Obama’s health care pitch to Dems: Trust me

[saracat]

I don't think so.. Sorry. Fresh out of "trust" at the moment. Way too much water under the bridge for me to "believe" anymore. FOCA, FISA, PO, the attack on teachers and Public Education, the coddling of anti-choice Dems. and now a request for a moritorium on DADT . Nope. Trust isn't something I give to politicians anymore unless it is earned.



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35749105/ns/politics-white_house/

Obama’s health care pitch to Dems: Trust me
President confronts party unrest on the left and right


.........Some answers, however, rely more on faith than fact. Confronting party unrest on his left and right, Obama is calling for political courage, citing historic opportunities and essentially saying "trust me" in areas inherently murky, uncertain and out of his control. The process for getting health care legislation through Congress is tough enough already, and Republicans are determined to derail it.

Obama told House liberals last week that he understands their frustration in seeing priorities — such as allowing the government to sell insurance in competition with private companies — dropped from the revised legislation. He promised to work with them in the future to improve health care laws, said Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., who leads the Congressional Black Caucus.

‘The first step’
"He said, 'This is the first step, a foundation that we can build upon,'" she said. "He made a commitment to work with us on all the issues that are outstanding, and there are many."

It's unclear whether Obama can keep such promises, especially with Republicans expecting to gain House and Senate seats this fall.

Obama is asking his party's House moderates to have a different kind of faith. The party's strategy calls for House Democrats, despite many misgivings, to go along with a health care bill the Senate passed in December. Obama would sign it into law, but senators would promise to make numerous changes demanded by House Democrats. Because Senate Democrats no longer have the numbers to stop GOP filibusters, the changes would have to be made under rules that require only simple majority votes.

Republicans are playing on House Democrats' suspicions of their Senate colleagues, saying Senate Democrats may not keep their end of the bargain. The taunts often hit their marks.

"A big issue for the House is putting suspenders with belts on the plan to ensure we don't get left holding the bag with just the Senate bill by itself," said Rep. Joe Courtney, D-Conn...................

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[DJ13]

2. 'This is the first step, a foundation that we can build upon'

If he wants trust he needs to publicly support (and MEAN IT) adding a real public option into the reconciliation bill thats supposedly going to run alongside the House approval for that ghastly Senate version.

However, so far I havent seen him make a statement like that, and without it theres every possibility that the concurrent reconciliation is just an empty ploy put out by the WH and the Congressional leadership to coerce the House into voting for a bill most of them oppose.

[subterranean]

8. Don't worry, he promised to "pursue" a public option

at some unspecified time in the future after the bill is passed. It's as good as a done deal! :sarcasm:

[salguine]

14. But even if he did make a statement like that, why would any sensible person believe it, given what

we've already seen of a) the history of bad bills being "fixed" after passing and b) Obama's history of following through on his pledges?

[krawhitham]

19. Same thing Canada did

Built around a flawed bill

[laughingliberal]

3. I don't trust that this bill will get fixed

If the President is sincere about making this a better bill for the American people (and I'm not sure if he is or not) I still don't trust the Senate to fix anything but our butts, as in 'they'll fix our little red wagons.'

[saracat]

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[saracat]

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[polichick]

5. "I still don't trust the Senate to fix anything but our butts"

Yep - the fix is in! :)

[saracat]

7. My , my,unreccing without debating WHY we should TRUST anyone on this! What a surprise.

Running away from them doesn't make the facts any less true. The facts indicate we have no reason to trust.
"No matter how much you believe, Tinkerbelle still dies"

[HughMoran]

11. Heard this flaming pile of shit logic a hundred times.

The bill will help millions and is a lot more than 'trust me' - only an uninformed idiot would focus on such peripheral bullshit.

[katandmoon]

9. No deal. To quote the Who: WON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN.

[asdjrocky]

10. They had the chance to really change things.

They had the chance to do something historical for the People, and they've throw it all away.

A sad K&R.

[Jamastiene]

12. Like that time we trusted him to elect him president?

As good as he is at persuading people, it looks like he could do it now, instead of pulling the rug out from under us then expecting us to trust him again.

[ProSense]

13. "essentially saying 'trust me'" Leave it to AP. Question

for those who want the bill killed: Which Democratic members of Congress are opposed to this bill?

Boxer, Feingold, Wyden and Leahy are among those up for re-election. Why aren't they running from this bill if it's so horrible?

The kill the bill contingency is blowing hot air. The fact is that this bill is an excellent foundation for health care reform.

[Lord Helmet]

17. Vacillating between Kill the Bill! and Too Chickenshit to Pass it! is hard work.

[bkozumplik]

24. because they'd be scapegoated for the whole mess

if they did.
Prosense, you're an ardent unswerving Obama supporter at all times, tell me why he made the pharma deals?

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[freddie mertz]

16. I will trust after I see real reform in writing, signed, and passed into law.

Not before.

"I never campaigned on....must include...they can't afford a house..." etc.

[denimgirly]

18. If i was new i would Honestly think Obama was a Republican

[ChairmanAgnostic]

20. Political courage? Where the heck was it 1 yr ago?

Why did he leave his top supporters in the house and senate hanging out to dry while the insurance industry fed lie after lie to a scared America? Why was he so silent then? That was not courage, that was a complete lack of leadership.

[mitchtv]

21. that'll be the day

I trust a weakling Dem

[LWolf]

22. Trust him? Hell will never be that cold. nt

[girl_interrupted]

23. Last time I trusted him

Was when it was suppose to be a credit card "reform" bill. Instead we got no caps & guns in National Parks, in the same bill. Bernie Sanders had an excellent credit card reform bill, which really would have helped consumers, without the guns, too. That got tossed by the wayside, for this pathetic joke called "reform".

So no, I'm not so trusting anymore.

[w4rma]

25. Not with his Goldman Sachs economic team, Rahm & his Secretary of Education still holding jobs. (nt)

[harun]

26. Got to say I don't blame the House Dem's for not trusting the Senate Dem's.