We liberal and progressive activists didn't come up with the

[mmonk]

public option. If you don't want us to get mad and want us to just go along with whatever is decided, tell the people you support to quit with the bait and switch routines and blaming us when we fight back.

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1. It was the compromise.. It was the thing campaigned on that everyone loved.

[mmonk]

3. That's how I saw it.

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2. Personally if it is true the bill will help people get health care.

even if it is a pay out to insurance companies, it still fulfills the function of helping people.

Then the money payout will be the rope to further the other ramifications.

After health package and reconciliation, it is possible that Democrats could push the public option getting added to exchange, while Republicans filibusterer, all the way up to the election.

As Republicans are running on repealing health care, Democrats could be showing who wants real reform and who does not in every primary and debate.

Along with making them filibuster real bank reform, and regulation, and anti trust legislation. But that assumes enough Democrats will stand up for societal interest.

[mmonk]

4. If Democrats have the backbone, then fine and you are right

about assuming that is the case. Of course, we have watched the Democrats battle themselves on all these reforms. It's like watching a drunk sometimes trying to cross a road and everytime the drunk looks like he or she steps forward a few paces, they suddenly stumble backwards a few. I doubt the numbers of party members will get better than they have been and that is what has been frustrating. I have no problem with recognizing the difficulties involved, I just think a proper approach is to be quiet when you don't have intentions to keep a steadfast position. Let it come from the people.

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5. Well they still might get to 50 on the public option for reconsiliation.

So the possibility of running on that makes sense. But as you say it would require the desire to have that program as legislation, and the backbone to make the Republicans filibuster popular legislation geared to help society.


I actually am not assuming that is the case, since it is dependent on other peoples choices, I only think that is one possible case. Others are PO getting into reconciliation, Medicare expansion being added, or some rollover type coarses.

I think we have some good people working hard on things, so I am optimistic, and it is not easy for them, they catch a lot of flak from some groups for working on good social reform. So I wont go as far as Moore does, but instead just hope, and think there are openings and possibilities that work out.

[mmonk]

6. Leadership requires requires breaking from status quo "solutions".

With the way big money controls the US political system, I think solutions will have to be forced on them as conditions continue to deteriorate or another bubble bursts. I just wish we had distinct ideas with alternatives that were possible here as in other western democracies. Deregulation, subsidizing Wall Street, tax cuts at the top, haven't delivered a better standard of living as was promised by those that advocate for such things.