Southern Baptist Ministers Lead Prayer For Obama's Death

[Tippy]

Several Southern Baptist Ministers across the nation are leading prayers in their congregations asking God to kill Obama and “leave his children fatherless.” They reference Psalm 109:8 as a biblical commandment for all Christians to pray for Obama’s quick death. John Avlon interviews two of the ministers and reports:

Praying for President Obama’s death has become a sick cottage industry for some evangelicals on the lunatic fringe. Bumper stickers, T-shirts, and teddy bears are sold with the wholesome-sounding slogan “Pray for Obama” but tagged with the more troublesome “Psalm 109:8”—which reads “May his days be few; may another take his place of leadership” followed by “May his children be fatherless and his wife a widow.”

In Wingnut circles, it’s known as the “Imprecatory Prayer.” Offered not just from select pulpits, but increasingly expressed through tweets and forwarded via email, this decidedly un-Christian Christian subculture has found its most enthusiastic advocates in a few Obama Derangement Syndrome-afflicted preachers—notably Orange County’s Wiley Drake and Arizona’s Steven L. Anderson.

Pastor Wiley Drake kicked off this Presidents’ Day Weekend with an email blast to his supporters saying “Imprecatory Prayer is now our DUTY” and announcing a daily teleconference call to advance the cause. Drake has been an enthusiastic advocate of imprecatory prayer since he announced that God answered his call with the murder of Kansas abortion clinic doctor George Tiller in church last May. “George Tiller was far greater in his atrocities than Adolf Hitler,” Drake said at the time, “so I am happy. I am glad that he is dead.” This emboldened him to add “the usurper that is in the White House … B. Hussein Obama” to the list said in his church on Sundays.

It is often reported that self-identification as a Christian is declining in America. Those in the republican “family values” right wing claim its because of the left wing waging a “War on Christianity and Christian Values”. Could it be that folks are really turning away from Christianity because of lunatics like these calling themselves Christians and giving the rest of us a bad name?

More at Link:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-02-14/praying-for-obamas-death/?cid=hp:beastoriginalsR1

[HughMoran]

1. These Christo-sadists at it again?

What would be do in this country without our American Taliban?

[Cha]

67. Yeah, they can't get enough of that bloodthirsty shit..

killing a Black Prez of the United States would be extra orgasmic.

Fuckers aren't Christians..they're devil worshippers but they can't go around calling themselves by their real name..now can they?

[Betty Karlson]

92. My guess is America would be God's own country again. N/T

[arthritisR_US]

2. rec'd because people need to see what kind of hate comes from "christian" leaders. n/t

[Perky]

8. .

Would you mind adjusting you subject lint to "'these Christian Leaders".. 99% of the Clergy does not agree with the nut case. That does not mean they support the President but it does not mean they are whackjons like this either. The implication of your subject,, suggest a larger broadbrush

[Bluenorthwest]

12. That 99% has failed at their role, rather than whine about that

what should happen is that the majority should speak up and out to end the definition of that faith by the alleged 1%.
The lesson of Saul holding the coats is the lesson of my homily today. 1% nuts, 99% silent coat holders. What good is that to St Stephen? Discuss.

[ClassWarrior]

13. Maybe if you'd attend a church, you'd hear them speaking "up and out."

:eyes:

NGU.

[Bluenorthwest]

15. And that light is under a basket, hidden from the world.

Which I think y'all were warned against as well. Again, if you have 1% out in the world being Army of God and such, and the rest hidden in church, expecting others to come to them, well, I say all the passionate involvement expressed by an ass in a pew is what they have. It means they do not care not only what is said about their neighbors but also they don't care what is said about their faith, by that 1%.
If 1% are throwing stones, and 99% are preaching to the choir, again, what good does this do for St Stephen? I offer that action and energy might be called for.

[ClassWarrior]

16. I love how windbags who never set foot in a church preach to churches about what...

...they do and don't do.

:rofl:

NGU.

[Bluenorthwest]

20. That is about as false a witness as can be born

And it includes personal insults to a person who is discussing your own faith from the basis of your own scriptures.
You want to speak about what is said in church, I am talking about what is done outside the church, in the community.
And I'm just asking some questions. Offering ideas. You too could have asked a question instead of shouting assumptions from a high horse.
What did Jesus say about those who proclaim their faith in public, while criticizing others? Anything? I mean, I know, but do you?

[ClassWarrior]

23. And I'm saying you have no idea what "that 99%" -- to use your formulation -- are doing...

...inside or outside the church, in the community, because you haven't bothered to learn for yourself.

And save your faux piety, please. Shouting assumptions?? Kettle, meet pot.

NGU.

