mean mayor Bloomberg?

What does he care? Isn't it a federal trial? Will NYC be paying the cost or something? :shrug:

[Jennicut]

12. He said NYC would have to spend a lot of money on extra security.

This is a case of "not in my backyard". Local officials in PA and VA said no also. http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/33965.html

[tallahasseedem]

7. Now now, don't be getting all rational...

;)

[MadHound]

36. No, a few members of Congress have threatened to try and block federal dollars

Not the entire Congress. Once again, rather than standing up and fighting, the Dems are going to cut and run.

[denimgirly]

9. At least Obama is Consistent -- Strength is not his strongest suit.

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[sharp_stick]

10. Stunning title thread

that means absolutely nothing from someone with a blocked user profile.

I personally give very little credibility to anyone that doesn't have the grapes to even enable a profile on an anonymous message board.

When the post is as inane as this it continues to validate that approach.

[Bobbie Jo]

26. +1000 nt

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[zulchzulu]

15. Should Obama fight Mayor Bloomberg, who doesn't want the trials there?

Like Obama needs to fight another battle with the pinheads...

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/28/nyregion/28bloomberg.html

[LiberalFighter]

17. I would suggest that if Bloomberg don't want the trial in NYC

then they should pull all of the federal courts out of NY.

[sabrina 1]

23. There were seven years of Terrorist trials in NYC

before Bloomberg decided to interfere with Federal authority. There was no problem despite the fact that one of those terrorists was the blind sheik, Rahman, a very popular figure in the global 'terror' community. Bloomberg is an idiot and should have no say in any of this.

As for Congress refusing to pay, why don't they refuse to pay for the wars that are CAUSING the terror attacks? And don't we have Democratic majority?

Response from Talk Left today:

Obama Advisors To Recommend 9/11 Military Tribumal Trials

The Washington Post reports President Obama's advisers are ready to kow-tow to Republicans and reverse course on the 9/11 defendants, recommending trials by military commissions instead of in federal criminal courts.

The recommendation follows Obama's advisers' negotiations with Republican Senator Lindsay Graham

Emphasis mine. If only Democrats were as powerful as single Republicans. For years, people on the left fought, including the ACLU against the infamous draconian bill, signed sadly by 12 Senate Democrats know as The Military Commissions Act. The bill that removed Habeas Corpus.

To see Democrats now proving that their support for that un-Constitutional bill was not an aberration at all, but just the other side of the War Party doing their job, is enlightening.

Has everyone forgotten the outrage over that already? How Gonzales told us that no one was guaranteed the right to Habeas Corpus?

Jeralyn's letter to President Obama has my full support. As she says, "Military Commission Trials are a betrayal of our Constitution". Yes they ARE!

She points out in her letter that this is 'governing like a Republican' and yes, it IS!

If, and since we don't know yet, I hope it is not true, but IF he caves on this very important principle, then we may as well have given George Bush four more years. It would be an outrage beyond what even those who most want to support him, could in all conscience support.

The ACLU has also expressed outrage over this possibility. But, I won't hold my breath. Obama has shown that he would prefer to deal with Progressive outrage, than with Republican outrage. But I am hoping still as this is so important to the foundation of this democracy.

[babylonsister]

41. That's a brilliant idea that will surely happen. nt

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[FrenchieCat]

25. You should be very afraid,

since you buy that "some advisors" to translate into a headline that states...."Obama has"
without question.

It means that you don't discern closely articles that support your anti-Obama view,
and if there are more of youse than those of us who read critically,
then yes, we will have a problem on our hands, because it means
that too many are buying into media's bullshit just because it reinforces
their own bullshit views.

[Jakes Progress]

39. Frenchie, do you support

reversing Holder's opinion and moving the trials to a military court?

Or do you support trying the group as Obama's Attny. Gen. has ordered?

Do you have an opinion? Or do you have to wait until you see what Obama does to decide what you believe?

[truedelphi]

27. Every day, a little bit more of the curtain surrounding the Kabuki theater of

Washington DC gets pulled away.

The Political Class could care less about Democracy, the citizens or anything relating to the ideals that this nation was founded on.

Shame for those who don't understand what we're up against.

It is not us against the Tea Baggers, or us against our Republican neighbors.

It is us against the Political Class, no matter what party they say they sprang from.

[gulliver]

28. I'm so stunned.

I'm stunned, flabbergasted, astonished. What a breathtaking, bombshell. What an incredible, historic turn of events. What a shocking reversal. What a...

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Journalists using the word "stunning." It's the new old.

[COLGATE4]

42. So does the ACLU (see their letter protesting this to the President 3/5)

to the President). To those of us who believe in the legal tradition of our nation, the apparent (and I stress again 'apparent') is in fact 'shocking'. We did not think that a President who, among other of his many attributes is a Professor of Constitutional Law would seemingly have so little courage of his convictions as to toss overboard the basic constitutional right we all have to a fair trial by a jury of our peers to appease Rethuglican throwback politicians and/or Mayor Bloomberg.

[otohara]

30. Because of Our Fucked-Up Media - I Say FINE

have the Cspan cameras down there - and that's it.

Yeah I know, I'm not supposed to agree with this decision, but these ass-wipes known as the MSM will create a circus and stir up the hate to insane levels.

[Generator]

31. Obama has the will of a wet noodle

Apparently this is all to appease Republicans, be a middle of the road compromiser, a pragmatist, and to secure the magical 2012 vote-his only reason for being apparently-(though I don't know WHY he wants to be president when he wants to change so little).

Like passing a nearly worthless compromised "health care reform" bill. Like escalating wars. STILL in Iraq. Still going to be there when 2016 is over, though he does take notes from Frank Lutz, "non combat troops aren't troops" doncha know.

Well, I think he's going to be surprised when he reads the history books.

He stood for nothing. What a legacy.

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[BeFree]

34. A trial?

We don't need no steenkin trial.

It is better that just sweep the whole 9/11 thing back under the rug and just forget it ever happened.

Discuss here in the 9/11 dungeon
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x282712

[LatteLibertine]

37. I'm with Jon Stewart

Try KSM in NY, execute his ass in the pit.

[grahamhgreen]

38. His tortured confession would have had to been thrown out. nt

[jesus_of_suburbia]

40. Didn't Pres Obama think of that before pushing for civilian trials?