[Bluenorthwest]

26. The 99% figure comes from Perky. It is not my 'formulation'

as you state. What is with that? Perky used that figure, I used it in response. You say it is 'my formulation' as part of your personal attack on me. That is not truthful. Reading the thread will show anyone that fact. You are just telling lies, or you did not bother to read before lambasting and making yes, baseless, false assumptions. You also called me a windbag. While 'inviting' me to church.
I don't have any piety. I'm a liberal, gay, pot smoking heathen, proud to have nothing to do with the apostate church.
Each post you make contains a false assumption or flat out lie on your part. Perky said 99%. Not me. I'd consider that as well if I were you. It is just not right. I'm not going to engage further with you, because you are making things up out of whole cloth. Putting words into my mouth because you can not respond to what I actually say. You and your friend are playing cheap, bully games. Perky said that, then you claim I did. You should post an apology. Telling lies and calling names. To defend your faith. You prove my point far better than I could.

[ClassWarrior]

28. It was Perky's formulation. My bad. What about the substance of my post?

:shrug:

NGU.

[Bluenorthwest]

34. There was no substance to your post. It was just a personal

attack and a pile of false assumptions. You judging me based on untruthful presumptions. There is no substance to accusations and name calling. You called me a wind bag. You claim to know things about me that as a stranger you have no way of knowing, yet you state them as facts. You don't ask, you tell. You are not responding to any of my direct questions, any of my substance at all. And I have treated you with full respect while you have called me names and put words into my mouth.
So you guys post complex personal attacks that are fully made up and false, and when called out, you do not apologize you say 'my bad'? Nice.
This is why your community is so well loved in the world, and you all have to keep shouting about broad brushes.
I've been really kind to you here today. I could have really gone off. I'd offer that you, as one who so values your church life, should by all means share this tread with your minister, and see what he or she has to say about the both of us.

[liberation]

44. Dude, when you have some invisible being up in the skies telling them they are right...

... why would they need ridiculous things like facts and intellectually honest arguments. Pzzzzzt.... It is what it is, because otherwise it wouldn't be what it is. Which proves that is that. Ergo they are correct and you are wrong.

My opinion is that if the religious types spent as much energy neutralizing extremism among their ranks, as they seem to waste trying to address those outside their faith who are simply pointing out those elements of extremism... I am certain that we would have a much better world for it.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

129. +1

Well said! Inspiring rebuttal to a bully. :thumbsup:

[Perky]

18. here ya go

http://blog.au.org/2007/08/17/drake-denounced-huckabee-campaign-slams-california-pastors-evil-comments/
http://www.abpnews.com/content/view/4131/53/
http://religion.blogs.theledger.com/10048/wiley-drake-crosses-the-line/

[Tippy]

38. There are a lot of good ministers and people

these belivers have something that is lacking in those who are Preaching hate...It's called common sense

[Bettie]

99. I'm glad to see a few speaking up against him

Now to have the SBC kick his sorry ass out, but that will never happen, the folks who run that organization are true wingnuts.

[panzerfaust]

111. Recall Southern Baptist (or ? Lutherian) preacher who participated in an ecumenical prayer after 911

... and who was then immediately criticized, and disciplined, by the church leadership for promoting false unity with unbelievers (or infidels, just cannot keep straight which is which) as he had participated in an inter-faith (Jewish, Muslim, RC, MS Prots, and Nutter Prots) prayer in the immediate aftermath of the attack on NYC.

I think he was praying for world peace and understanding between peoples.

Clearly, God had wax in His ears that day. Hopefully, as these Baptist's hate-inspired pleas to His Savage and Jealous Self drift up to Heaven, they will also not be heard.

Amen!

NB: Very possibly "Amen" is an invocation of the ancient Egyptian God of air, breath, and life of that name - who mostly hung out around Thebes (the one up the Nile, not the one in Greece), which is why I am so enthusiastic in saying "Amen" at the conclusion of the many prayers common to gatherings here in Texas.

[Bettie]

123. Wisconsin Synod Lutherans aren't allowed to pray with anyone who is not them

My DH's family are all WI Synod Lutherans.

At my FIL's brother's funeral (he was baptized in their home town church, but had moved out of state and joined and ECLA church) the minister would not speak because Kelvin was the "wrong" kind of Lutheran.

Whenever we go to that church (to make MIL happy), we hear the preacher railing against the evils of feminism, secular life, and anything that doesn't involve suffering and giving money to the church.

Most religion is just a big front for making money and hate, it seems, sells these days.

I keep telling DH, it is easy to be super religious or a republican because someone always tells you what you believe, you never have to think.

[Perky]

14. Utter conjecture on your part.

How can you be sure that the other other 99% are holding the coats of these idiots?

[Bluenorthwest]

17. I see on DU all the time that there is a deep need

among people of faith to whine about how they are seen by others. Broad brush. And all of that. And to be all 'let your yes be yes about it' I offered up a question, not a conjecture. I offer that the faith community might do well to consider the actions that they might take, to consider just how it came to pass that the crazies define the rest. This is not an accusation, it is a suggestion.
Personally, I do not feel that the mainstream has been nearly vocal enough about the extremes. I think there is much that could be done. I think some are attempting to do that. Frank Schaeffer is one.
In the Bible there is the story of Saul standing idle as others murdered Stephen. It is all about standing idle, about not taking action in the face of great wrongs. All I am saying, is that Christians are always quoting Paul, claiming that his words mean I should not have rights, so Paul is respected in that world. And he had some very specific thoughts on the subject that I think apply to today's ego filled 'faith community'. Or are the teachings of Paul only applicable to gay people now?
I say practice the faith, study, and meditate upon the story of Stephen's murder, and Saul's inaction. Not sure why that is such a terrible suggestion to make, meditate on your own scriptures.
One hint. Paul did not look to excuse his inaction, nor did he demand that the Samaritans should have done it for him, nor does he suggest that later, in private, he did much better.
If one can not study one's own faith with an eye to doing good in the world, what is the point of having one?
Saul, Stephen, stones. I just say there might be a lesson there. Or not.

[ClassWarrior]

19. Now I offer up a question, not a conjecture. I offer that YOU might do well to consider...

...just how it came to pass that you have fallen victim to the RW-leaning, dominant Corporate Media narrative, letting the crazies define the rest in your own mind, instead of actually walking into a church or two and finding out for yourself?

:shrug:

NGU.

[Perky]

22. And People are protest these idiots outside of their own pews

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20090908/-i-hate-obama-pastor-draws-protestors-outside-church/index.html

[Bluenorthwest]

24. You make huge false assumptions

I've been to more churches, in more states, countries and territories than most. But this is all about the speck in my eye, so let me tell you clearly that I have a wide range of friends and family who are lovely church going people, I know some of the nation's most famous minsters personally, and all I am suggesting is that rather than complain about being misunderstood, many of them are learning that by communicating more clearly and with more intention, they can in fact be better understood.
Some basic principles I see missing here are those of simply looking to yourself. You want me to be underexposed to religion, or too plugged in to the media, and you do not want me to be who I am, a lifelong student of your faith and others, a pilgrim, a man who has spoken from more pulpits than most well ever see.
The faith is not that way defined in my mind, sport. My point is that I see many of that faith with concerns that they are defined that way, and I am saying that contained in that faith itself are lessons and teachings that could help those who are concerned with the public perceptions of their faith. A concern I take as sincere, and as often voiced. I think there are proactive methods to address those concerns, taught by Jesus and the stories of that faith. I think following some of those might lead to better understanding.
I will note that I have not said a single word against a single person, not one accusation, nothing. You, on the other hand, have defined me with full improvisation, without a question, and without responding to any of my questions or points. I will in closing suggest that if this is what you do to others, no wonder you are afraid they will do it back to you.
You say I am this and that. I say we should discuss St Paul and the death of Stephen and how that might apply to today.

[donco6]

113. I worked in a church for 8 years. I agree with BlueNW. n/t

[Perky]

21. The notion that people of faith are not disgusted and speaking out about these idiots

is laughable.

You seem to be demanding a public denunciation so that the world might see our outrage. That is the equivalent of asking us to pray on the street corner. Were I a leader in that particular community I assure you I for one would be using the appropriate scriptural remedies for this type of issue particularly those found in Matthew 18.


However, I am not inclined to make him into a martyr and give him a greater platform to spew his garbage.

[Bluenorthwest]

25. I never said that some are not

I have even named some who are. All I am saying, is that there might be more work to be done. In terms of Phelps and Co, it took long years to get people out of the pews, but they are slowly doing so, and I thank them when they do. In many cases, I had castigated them when they did not, and by that I mean I have been involved in these issues for a long time. When the people do get out of those pews, that is something I have worked for. Because it is what they need, for their own health. For the sake of the faith, there are actions they need to take, some are starting to, some always have.
My first allies in the AIDS fight were ministers and choir directors. Gospel stars. They in fact showed me how to be useful to them, in that work, for my community and their own.
I am not demanding anything. I am suggesting that allowing one's own truth to be heard might feel good, relieve the stress of being mistaken for a Fundy. I said nothing about a 'public denunciation' nor did I assume that passive people have any outrage at all. Putting words into other people's mouths, well, that is what you fear I am doing. I speak, but you replace that with things you think I 'seem to be saying'. How about sticking to what I really said? How about yes is yes, no is no?
I am asking and have asked nothing but that meditation on some of your own scriptures might lead to a better understanding of things that could be done by each individual in their own way, to display the inclusive fruits of their faith. Paul wished he'd done more. So perhaps we have only done enough when we have stopped the harm?
I'm trying to discuss this, not accuse. The accusations and demands seem to be coming from the other direction. I'm just saying. Saul, stones, Stephen. What's to learn?

[Perky]

27. What part of the Matt 18 text am I to put aside?

[Bluenorthwest]

31. Look, I am not telling you what you are to do.

I asked a question. I have been called names, judged not by what I am saying but what you think I 'seem to be saying'. This is going no place. You can read what I have written. Read what you and the name caller have written. Think about it. I simply offered that anytime we are part of a dynamic, we can alter that dynamic ourselves, or be passive. If the dynamic leads to misunderstanding, and that bothers you, alter the dynamic.
Jesus told his followers that they would be mocked, misunderstood and persecuted for their faith, and he said to rejoice in that. How that came to mean looking for offense or fearing that others think all Christians are Fred Phelps, I am not sure. I'm just saying that if you have a practice, practice it. I'm saying that which we fail to do can later cause us sorrow, as the story of Paul and the coats teaches.
What 'you are to put aside' is not for me to say. I just offered the idea that being proactive is better than blaming other people. It is a Biblical principle. Thought it might get discussed. Instead I got called a windbag and words were put in to my mouth. Just good luck to you both. The best of all things. Peace go with you.

[Tippy]

41. How would you feel if someone after hearing these Hate Ministers

Goes out and kills President Obama? I don't want to make him a martyer or give him a bigger platform. I would like to see some of his persioners stop him before he or some one listening to his garbage kill's someone.

[Tippy]

39. Thank you Bluenorthwest, may I quote you?

"If one can not study one's own faith with an eye to doing good in the world, what is the point of having one?"

[Tippy]

36. I think fear keeps some from speaking out

Fear the Minister will publicaly embarrase them or that fellow church member will chastise them. but when push comes to shove they should be thinking about answering to God.

[truth2power]

66. That's why the word "christian" is in quotes..

Just sayin'...

[arthritisR_US]

68. ty :-) n/t

[Name removed]

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[saltpoint]

3. If somebody was interested in becoming a Christian, I figure that's their

decision, but I would hope in that case they'd use the Francis of Assisi model and not the Jimmy Swaggart or Jerry Falwell or Jim Dobson models.

[panzerfaust]

105. Francis of Assisi, one of the few Catholic Saints worth a tinker's dam

He was not just a recycled, renamed pagan god or goddess as many were. He apparently did lead an exemplary mendicant and caring life, in keeping with the best of the purported teachings of Jesus.

Indeed, as he was wandering about with his dripping stigmata, he was felt by many at the time to be the long-awaited (which the Apostles had expected in their lifetimes - now well over a millennium past) Second Coming of Christ as foretold by the Messianic prophecy. This thus excited much millennial unrest, as did his visions (he may have been schizophrenic - though against that is his apparent ability to empathize, at least with animals).

Of course, later the Holy Roman Church persecuted his order for clinging to their vows of poverty (Poppy John 22 I think) which certainly were not in accord with the example, practice, or desires of the Holy Mother Church.

Sadly, the Franciscan "Grey Friars" were also instrumental in the subjugation of the native population in the New World, along with the deliberate destruction of native cultures and beliefs.

My very favorite Saint is Saint Christopher ("The Christ Bearer"). I even wore a St. Christopher's medal in combat - though not a Catholic - as it was given to me by a man who was essentially a grandfather to me. I still have that treasure - along with the treasure of his memory - with me today.

Sad was I when I learned that St. Chris had been laid off.

[saltpoint]

136. panzerfaust, all I can say to your post is

Hells Bells -- you've put up a winner. What you just posted there is deserving of its own thread.

Beautiful point on Francis authentic life.

And we are in fierce accord on Saint Christopher. I love the narrative that goes with it in your life -- the like-a-grandfather person who gave it to you -- and your dedication to its power to invoke his memory. Very nice work indeed.

[Arkana]

4. Why these hate-filled monsters are allowed to do this

without being arrested is beyond me.

[ensho]

5. why isn't the FBI dealing with these people? why?

nt

[Zoeisright]

11. I report them to the FBI and Secret Service and then send a 'nice' email

telling those Nazis to 'enjoy' the visit.

[tabbycat31]

40. I saw one on a car the other day

if I had a passenger with me, I would have had the passenger taken a picture (with the plate #) and sent it to the FBI. However, photography and driving do not mix well for me.

[peacebird]

6. Has the secret service been notified? Because it isn't god who answers that prayer

it's another Scott Roeder, or Tim McVeigh... or one of the Army of God types

[frogmarch]

130. You are right!

It's the first thing I thought of when I read about the prayer. Some nutcase will try to answer it.

[ClassWarrior]

7. This article is a month old. Are they up to something again, or are you just reminding us?

And why, I wonder, does the author have a picture of Olbermann, along with Beck and Palin, on his book called "Wingnuts?" :crazy:

NGU.

[Tippy]

42. The hate talk never stops,,,Fox promotes it daily..

We have several in congress who are pushing hate. I hope and pray all the lies they have told will come back to bite them some day..

[Chakab]

87. I was hoping that someone else

noticed the advertisement for Avalon's book. I'm sorry, but I can't take people who promote that type of false equivalency seriously. Comparing Olbermann to Palin and Beck with a straight face is about as ridiculous as it gets.

[no_hypocrisy]

9. I didn't think they'd prefer Joe Biden as president.

What ghoulish wishes.

[Ikonoklast]

30. *cough* Any white guy *cough*.

Just ignorant redneck racists doing what they do best...hating non-whites, and hiding behind their religion.

[StopTheNeoCons]

10. If I see this anywhere, I will tell the displayer "FBI will be notified"

That'll get their attention

[ladywnch]

29. someone is going to have to explain to me

how any of this is protected under free speech or freedom of religion. Praying for death of anyone let alone a sitting president hardly seems like it is protected speech. if anything it sounds more like sedition, treason and promoting anarchy.

would having folks gathering outside the churches praying for the deaths of these pastors have any impact?....sicne they believe in all this hocus pocus of praying maybe it will work like voodoo and they'll eventually just kiel over from being 'prayed to death'.

[COLGATE4]

32. It is covered by the First Amendment's freedom of speech clause.

To be actionable,language must tend to incite immediate violence. This is a very high standard to meet and, in practicality, almost impossible expect after the fact. But until they cross the line (and you can be very sure that they have their stable of attorneys advising them just where it is) their speech, however hateful is still protected by the Constitution. Unfortunately, there's no prohibition against being assholes in our system of government.

[blublu]

33. I'm 100% with you on this.

[arcane1]

48. "folks gathering outside the churches praying for the deaths of these pastors"

Is a fucking awesome idea!

[Tippy]

35. I don't believe anyone who reads this attributes these actions to

All Southern Baptist Ministers...Just as not everyone attending these churches agrees with what the Ministers have to say...But my question is where are all the people who disagree with these Ministers? If it were me I would be hard put to keep my mouth shut but I would would walk out. If no one says anything that is all they need to continue....Where are the Southern Baptist Leaders, Are they willing participants, I am beginning to think they might be. The article below says it much better then I......I am also sorry for not getting back to this sooner, I was busy trying to gather info. on a candidate who is running for Congress...More on that later.

Citizen's Voice: When ministers preach death threats
Thomas H. Kevil

During the past few weeks, I have read several articles about ministers who have prayed during church services for President Barack Obama's death. They also told their congregations that it would not be a crime or a sin if someone killed the president.

One minister has a church in Arizona; the second has a church in California and is a former executive with the Baptist denomination.

The really sad part is that many of their congregations support the ministers, and there has been no public condemnation or censure or by the denomination.

Do Baptists condone this type hatred being preached from the pulpit, and why haven't these ministers been told to shut up or leave the church?

Last month, when President Obama was giving a speech in Phoenix, Ariz., three men were seen outside with firearms, and one of them had an assault rifle.

The man with the assault rifle was a member of the Baptist Church where the minister prayed for Obama's death and said killing him wouldn't be a sin or a crime.

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/oct/10/when-ministers-preach-death-threats/

[Tippy]

47. President Obama death threat

NEW ORLEANS — A New Orleans man has been arrested and charged with threatening to kill President Barack Obama.

In a court filing Monday, a Secret Service agent said 47-year-old John Turnpaugh dialed 911 early last Friday and told a police dispatcher that he planned to kill the president and first lady Michelle Obama.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/04/john-turnpaugh-obama-deat_n_411172.html

[jmowreader]

102. I'm going to beat up on you just a little. Don't worry, it won't leave bruises.

From your post, which was quite good: "Just as not everyone attending these churches agrees with what the Ministers have to say..."

When it came out that President Obama's pastor Jeremiah Wright was up on the pulpit saying "God damn America" and some of the other crazy-sounding shit he said, some of which was actually true, fuckers like Hannity and Beck were REAL quick to claim Obama was 100 percent on board with Wright's whole program because he hadn't abandoned the church. So all I can say is, if these people are sitting in church listening to their ministers talk about wanting someone to kill the president, and they're not walking out the door in the middle of the service, cancelling their memberships and joining other Southern Baptist congregations (or other denominations of Baptist, or even other compatible Christian faiths) where the ministers aren't up there preaching that shooting the president wouldn't be a sin, they must be completely on board with this.

[Tippy]

106. In some cases fear is the problem.

Some may feel they will be completely ostracized by the Church Family. I had an interesting thing happen at my Church shortly after we moved here..I had a bumper sticker on my car promoting a candidate...One Sunday morning I found a note on my car. Saying something to the effect I would certainly go to hell over the Abortion issue. Of course the note was not signed, but it didn't take long to figure out who put it there. later that same year there was a Right to Life March in our town. Since that time I have written many letters to the editor on the issue. I never said a word directly to these people but they got my message. I don't and never have believed in abortion, but I do believe in a womans right to choose. For these people the issue was cut and dried, for me, I looked at the broader issue, and they saw that and tone down the rhetoric. At a later point I organized a Children's Choir, guess who's children were the first to sign up? Boy did I get off topic or what. But my point is fear does strange things ot people.

[MadMaddie]

37. When do these groups get targeted as Terrorists?

This is the same death speech coming from Al Queda. There is NO difference between them.

[Fire1]

43. This is what gives Christianity a bad name. n/t

[Roland99]

75. It had a bad name the day the Church of Rome was formed.

[Quantess]

45. How is that different than a voodoo ritual

to place a curse upon someone?

[mitchum]

46. Those motherfuckers were not held under the water long enough

[stlsaxman]

104. lol it just occured to me from your post- Baptism Is Waterboarding!

Hold me under water long enough and I'll scream from the rooftops- "I BELIEVE! I BELIEVE!!!"

:rofl:

[Tippy]

108. Many times babies being Baptized probably feel that way...LOL

[glinda]

49. Isn't this a threat to our Government and shouldn't these scary asses be arrested?

[Tippy]

109. But there are so many....besides that would then say

Obama is persecuting Christians..he is not nor would he ever, but can you imagine what FOX would have to say...

[glinda]

134. who cares which Group it is. Threats, planning, instructing and encouraging murder

are crimes.

[penndragon69]

50. the christian JIHAD

in America is coming fast.

Lock-n-Load and aim for their faith.

[pundaint]

51. These Christians could learn from Wicca. You can cast a spell but the energy will be visited on you

many times over.

[meowomon]

86. They have this "reap what you sow" thing

Only they think they are sowing only good things. Go figure.

[old mark]

52. rec. "christians" doing what they do best - hating others. nt

[JoePhilly]

53. May God reach out and "touch" these ass holes ... call them home, if you will.

[Bette Noir]

54. Funny thing: When I was a kid, growing up in a Christian church,

every Sunday we prayed for the life and health of the president. This went on, in my time in this church, from Kennedy, to Johnson, Nixon, Ford, and Carter before I left. I assume they prayed for the life and health of Reagan, Bush, etc., after I left. It was considered just the Christian thing to do, to wish blessings on the chief executive, no matter who he was.

Something has sure changed.

[1776Forever]

55. For anyone that drives through the South it doesn't surprise me at all - Just turn your AM radio on!

I couldn't believe it the first time I heard these so called "preachers" railing about getting "rid" of those in charge. They spew hatred! It is scary, really scary!:scared:

[mwb970]

93. The South is a foreign country as far as I am concerned.

The majority of the citizens down there appear to hate 21st-century America and everything it stands for. Apparently their goal is to overthrow the government and create some kind of Taliban-driven Iranian-style America with fundamentalist religious nuts in charge of everything. To me, this makes them enemies of my country. Tell me, am I wrong? I sure hope so!

Didn't we once call this kind of thing "treason"? Or has that concept, like the Geneva Convention, been rendered "quaint" by the lethal conservative domination of our political discourse?

[Tsiyu]

103. I'm pretty sure the Preachers in the story were from California and Arizona

I was not aware that these states were in the "South."


Learn something new every day here!

[1776Forever]

107. From wikipedia: Drake grew up in Magnolia, Arkansas / Steven L Anderson has no bio with birthplace

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiley_Drake

Wiley S. Drake is a California-based Southern Baptist minister and radio host. He was the vice-presidential candidate for the America's Independent Party ticket in 2008<1>, and the second vice president of the Southern Baptist Convention in 2006-2007.<2> Drake has drawn controversy for his use of imprecatory prayer. He is the pastor of the First Southern Baptist Church of Buena Park in Buena Park, California.

Drake grew up in Magnolia, Arkansas. He spent much of his time with his grandfather, Hamp Smead Beasley, a horse trader who took him to revival meetings.<3> After winning a rodeo purse at fourteen, he joined the rodeo circuit. He joined the navy at seventeen and served on the USS Kitty Hawk.<3> He served as Second Vice President of the Southern Baptist Convention.

............

It isn't to say that these wing-nuts come just from the South but I have had personal experience when I drove through that area from N. Carolina down through Georgia to hear a lot of these preachers going off with hate filled messages from the AM Radio stations in that area. I had never heard that kind of "preaching" before and it astounded me as to what I heard!

[Tsiyu]

117. Well, the guy's in California now

so there must be a need for that shit out in the "enlightened" West as well.

I assure you that we are not all Southern baptists down here, many Southerners voted for Obama, and are Pagan, Jewish, Athiest. I live here and hang out with people - of all faiths and mostly liberal - which is far more fun and "enlightening" than just "driving through."

Fundamentalist Fascism is a nationwide phenomenon.

[1776Forever]

121. I did NOT say that! I said I had heard some radical preachers on the AM dial in the South!

Don't make it into something I did NOT say OK?

[Tsiyu]

135. Chill out

I provided a general assurance not aimed at you or anyone, though I was responding to your post.

These threads often turn into South-bashing parties. Fun for some, but not especially helpful. If some Americans believe all of the racists are conveniently burrowed down in Dixie, they might grow complacent about the racist goons in their own neighborhoods.

Just received the Spring 2010 "Intelligence Report." It's the "Year in Hate" Edition.

The maps are great. Tennessee has 37 active hate groups. Kentucky has 10. Other Southern states have between 24 (Arkansas) and 51 (Florida). California has 60, Texas has 65. New Jersey has 44.

Hate is as American as High Fructose Corn Syrup. It's everywhere.

[Blue Owl]

56. So it's official -- they're pro-death

n/t

[Tippy]

112. Good Point...Blue Owl...They sure can't be pro-life...It's a dam shame

we are even having this discussion..For this they will one day answer to their maker. But that will not help President Obama if some nut case goes after him.

[Jakes Progress]

57. In their religion, that means they are going to hell. nt

[Peacetrain]

58. Well going to be quite toasty where those fellas are headed..NT

[BlueIdaho]

59. Oh yeah?

Well my God can beat up their god - and she's REALLY pissed off at these knuckleheads!

[Deep13]

60. A conspiracy to commit attempted murder.

Unless prayer really works, then it is conspiracy to murder.

An attempted murder is when one takes a "substantial step" toward the commission of a murder with specific intent to cause the death of another, but fails. If prayer works, that is a substantial step. The only way this is not attempted murder is if we admit that prayer does not work.

[SemperEadem]

61. there's an extra hot place in hell waiting for them

[baldguy]

62. The war against Christianity is being led by people who call themselves Christians.

[depakid]

63. If the unspeakable ever happened, it would be the worst thing possible for the howling wingnuts

The backlash would be nasty, immediate and lasting.

Lacking any sense of irony- they don't seem to get that Obama coddles and panders to them- whereas any successors along the vast majority of the nation would turn on them like a nest of angry hornets.

[BreweryYardRat]

74. Mmm-hmm.

If anything happens to the President, this country will be lit by burning fundamentalist churches decorated with the severed heads of their hate-mongering preachers.

[rpannier]

80. What I find interesting, amusing and disconcerting about these groups are

how little they learned from history -- especially post-Civil War

The worst thing that happened to the South was Lincoln's assassination. Lincoln was fairly conciliatory after the war was over. His goal was to try and reunite the nation.
His death turned power over to people who had their own agenda and revenge was at the top of the list.
Once Andrew Johnson was gone and Grant was President the real push toward extracting revenge on the traitors swung into full.

If they were responsible for President Obama's death, it would completely marginalize them.
Fence sitters would (for the most part) flock toward the New Administration.
And the fury from his supporters both in government and around the country would (I would like to think) be similar to the actions Seward, Chase, Cameron and Bates took after Lincoln's death

[stopbush]

64. People are deserting Xianity because they've wised up and realize that all talk of gods is BS.

People are being forced to deal with reality, and the empty promises and fantastic myths of religion have never been more outdated than now. There's no other enterprise in the world that wears its falsehoods more blatantly than religion. It doesn't deserve to be considered on the same plane as serious human endeavors.

What's left are the moderates who view religion as a social structure and the stupid who take a literal view of the pathetically ignorant texts. But they're dying out. It will just take a little longer in this country because we're still a young country compared to the rest of the civilized world, but we'll get there.

[Arugula Latte]

126. Don't hold your breath for this silliness to die out. 'Murikins LOVE irrational thought

It's so much easier for them to just to swallow the nonsense and the mythology than actually use their brains and think for themselves, or question the absolute ridiculousness of the beliefs. (Oh, but it's their "faith" so they should be immune from criticism! :eyes: )

[McCamy Taylor]

65. How is this different from radical muslims telling the faithful to kill?

Answer, it isn't. I hope th Secret Service is all over the ministers.

[DesertFlower]

69. apparently they don't know what karma is. nt

[Gore1FL]

70. If they read 109:1-7...

They would realize that David is saying that what his enemies are saying about him.

If they are actually doing this, perhaps someone should point out that they need to read the whole thing.

[Gore1FL]

71. Here is 1-7:

1 O God, whom I praise,
do not remain silent,

2 for wicked and deceitful men
have opened their mouths against me;
they have spoken against me with lying tongues.

3 With words of hatred they surround me;
they attack me without cause.

4 In return for my friendship they accuse me,
but I am a man of prayer.

5 They repay me evil for good,
and hatred for my friendship.

6 Appoint an evil man to oppose him;
let an accuser stand at his right hand.

7 When he is tried, let him be found guilty,
and may his prayers condemn him.

[Tippy]

114. Thanks for posing this....n/t

[Divine Discontent]

79. thank you. GOD bless!

[ThomThom]

72. When churches become political they should lose their tax exempt

status.

[kiranon]

73. Amen to that. No way these churches can claim to be Christian.

[w4rma]

76. Secret Service + IRS. Now. (nt)

[Odin2005]

77. Sic the Feds on 'em!

[Divine Discontent]

78. I have a youtube video up about that sick menace (Anderson) and his horrible commentary about the

president. How they get away with such vile contempt and hatred against the leader of the free world is beyond me.



They are praying to the devil!!!! Not to Jesus.....

[earcandle]

81. Doesn't this more or less prove that the Bible is EVIL? The Golden Rule would never wish this on

anyone.  I am all for principles over religion any day.

[AzNick]

82. I pay for their dick to fall

[Stand and Fight]

83. Kicked and recommended.

These cockroaches need to be exposed to the harsh light of day so that all the world might know of their dangerous insanity.

Edit to add:
How long before one of their followers believes that they have been called by "God" to be the instrument that "smites" Obama? This is insidious. Disgusting. As a Christian, I cannot say how saddened I am that people who call themselves Christians would not get up and leave this "church".

[Writer]

84. ... Then a giant pipe organ falls on them and they die.

The End.

[tavalon]

85. I grew up in the Southern Baptist Church

Thank the Gods, I got better. Good riddance to bad rubbish as my insightful grandmother use to say.

[FrenchieCat]

88. If this keeps up, one day soon something will happen,

And then many will be boo-hooing.....
all the while they were attacking every single thing Pres. Obama did and said,
and on the other hand feigning concern with this kind of shit.

[Hubert Flottz]

89. "Christian Values”

What ever happened to the "Golden Rule"?

[Tippy]

118. Hubert..."Golden Rule " long gone...

The people responsible for all the HATE, now believe it is their God given right...How screwed up they are....the devil himself lives in their soul.

[Hubert Flottz]

127. They are being mis-led by false prophets.

The "Believers" really are sheep and people like the Hate Preachers are the wolves.

The Bible warns about that kind of preacher. Money and power over the willing sheep is their supreme motivation.

Preachers should be drug tested and pass a mental exam too, IMHO. I think the Devil might have slipped several bat shit crazy preachers into God's houses across the land! I feel safer at the bar.

[Tippy]

128. Lying must be the "IN" thing, these days n/t

[Hubert Flottz]

131. Karl and George the Terrible stopped calling it "Lying"

The PC way to say Lying now is, "Creating Our Own Reality"

The preachers are creating their own "reality". They think God won't know any better...

[Tippy]

132. But we know better...

A lie by and other name is still "A LIE"

[Tanelorn]

90. Is there no law against this sort of treasonous talk in your country?

[Tippy]

119. There was until President Obama was elected n/t

[mwb970]

91. Fortunately, you cannot petition the Lord with prayer.

Just don't tell the wackos.

[AsahinaKimi]

94. These people must be bored...

They have nothing better to do? Why don't they put some of those Christian Values to work and go out and feed the hungry or would that be asking too much?

[LiberalFighter]

95. This was brought up last month around the time of President's Day

Article is even dated 2/14/2010

[Tippy]

120. Yes it was and I reposted this as a reminder because of this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=433&topic_id=210938&mesg_id=211553

[KG]

96. pah! silly xians!

[Vinca]

97. It's kind of a shame I'm an atheist.

Otherwise, I might pray for their demise.

[winston61]

98. My imaginary friend can beat up your imaginary friend-

Isn't that what right wing loony religion is all about? I'm not dogging religion, just those loons who tell us they have an in with whatever they imagine god to be. Praying for someone's death. Jesus would puke.

[Love Bug]

100. Whatever happened to "Love your enemies"?

Once again, so-called "Christians" go to the Old Testament, completely ignoring any guidelines given by the Christ they claim to follow. I'll bet they're dispensationalists, too. Hypocrites.

[rasputin1952]

101. These clowns don't even know how to...

love their allies and friends...it's all about hate and going to hell...

[Tippy]

124. But they do not believe this they feel they have been chosen

to save us, from Obama and ourselves. Hate changes man for the worse to be sure, they think by posting the Ten Commandments is Gov buildings, as they are doing,all will be right with the world. Future generations will not be taught American History as we learned it, am talking about the Texas School Board here, who is rewriting history books to prove this is a Christian Naiton.

[William769]

110. As many here know, I do not like President Obama

But this is just wrong! Also I sure would like to know what God they pray to, as a Christian the God I worship is a all loving God.

And just last night I just happen to watch Death of a President (it's about pResident Bush being assassinated), I also thought that was wrong.

I have also been a life long proponent of the death penalty, but after the last several years my mind is changing on how I feel about the death penalty.

Leviticus 19

19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am the LORD.

[eagertolearn]

115. All in the name of GOD!

[whirlygigspin]

122. download/copy and send these along to all your friends & neighbors

Department of the Treasury — Internal Revenue Service
Tax-Exempt Organization Complaint (Referral) Form

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f13909.pdf


These people are monsters, to wish someone dead for any reason is just plain evil, I cannot even imagine wishing it for your own President.

[zulchzulu]

116. FBI vans in the church parking lots...

That's what I'm seein', Lawdie Jeezus!

[Tippy]

125. If that is what it takes..so be it.

If this thread opens just on person's eye's it is very much worth it. We must all remain viligent.

[Sheepshank]

133. Gives death "panels" a whole new meaning

So I'm wondering, if God doesn't kill off Obama, will it because Obama has stronger JuJu? Will it be because the preachers are lying, and unchristian-like and asking God to actually invervene in the Death of someone...wouldn't that be sort of against his own 10 Commandments or wouldn't that be God enabling people to kill, contrary to his 10 Commandments? Will those constituents leave their church and their preacher for preaching false doctrine of Obama doesn't die? Will they realize their preacher doesn't have a direct line and a connection to God? Will one of them be whacked enough to try and carry out a death penalty in the name of God? I just can't see any of this death prayer stuff (giving death panels a whole new meaning lol) being a good thing...even if they were praying for the death of Manson, Cheney, or Ahmandinejad.

[Barbara2423]

137. They better hope it doesn't happen to them first.